Author Topic: This is where liberalism will take us (Read 4079 times)

makaveli25 · « **on:** July 13, 2011, 12:51:44 PM »

Thought you might want to see what 50 years of liberalism gets

tbombz · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:52:56 PM »

Quote from: makaveli25 on July 13, 2011, 12:51:44 PM

Thought you might want to see what 50 years of liberalism gets

lol. 50 years of cheap foreign cars and the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. thats not liberalism.

Top Dog · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:54:48 PM »

Liberals are very "tolerant".

makaveli25 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:57:42 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on July 13, 2011, 12:52:56 PM

lol. 50 years of cheap foreign cars and the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. thats not liberalism.

Why do you think companies outsource. All of the regulations and taxes enacted by pricks like zero.

tbombz · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2011, 12:59:59 PM »

Quote from: makaveli25 on July 13, 2011, 12:57:42 PM

Why do you think companies outsource. All of the regulations and taxes enacted by pricks like zero.

your right.

companies outsource due to minimum wages, 8 hour work days, 5 day work weeks, manufacturing standards, and environmental regulations that prohibit excessive pollution during the manufacturing process.

and ya, those things are championed by democrats.

stupid democrats..

mass243 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:06:04 PM »

Detroit is was great .

Swede! · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:18:57 PM »

would be fun to walk around with an Ak and look in random houses

makaveli25 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:18:57 PM

would be fun to walk around with an Ak and look in random houses

Plus one.

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:27:09 PM »

This is a thread by a guy who does not understand liberalism

mass243 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:28:17 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:18:57 PM

would be fun to walk around with an Ak and look in random houses

makaveli25 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:28:30 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on July 13, 2011, 01:27:09 PM

This is a thread by a guy who does not understand liberalism

Swede! · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:30:45 PM »

I just got double +1´d ?

My e-balls just grew a bit

Nails · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:31:28 PM »

was that detroit or Haiti

makaveli25 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:31:52 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on July 13, 2011, 01:27:09 PM

This is a thread by a guy who does not understand liberalism

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-reno/is-liberalism-a-mental-disorder-or-just-bad-parenting-1

CalvinH · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:39:41 PM »

Quote from: Swede! on July 13, 2011, 01:18:57 PM

would be fun to walk around with an Ak and look in random houses

Good luck with that.

.....you'd be out gunned.

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:45:29 PM »

Quote from: mass243 on July 13, 2011, 01:06:04 PM

Detroit is was great .
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"It must have been two in the morning when we got to Detroit, 'cause nothing was open but hospitals, jails, and legs." Doug Williams (me)

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2011, 01:58:32 PM »

Quote from: makaveli25 on July 13, 2011, 01:31:52 PM

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-reno/is-liberalism-a-mental-disorder-or-just-bad-parenting-1

if that is your source on liberalism then you are more uneducated than I thought

Let's start here before I bring in actual books:
http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:00:55 PM »

CLASSIC liberalism, I have no problem with, but just like modern conservatism, modern liberalism is a complete sham of its former self. Anybody who thinks there is some massive difference between the parties is delusional, or just lost in the 1980's.......

Mr. Magoo · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:08:52 PM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on July 13, 2011, 02:00:55 PM

CLASSIC liberalism, I have no problem with, but just like modern conservatism, modern liberalism is a complete sham of its former self. Anybody who thinks there is some massive difference between the parties is delusional, or just lost in the 1980's.......

I think most people today get their info from the glen becks and whoever you want to call the crazy person at msnbc or wherever (I don't watch these programs). And this reinforces misconceptions about what each party believes and leads to a large ignorance. I think if one wants to understand about Liberalism, read Mill, Rawls, Dworkin, Nagel, Waldron, etc and if someone wants to understand about libertarianism read Nozick, Smith, Sumner, etc.

As far as conservatism goes, I don't really know where one should read. Most of the conservative books out there are propaganda and not philosophical works. I'm not saying the existing philosophical conservative books are crappy, I'm just saying very few, if any, have written on it.

Swede! · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:12:15 PM »

What am I?

Taxes should be the same for everyone.
You should be able to decide to put into your body whatever you want unless it affects someone else in a bad way.
Death pentaly should be given to anyone that kills someone innocent.
Abortions should be legal up to a certain week of pregnancy.
Schools should not push reiligion on someone.

and I missing some of the biggest big basic questions?

I guess I have some "liberal" views but I also want the death penalty to be something Very common. Public executions would be nice also. And I guess thats not liberal? I dunno

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:18:17 PM »

Quote from: Mr. Magoo on July 13, 2011, 02:08:52 PM

I think most people today get their info from the glen becks and whoever you want to call the crazy person at msnbc or wherever (I don't watch these programs). And this reinforces misconceptions about what each party believes and leads to a large ignorance. I think if one wants to understand about Liberalism, read Mill, Rawls, Dworkin, Nagel, Waldron, etc and if someone wants to understand about libertarianism read Nozick, Smith, Sumner, etc.

As far as conservatism goes, I don't really know where one should read. Most of the conservative books out there are propaganda and not philosophical works. I'm not saying the existing philosophical conservative books are crappy, I'm just saying very few, if any, have written on it.

Agreed. Vast majority of the media is just pushing buttons to get a reaction, i've yet to bump into someone and have a decent discussion about politics/policies who referenced Beck, for example, or Mahre...

As for conservative books, I'm not some type of expert, but a couple of really good reads are:

The Road to Serfdom by Freidrich A. Hayek and Witness by Whitaker Chambers. And you are correct, most of them are just geared towards feeding off the fears and insecurities of average citizens.

garebear · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:19:31 PM »

The honey badger don't give a shit.

I guess I don't want to move to the Detroit ghetto. I mean, I thought it might have been a cool place until this video was posted. So thanks for letting me know it's not a fun place, something I couldn't have possibly deduced by the word 'ghetto'.

And what's with the music?

Coach is Back! · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:22:41 PM »

If you want a good example of what liberalism has done, look no further than California and NY.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:38:00 PM »

Quote from: The Coach on July 13, 2011, 02:22:41 PM

If you want a good example of what liberalism has done, look no further than California and NY.

If we did not have Wall Street in NYC - this place would resemble kenya and south side chicago.

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2011, 02:41:42 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on July 13, 2011, 02:38:00 PM

If we did not have Wall Street in NYC - this place would resemble kenya and south side chicago.

John Rocker was right !!!!!