GH15: whats better: incline hammer or incline smith?

[theworm]

last thread got deleted and this was never adressed...


thoughts?

[Royalty]

Im guessing he will say to do both. Both are good.

The Hammer Machine handles converge at the top of the movement so it offers a better contraction at the top of the movement.

The Smith Machine allows for a wider hand spacing so it provides a better stretch at the bottom of the movement. (also you can vary the angle of the bench on the smith machine)

[coltrane]

I usually do the hammer incline... and I hit it towards the end, after dumbbells.  I do a few heavy weight sets for about 8, then drop and hit a few sets of 15-20.  These last sets are done like Cutler would, stopping before full contraction.  You can really get a great burn in the upper pecs I find.


I usually do bar inclines also, but either first or second.. and usually without a smith.

[Big Worm]

last thread got deleted and this was never adressed...


thoughts?

Just load a heavy bar,and bench..! There is no science to working out !  If you love to lift......THEN LIFT..! Everyone is scared to Barbell press, and is looking for an easier way..!

[DroppingPlates]

No, no, Ronnie is better

[gh15]

Just load a heavy bar,and bench..! There is no science to working out !  If you love to lift......THEN LIFT..! Everyone is scared to Barbell press, and is looking for an easier way..!

no ,, barbel is nto as good as hammer,, your pecs will hurt in good way after many years of training when doing hammers if done correctly and very heavy,,it isolate the pecs very well,, it grow fibery meaty pecs,,ofcourse you got to be lean to begin with which is always a must inorder to look like bodybuilder,, you just cant look lik ebodybuilder walking around 20% bodyfat no matter how much muscle you have or how much you want,, if you are in single digits..no matter 5-10 hammer will develop you great pecs that are noticable and are thick full and fibery and it will put concentration on the pecs ,,the barbell is good preferably smith but only as secondary to hammer ,,

im talking ADVANCED BODYBUILD HERE,, i do suggest for begginer to go barberl for some time,, but! for advance bodybuild ...nothing will break platue like hammers


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[io856]

I need to build bigger pecs

[BiGHer]

no ,, barbel is nto as good as hammer,, your pecs will hurt in good way after many years of training when doing hammers if done correctly and very heavy,,it isolate the pecs very well,, it grow fibery meaty pecs,,ofcourse you got to be lean to begin with which is always a must inorder to look like bodybuilder,, you just cant look lik ebodybuilder walking around 20% bodyfat no matter how much muscle you have or how much you want,, if you are in single digits..no matter 5-10 hammer will develop you great pecs that are noticable and are thick full and fibery and it will put concentration on the pecs ,,the barbell is good preferably smith but only as secondary to hammer ,,

im talking ADVANCED BODYBUILD HERE,, i do suggest for begginer to go barberl for some time,, but! for advance bodybuild ...nothing will break platue like hammers


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GH15,

I remember reading from you once sometime back that the Pecs are purely a genetic thing and after they have been maxed with hormones, training will only effect them so much.  Am I wrong about this or do you think the pecs are something that can be developed even if they are a structurally and gentically weak part on your body (in terms of how you look for bodybuilding)?

[local hero]

swiss ball cable flys super setted with one arm cable crossovers.....

[dustin]

I wish my gym had some hammer strength equipment. We at least have a good smith machine no one bothers to use.

[gh15]

GH15,

I remember reading from you once sometime back that the Pecs are purely a genetic thing and after they have been maxed with hormones, training will only effect them so much.  Am I wrong about this or do you think the pecs are something that can be developed even if they are a structurally and gentically weak part on your body (in terms of how you look for bodybuilding)?

the shape...is genetic,,you can develop better bigger thicker ...more quality muscle with hormones and training..you will max it ofcourse and then be stuck,,if you have weak pecs ...most likley they will alays be your weak bodypart,,,same if you have weak arms...but even weak arms can get you second place in team universe....WITH enough hormones lol,, its all in the hormones friends,, consitant training is a must no matter what

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[Big Worm]

no ,, barbel is nto as good as hammer,, your pecs will hurt in good way after many years of training when doing hammers if done correctly and very heavy,,it isolate the pecs very well,, it grow fibery meaty pecs,,ofcourse you got to be lean to begin with which is always a must inorder to look like bodybuilder,, you just cant look lik ebodybuilder walking around 20% bodyfat no matter how much muscle you have or how much you want,, if you are in single digits..no matter 5-10 hammer will develop you great pecs that are noticable and are thick full and fibery and it will put concentration on the pecs ,,the barbell is good preferably smith but only as secondary to hammer ,,

im talking ADVANCED BODYBUILD HERE,, i do suggest for begginer to go barberl for some time,, but! for advance bodybuild ...nothing will break platue like hammers


gh15 approved

I've been lifting for over 25yrs.. So when you say advanced,do you mean juiced up junkies..?  It isn't that old school I'm speaking of either.. I just don't believe in complicating things,that's all .  Just go to the gym and work out.. What ever is lagging,just give it a little more attention.. Simple fixes,for simple problems...  Like Coleman says,everybody wanna be a bodybilda...!!!! But nobody wanna lif no heby a$$ weight!! But I do it tho!!

