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OTHstrong · « **Reply #100 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:22:28 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 01:21:08 PM

its a direct reply to your reply.

if there is an explanation, which there always is, then the only logical one is God.

Are you sure about that?

tbombz · « **Reply #101 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:23:23 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:21:55 PM

nooo, the logical explanation is that NO ONE KNOWS at this moment. We might eventually, we might not. We dont know that either.

no one knows isnt an explanation its an admittance of ignorance. we will never know unless we know that it was God, otherwise it will still be up in the air, and we know that.

Swede! · « **Reply #102 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:24:00 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 01:23:23 PM

no one knows isnt an explanation its an admittance of ignorance. we will never know unless we know that it was God, otherwise it will still be up in the air, and we know that.

How the fuck is admitting what everyone Knows ignorance? Isn't ignorance pretending you know something which you Dont.?

you're too religious to keep the discussion sane..

tbombz · « **Reply #103 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:25:35 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on July 13, 2011, 01:22:28 PM

Are you sure about that?

as sure as i know that i exist

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:24:00 PM

ignorance is Pretending you know something you KNOW that you dont know. Like some religious people love to do.

ignorance is a lack of knowledge, pretending to know something you dont is lying.

Rami · « **Reply #104 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:26:15 PM »

let's carbon date god if he/she/it exists, as soon as we get the chance, or maybe some of his stone carving tools,

this would be interesting to see if older than our universe!

Swede! · « **Reply #105 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:29:29 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 01:25:35 PM

as sure as i know that i exist

ignorance is a lack of knowledge, pretending to know something you dont is lying.

How can you have lack of of knowledge about something there is no Real knowledge about? to the point of being ignorant?

I guess not listening to science would be ignorant then, since they might not Know but they're trying to find out

tbombz · « **Reply #106 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:35:02 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:29:29 PM

How can you have lack of of knowledge about something there is no Real knowledge about? to the point of being ignorant?

lack of knowledge= ignorance.

it would be accurate to say that everyone is ignorant to the cause and purpouse of existence.

however there is one possible logical explanation, and its very easy for most people to make the leap of faith and accept it as truth. and while they might not have concrete evidence nor be able to say that they actually KNOW what they believe in, in the end that doesnt really matter anyways.

Swede! · « **Reply #107 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:36:03 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 01:35:02 PM

lack of knowledge= ignorance.

it would be accurate to say that everyone is ignorant to the cause and purpouse of existence.

however there is one possible logical explanation, and its very easy for most people to make the leap of faith and accept it as truth. and while they might not have concrete evidence nor be able to say that they actually KNOW what they believe in, in the end that doesnt really matter anyways.

why would they accept it as the truth when its not proven? wouldnt that be ignorant?
accept it as their Belief on the other hand is fine

tbombz · « **Reply #108 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:37:35 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:36:03 PM

why would they accept it as the truth when its not proven? wouldnt that be ignorant?

ignorance is lack of knowledge. believing in something you dont have full proof of is a hasty generalization.

why would they believe in it? because everything point towards it.

Swede! · « **Reply #109 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:40:57 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 01:37:35 PM

ignorance is lack of knowledge. believing in something you dont have full proof of is a hasty generalization.

why would they believe in it? because everything point towards it.

How? because of the bible? The same book claimed earth are in the center of the universe?

nothing points at it. its a "better then nothing I guess" approach which I mentioned is Ok I guess, but dont claim you Know. claim that you Believe

Rami · « **Reply #110 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:41:59 PM »

maybe tbombz is just ahead of us?

swede has deep piercing insights and understandings, however, maybe with them one day we reach same conclusion tbombz have?

to feel yourself become less stubborn, more accepting of limitations in understandings, reality become a little bleaker and fragile, life tend to soften us up a bit you know,

maybe it's then becomes a question of what one want's to believe, and wish for to be true?

I wonder if we will die atheists Swede?

Swede! · « **Reply #111 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:45:17 PM »

Quote from: Rami on July 13, 2011, 01:41:59 PM

maybe tbombz is just ahead of us?

swede has deep piercing insights and understandings, however, maybe with them one day we reach same conclusion tbombz have?

to feel yourself become less stubborn, more accepting of limitations in understandings, reality become a little bleaker and fragile, life tend to soften us up a bit you know,

maybe it's then becomes a question of what one want's to believe, and wish for to be true?

I wonder if we will die atheists Swede?

