ABC News leads off with Bachmann: Pray Away the Gay at Candidate's Clinic?

[blacken700]

"A former patient who sought help from the Christian counseling clinic owned by GOP presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann and her husband, Marcus, told ABC News he was advised that prayer could rid him of his homosexual urges and he could eventually be "re-oriented."

" path for my therapy would be to read the Bible, pray to God that I would no longer be gay," said Andrew Ramirez, who was 17-years-old at the time he sought help from Bachmann & Associates in suburban Minneapolis in 2004. "And God would forgive me if I were straight."

In the past, Marcus Bachmann has disputed the clinic has treated gay patients this way. But Ramirez's account, which was first reported by The Nation, is similar to the counseling session that appears on new undercover video shot by a gay rights advocacy group last month. That footage shows another counselor at the Bachmann clinic telling a gay man posing as a patient that, with prayer and effort, he could eventually learn to be attracted to women and rid himself of his gay urges..."

Can you say "Hidden camera", Michelle? Yep, they're not just used by your side.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/michele-bachmann-exclusiv...

  top repub candidate, you can't make this shit up

[240 is Back]

it was cool when that one pimp exposed acorn as corrupt.

i guess it won't be cool now.

[Soul Crusher]

So teaching someone how to be a pimp and qualify for tax dollars is the same as telling someone to pray? 

[blacken700]

So teaching someone how to be a pimp and qualify for tax dollars is the same as telling someone to pray? 

 

pray the gay away 

[240 is Back]

So teaching someone how to be a pimp and qualify for tax dollars is the same as telling someone to pray? 

good point.  did the marcus clinic receive any federal dollars?

[Soul Crusher]

good point.  did the marcus clinic receive any federal dollars?

Speaking of acorn





BREAKING: It Turns Out Obama Gave ACORN $541K This Year, Not $80K
Big Government ^ | 7/11/11 | Matthew Vadum
Posted on July 11, 2011 8:06:04 PM EDT by Nachum

Remember that story from a few days ago, the one about the Obama administration giving ACORN a $79,819 grant in March despite a federal law that prohibits the government from giving money to ACORN?

It turns out that sum is a lowball figure.

I discovered Obama’s Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave ACORN another $461,086 in January. The funds were earmarked for ACORN Housing Corp. in January under HUD’s Self-help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP), according to the government website USAspending.gov.

In order words, the Obama administration gave fraud-ridden ACORN nearly a half million dollars to be used on housing development.

The administration isn’t even trying to conceal the fact that it gave this money to ACORN.

USAspending.gov identifies the recipient as “ACORN Housing Corporation Inc.” even though that nonprofit entity filed papers last year legally changing its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA).

(Excerpt) Read more at biggovernment.com ...

[Kazan]

This shit is almost funny, the Dem's must really be worried about her. When did she announce she was running again a couple weeks? The MSM has done more probing of Bachman in a couple weeks than they have done to Obama since he announced he was running several years ago. Fucking pathetic, all this bullshit is just more distraction from the incompetent assclown aka our current POTUS

[Soul Crusher]

This shit is almost funny, the Dem's must really be worried about her. When did she announce she was running again a couple weeks? The MSM has done more probing of Bachman in a couple weeks than they have done to Obama since he announced he was running several years ago. Fucking pathetic, all this bullshit is just more distraction from the incompetent assclown aka our current POTUS

Good their getting bs out of the way now.    By next year she is going smash Obama to smitherines. 

[240 is Back]

This shit is almost funny, the Dem's must really be worried about her. When did she announce she was running again a couple weeks? The MSM has done more probing of Bachman in a couple weeks than they have done to Obama since he announced he was running several years ago. Fucking pathetic, all this bullshit is just more distraction from the incompetent assclown aka our current POTUS

MSM = includes FOX and Drudge.  

[Fury]

This shit is almost funny, the Dem's must really be worried about her. When did she announce she was running again a couple weeks? The MSM has done more probing of Bachman in a couple weeks than they have done to Obama since he announced he was running several years ago. Fucking pathetic, all this bullshit is just more distraction from the incompetent assclown aka our current POTUS

Anything to distract attention from the current state of the economy. Notice how the same people polluting these Bachmann threads are completely nonexistent in the economic threads?

Sheeple just like their American Idol counterparts.

[Kazan]

MSM = includes FOX and Drudge.  

I don't really give a fuck what it ='s, your as bad as the MSM, redirect every fucking discussion into some dumbass direction. Your devil's advocate shit is getting old. No one wants to debate anything on this board anymore, just spin and stupid bullshit.