[gh15]

next tie you in the gym put 6 plates each side of the hammer incline...and try to move it ,,MUCH harder than 3 plates each side of the barbel ,,,much harder..but yes its true...most fellas on hammer are hormonized lol it  helps us with risk of injury with very heavy weight

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[BiGHer]

the shape...is genetic,,you can develop better bigger thicker ...more quality muscle with hormones and training..you will max it ofcourse and then be stuck,,if you have weak pecs ...most likley they will alays be your weak bodypart,,,same if you have weak arms...but even weak arms can get you second place in team universe....WITH enough hormones lol,, its all in the hormones friends,, consitant training is a must no matter what

gh15 approved

Was hoping you could take a look at my photos: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=387919.0

Let me know what you think of my physique and potential in this sport...

[gh15]

Was hoping you could take a look at my photos: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=387919.0

Let me know what you think of my physique and potential in this sport...

you need better condition ,, you are low bodyfat and you have enough muscle to win locals with no problem if you get in chizeled to the bone condition ,, for higher level you will need ....gh and insulina in higher doses

conditionis name of the game ...you do have very goo dcondition but! still too smooth ..5-7lb would make night and day diff on you and you would havbe won the show

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[Big Worm]

next tie you in the gym put 6 plates each side of the hammer incline...and try to move it ,,MUCH harder than 3 plates each side of the barbel ,,,much harder..but yes its true...most fellas on hammer are hormonized lol it  helps us with risk of injury with very heavy weight

gh15 approved

If I put 6 plates on the barbell,it would make it harder than 6 plates on the Hammer,so the point is..? But I do respect your honesty..

[tbombz]

I need to build bigger pecs

decline hammers- best chest exercise PERIOD.

[g101]

gh15,

flat fly or incline fly  

[gh15]

point is ...who in the right mind put 6 plates on barbel unless they are stupid bodybuilder?,,kovacs did on the incline ...you saw what he looked like  lol with all that weight,,few very strong bodybuild put 5 on each side of the barbel ,, kevin ,,ron ,, kai i did too but it just too much risk of injury unless you are relaly with spotter all the way and realy willing to take the risk ,, too much risk especialy when pecs are your best body part

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[gh15]

gh15,

flat fly or incline fly  

both ,,i personaly prefer flat but fellas do both they change every once in a while

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[Big Worm]

point is ...who in the right mind put 6 plates on barbel unless they are stupid bodybuilder?,,kovacs did on the incline ...you saw what he looked like  lol with all that weight,,few very strong bodybuild put 5 on each side of the barbel ,, kevin ,,ron ,, kai i did too but it just too much risk of injury unless you are relaly with spotter all the way and realy willing to take the risk ,, too much risk especialy when pecs are your best body part

gh15 approved

I'm no bodybuilder,so problem solved,right? If you push anything too much,it will break..  That goes for everything... People just don't know when to put the weight down and heal up.. Everyone wants to push past the breaking point.. People seem to believe that if you skip a few sets ,all your gains will go away.. ?  It's just lifting weights,for sh!ts sake..!!!!  Who really cares...!!??

[coltrane]

decline hammers- best chest exercise PERIOD.

Bombz:  You sure that's a decline?  It looks like the flat version. 

We have the decline with the seatbelt and I didn't like it.  I do like the flat version (and incline) though.

My feet dangle from the decline version..  and i'm 6 foot!  It's a weird feeling..

[JP_RC]

dumbells

[tbombz]

Bombz:  You sure that's a decline?  It looks like the flat version. 

We have the decline with the seatbelt and I didn't like it.  I do like the flat version (and incline) though.

My feet dangle from the decline version..  and i'm 6 foot!  It's a weird feeling..

not sure but the "decline hammer" (as its labeled) in my gym is the same as the one dj is usin in that video.  best way to isolate the pecs. since i started using it ive got thick full pecs for the first time.

[DroppingPlates]

dumbells

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