I dont think "god" is a person and I odnt know why we call it "god" anyway. But lets say we do, I think "god " is something that we're all connected to. Kinda like the tree in avatar

, the life tree. Something like that is what I Believe.

we just dont know it yet. And the current "religion" is rpeventing uf from understanding that we're All connected and should be nice to each other.

tbombz · « **Reply #112 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:45:26 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:40:57 PM

How? because of the bible? The same book claimed earth are in the center of the universe?

nothing points at it. its a "better then nothing I guess" approach

lol!

i dont believe in "the bible"

its a collection of stories passed down upon generation.. anceitn man doing his best to explain the world for his children, their children, and so on.

everything about existence points to God.

the very copncept of solid material is completely illogical untill you put god into the equation.

tbombz · « **Reply #113 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:46:26 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:45:17 PM

I dont think "god" is a person and I odnt know why we call it "god" anyway. But lets say we do, I think "god " is something that we're all connected to. Kinda like the tree in avatar , the life tree. Something like that is what I Believe.

we just dont know it yet. And the current "religion" is rpeventing uf from understanding that we're All connected and should be nice to each other.

and now we have a believer on our hands.

good for you.

you should have said so from the beginning.

Swede! · « **Reply #114 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:49:27 PM »

people that have had mushrooms trips (only spores that could survive vacuum (I think(?)) and might have been "brought" to our planet from a comet faar faar away) usually say that they felt like everything was connected.

Might try shrooms sometime, for a meditation purpose. The key to true "enlightenment" might be from what the earth has to offer. Something that grows naturally.

tbombz · « **Reply #115 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:51:23 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:49:27 PM

people that have had mushrooms trips (only spores that could survive vacuum (I think(?)) and might have been "brought" to our planet from a comet faar faar away) usually say that they felt like everything was connected.

Might try shrooms sometime, for a meditation purpose

duuuuuuddddeeee

do it

atheist my whole life untill i did shrooms

Swede! · « **Reply #116 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:53:21 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 01:51:23 PM

duuuuuuddddeeee

do it

atheist my whole life untill i did shrooms

atheist my whole life untill I tried cannabis

tbombz · « **Reply #117 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:57:48 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:53:21 PM

atheist my whole life untill I tried cannabis

good philosophy helps too

look into rene descartes (meditations), george berkeley(dialogues), and gottfried leibnez (monadology).

descartes invented the cartesian plane (coordinate geometry) and is responsible for "i think therefore i am". his 'meditations. provided the groundwork for modern science.

bishop george berkeley, uc berkeley named after him, is the origin of the idea that matter itself doesnt even exist. how modern physicist talk about the theoretical possibility of walking through walls. stems from him.

leibnez knew about atoms and quantum mechanics back in the 17th century, long before any real science had been done on the subject.

Swede! · « **Reply #118 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:01:19 PM »

And if someone says Nothing happends when you die. It only gets dark. like when you sleep (if you dont dream) or put under anesthesia. I wouldn't argue. That Might be what happends. I dont know.
Everything might just be a projections of our own imagination in another dimension, I dont know that either

what I do know is that I will probaly try shrooms sometime. I want legit shit that I know have been grown with care though. And I dont know people that could provide shit like that.

OTHstrong · « **Reply #119 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:32:44 PM »

When you said everything can be explained, and I even asked if you where sure..well, sorry Tboms,I'm going to have to say thats a contradicton on your part.....only 2 ways you can go right according to you

1. You go backwards forever, infinite, not possible for an explanation period, no matter what

2. God....God cannot be explained either period, no matter what

I certainly agree with your assessment, but cannot agree that everything has an explanation, however stupid this may sound, but somewhere down the line is something that can not be reached rationally, logically, definatively.

Cliff Clavin · « **Reply #120 on:** July 13, 2011, 08:41:17 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:49:27 PM

people that have had mushrooms trips (only spores that could survive vacuum (I think(?)) and might have been "brought" to our planet from a comet faar faar away) usually say that they felt like everything was connected.

Might try shrooms sometime, for a meditation purpose. The key to true "enlightenment" might be from what the earth has to offer. Something that grows naturally.

yep very good stuff...you dont necessarily need to meditate just be in a nice relaxing comfortable place and have plenty of good music...

OTHstrong · « **Reply #121 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:16:59 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:40:57 PM

How? because of the bible? The same book claimed earth are in the center of the universe?

nothing points at it. its a "better then nothing I guess" approach which I mentioned is Ok I guess, but dont claim you Know. claim that you Believe

Cmon now, don't scoop to that level, the Bible does not claim to be the centre of the universe...What, a thousand years from now someone is going to look back at this time and say we believe the sun goes around the earth because we use the term "sunrise" ahh no, figurative writting obviously

Straw Man · « **Reply #122 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:33:04 PM »

Quote from: Stark on July 13, 2011, 05:50:10 AM

12 friggen thousand years old - it doubles the existence of human civilization.They haven't found a single stone cutting tool or any other tools found.

Created 11 - 12 thousand years old and at a later stage tightly packed and covered by earth for unknown reason.

http://www.wimp.com/unexplainedstructure/

jeebus told me this was built by the dinosaurs four thousand years ago