[tonymctones]

I don't really give a fuck what it ='s, your as bad as the MSM, redirect every fucking discussion into some dumbass direction. Your devil's advocate shit is getting old. No one wants to debate anything on this board anymore, just spin and stupid bullshit.

dont know if you were around during the election bro but this is nothing compared to the idiocy 240 put out then.

considering his current level, Id say he will be about way past benny status by the next election.

[Dos Equis]

You mean a Christian counselor, who believes homosexuality is a sin, which is consistent with black and white Biblical passages, told a homosexual to pray about his sexual preferences?  Well stop the presses.  I mean it's not like we have entire organizations devoted to "pray the gay away" in this country or anything.   

This is as dumb as the (blatantly false) Bachmann signs a pledge to ban all porn thread.   

[Soul Crusher]

dont know if you were around during the election bro but this is nothing compared to the idiocy 240 put out then.

considering his current level, Id say he will be about way past benny status by the next election.

240 - I am a liberaltarian. 

[Mr. Magoo]

considering that jesus christ never spoke against homosexuality, isn't it by definition not anti-christian to be a homosexual

 

[Dos Equis]

considering that jesus christ never spoke against homosexuality, isn't it by definition not anti-christian to be a homosexual

 

No.

[Mr. Magoo]

No.

so by definition "christian" isn't following the teachings of christ?

Like Jeffersonian, Aristotelian, Machiavellian, Lockean, etc

[Dos Equis]

so by definition "christian" isn't following the teachings of christ?

Like Jeffersonian, Aristotelian, Machiavellian, Lockean, etc

Not at all.  Your definition is wrong.  Jesus didn't touch on every Biblical teaching during his 33 years on earth.

If you're trying to say the Bible doesn't speak very clearly about homosexuality, or that the Biblical view of homosexuality isn't "Christian," I don't think you have any reasonable support for that kind of opinion.

In any event, it doesn't make this story any less ridiculous.     

[whork25]

Anything to distract attention from the current state of the economy. Notice how the same people polluting these Bachmann threads are completely nonexistent in the economic threads?

Sheeple just like their American Idol counterparts.

Does Bachmann have an economic policy to debate?

[whork25]

considering that jesus christ never spoke against homosexuality, isn't it by definition not anti-christian to be a homosexual

 

There is a lot of incest in the bibel i guess thats okay go figure

[Mr. Magoo]

Not at all.  Your definition is wrong.  Jesus didn't touch on every Biblical teaching during his 33 years on earth.

If you're trying to say the Bible doesn't speak very clearly about homosexuality, or that the Biblical view of homosexuality isn't "Christian," I don't think you have any reasonable support for that kind of opinion.

In any event, it doesn't make this story any less ridiculous.     

I'm not talking about Biblical, i'm talking about Christianity and using "christian" to mean "teachings of Christ" just like we use terms such as Jeffersonian (teachings of thomas Jefferson), Lockean (teachings of John Locke), Machiavellian (teachings of Machiavelli), Aristotelian (teachings of Aristotle), Millian (teachings of John Stuart Mill), etc. If we use this understanding of "Christian" just like we use "teachings of _______(insert name)" for those other terms, then by definition, homosexuality is not anti-christian because it is not anti-the teachings of christ, since Christ never spoke on homosexuality.

[chadstallion]

I tried that.
prayed to God to take the gay away.
He answered, "no"  you're fabulous the way I made you.

[MCWAY]

I'm not talking about Biblical, i'm talking about Christianity and using "christian" to mean "teachings of Christ" just like we use terms such as Jeffersonian (teachings of thomas Jefferson), Lockean (teachings of John Locke), Machiavellian (teachings of Machiavelli), Aristotelian (teachings of Aristotle), Millian (teachings of John Stuart Mill), etc. If we use this understanding of "Christian" just like we use "teachings of _______(insert name)" for those other terms, then by definition, homosexuality is not anti-christian because it is not anti-the teachings of christ, since Christ never spoke on homosexuality.

"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female and said, 'For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?'" Matthew 19:4-5.

Those are the words of Jesus, when answering a question about marriage. Don't you think, if there were some exemption for homosexuality, He would have mentioned it. Jesus said He was there to do the will of His Father and not to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

Homosexuality ("If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman; they have committed an abomination to God") is CLEARLY pointed out as sinful. Of that there is no doubt. We've seen liberals foolishly attempt to twist and jerk Scripture to condone what it clearly condemns. The teachings of Christ are the teaching of the Bible; the two are hardly seperate. He took what was taught in the Old Testament one step further. He didn't diminish it.

[roccoginge]

MSM = includes FOX and Drudge.  

MSM is a joint rehabilitation compound used alot on race horses.  It's like glucoseamine sulfate.

[roccoginge]

I thought everyone knew by now the acorn scandal was false.