GH15: why incline smith over incline DB?

[theworm]

seems like include dumbells give you much more of a contration and stretch and seems like a better overall mass builder than the smith machine.  Jay seems to love the incline DB and has a decent chest, etc.

just curious as to what makes the incline smith the best as opposed to other exercises?   

[apply85]

When I do incline smith, my chest and shoulders look much more pumped for the rest of the day than if I do dumb bell presses. Maybe is helps to isolate more?

[BayGBM]

Safer.  Much less risk of injury.

[theworm]

Safer.  Much less risk of injury.

thats all?

[Papper]

DB must offer a greater range of motion and isolate each arm for symmetric developement. On paper DB should be better.

[Meso_z]

oh brother

[wes]

I like them both.

Here`s my tip of the day for added upper pec growth:

When doing Smith Inclines,do a full rep,followed by a half rep...........this counts as one rep.

Try a 4-5 sets of 6-12 reps,on a 20-30 degree incline,no higher,and thank me later!  

[Straw Man]

I like them both.

Here`s my tip of the day for added upper pec growth:

When doing Smith Inclines,do a full rep,followed by a half rep...........this counts as one rep.

Try a 4-5 sets of 6-12 reps,and thank me later! 

half rep at bottom or top of the movement ?

[wes]

Top...........sorry `bout that! 

[g101]

oh brother

 

[Grape Ape]

Safer.  Much less risk of injury.

On the smith?  I think there's more risk of injury on that stupid thing than most machines in the gym.

[g101]

it's all about the drugs and use any exercise that you feel working the most (for resistance) and that's the whole secret of bodybuilding ..

[theworm]

it's all about the drugs and use any exercise that you feel working the most (for resistance) and that's the whole secret of bodybuilding ..

that may be true, but i am drug free at the moment and want to improve my chest as much as possible, so i am looking for the most effective exercises.

i used to do a lot of flat benches, but in the past 4-5 months, i dropped the bench and have been doing a lot of dumbells.  i used to do 6 reps, but i also dropped the weight and hit 10-12 reps, and feel like this has help a lot.  its easy to drop the weight, but hard to drop the ego.

[Coach is Back!]

Safer.  Much less risk of injury.

Disagree, causes too much stability in the shoulders plus if you get pinned you have no where to go. DB's allow more instability that in turn causes stability which makes stabilizers stronger to handle the load. Plus you can't get pinned, if you get in trouble....drop em'. DB press for chest, with a 1/4 turn at the top makes for a better contraction (in bodybuilding terms). Training on a machine makes you better............














.....on a machine!

[Meso_z]

[Coach is Back!]

it's all about the drugs and use any exercise that you feel working the most (for resistance) and that's the whole secret of bodybuilding ..

This is precisely why training knowledge in bodybuilding is all but nil. Try to find the easy way out because real training is just to hard.

[Swlabr]

Oh really?

How much do you bench/squat/deadlift, Coach?

[The_Leafy_Bug]

This is precisely why training knowledge in bodybuilding is all but nil. Try to find the easy way out because real training is just to hard.

I did all that kind of training that you do with your athletes in highschool football. We used to go to Ole Miss in the summers and go to their training camps. I have done the 100 yard sprints in 100+ degree Louisiana heat with humidity that feels like you are inhaling water. During this time i was the smallest and weakest i had ever been. You gotta find what works for you. I'd pick a smith machine with safety over dragging a tire or jumping rope outside any day. That stuff is just a bunch of crap to me. It gets you conditioned well but why do more then you have to?

[gh15]

seems like include dumbells give you much more of a contration and stretch and seems like a better overall mass builder than the smith machine.  Jay seems to love the incline DB and has a decent chest, etc.

just curious as to what makes the incline smith the best as opposed to other exercises?   

controlled movment with no risk of injury ,, be able to concentrate mainly on the pecs rather than trying to stable the bar,, the smith is just the superb tool to build superb pecs,, greats pecs are built as a result of genetic and of training smart,, ofcourse you need to go heavy with time,, but smith machine and hammer is the 2 most important factors when it come to exercises,,

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[gh15]

Disagree, causes too much stability in the shoulders plus if you get pinned you have no where to go. DB's allow more instability that in turn causes stability which makes stabilizers stronger to handle the load. Plus you can't get pinned, if you get in trouble....drop em'. DB press for chest, with a 1/4 turn at the top makes for a better contraction (in bodybuilding terms). Training on a machine makes you better............














.....on a machine!

there is no need for free weight to build great chest,, this is one of the secrets we dont tell you ,, jason myself many others we use machines and smith and hammers!! to get to the level of pec development we achieved,, again this is one of the myths you hear about free weights and dumbells for chest,, BIG NO NO ,, you build big chest from stimulating it with right training not ego training,, and ofcourse heavier weight the better but! you need to do it right and get the stiulation ,, free weight doesnt achieve that to full capacity

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[LATS]

 if you also watch jay's favorite chest exercise if the incline hammer.. that is his main exercise.. for athletics i agree that free weights are best.. for bodybuilding free weights do have certain limitations.. i have yet to get as good a chest workout using free weights as i have using hammer strength machines properly.. (proper seat height ect as opposed to just trying to lift as much as possible and adjusting the seat to that advantage) i have lifted for 20 years.. and wish hammer and some of the other leverage lines were in existance 20 years or more a go in my area.. would be ahead of the game i am at now..

[SS]

Oh really?

How much do you bench/squat/deadlift, Coach?

535lbs @ 181lbs raw.

[Coach is Back!]

I did all that kind of training that you do with your athletes in highschool football. We used to go to Ole Miss in the summers and go to their training camps. I have done the 100 yard sprints in 100+ degree Louisiana heat with humidity that feels like you are inhaling water. During this time i was the smallest and weakest i had ever been. You gotta find what works for you. I'd pick a smith machine with safety over dragging a tire or jumping rope outside any day. That stuff is just a bunch of crap to me. It gets you conditioned well but why do more then you have to?

One of the biggest problems with HS football is that a coach, be it, O-line, D-line, head coach, etc is usually the strength and conditioning coach. HS's usually do not use a strength and conditioning coach for the sole purpose of creating strength and conditioning programs because it's usually not in the budget or stipen. But the HS coaches are not strength and conditioning coaches but they try to do the best they can with what they have.

[Swlabr]

535lbs @ 181lbs raw.

[Coach is Back!]

there is no need for free weight to build great chest,, this is one of the secrets we dont tell you ,, jason myself many others we use machines and smith and hammers!! to get to the level of pec development we achieved,, again this is one of the myths you hear about free weights and dumbells for chest,, BIG NO NO ,, you build big chest from stimulating it with right training not ego training,, and ofcourse heavier weight the better but! you need to do it right and get the stiulation ,, free weight doesnt achieve that to full capacity

gh15 approved

It's not a secret.....sorry.