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Looks like Lindey Graham is even disgusted at his party for putting themselves and their political concerns above the good of the country

WTF was McConnell thinking by publicly saying what we've all known to be true for a long time

The Republicans put their party and their political conncerns ahead of the good of the country

Maybe he forgot he was supposed to lie about that in public

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20079442-503544.html

Lindsey Graham: On debt limit, GOP has "nobody to blame but ourselves"

Senator Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., on Wednesday lamented his party's having made such "a big deal" about its opposition to raising the debt ceiling, and conceded that now Republicans were struggling to walk back their statements.

"Our problem is we made a big deal about this for three months," said Graham of the debt limit debate, according to Politico. "How many Republicans have been on TV saying, 'I'm not going to raise the debt limit'? You know, Mitch [McConnell] says, 'I'm not going to raise the debt limit unless we talk about Medicare.' And I've said I'm not going to raise the debt limit until we do something about spending and entitlements.'"

Democrats and Republicans have for weeks been engaged in tense negotiations over an agreement to raise the nation's $14.3 trillion borrowing limit, but progress has been repeatedly stalled over issues like whether or not to increase tax revenues - a matter on which neither party appears willing to budge.


Graham says now Republicans should have tempered their language early on.

"We shouldn't have said that if we didn't mean it... We've got nobody to blame but ourselves," Graham told reporters. 


Graham also disputed the argument, made by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Wednesday, that Republicans couldn't vote for the debt ceiling because it would destroy the GOP "brand" and put the party at risk of being blamed "for a bad economy."

(McConnell has proposed a controversial alternative plan, which would both enable President Obama to raise the debt limit and allow Republicans to avoid voting for it. That plan, however, would not require Mr. Obama to enact any commensurate spending cuts.)

"Most people who got elected in 2010 didn't come up here worried about the brand, they came up here worried about the country," Graham  said. "You go explain to them why they're wrong [when they] say that the country's on an unsustainable path. I don't think they are wrong."

Nevertheless Graham, like a handful of his fellow lawmakers, appears to be looking at McConnell's plan as a last-ditch means with which to avoid defaulting on the government's loans in the event that Republicans and Democrats are unable to agree on a compromise.

"If they can't [come to a deal], then Mitch's idea makes sense," Graham said. "But if they can pass something out of the House that raises the debt limit that changes the reason we got in debt, that would be a fundamental new direction for the country, I think we should support that."




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Remind me again why obama panned his own debt commission panel recs a year ago and still has not put forward a plan himself? 


Btw - lindsey graham is a hack.

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Um, I think you mean hackER.

He probably broke into the FBI website.
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Graham also disputed the argument, made by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Wednesday, that Republicans couldn't vote for the debt ceiling because it would destroy the GOP "brand" and put the party at risk of being blamed "for a bad economy."


We're facing economic collapse... mitch is worried about the GOP "brand".  Wonderful.

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Graham also disputed the argument, made by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Wednesday, that Republicans couldn't vote for the debt ceiling because it would destroy the GOP "brand" and put the party at risk of being blamed "for a bad economy."


We're facing economic collapse... mitch is worried about the GOP "brand".  Wonderful.

and stupid enough to bitch about it in public as if the country

this is what they've been about for the last 30 years but none of them have been stupid enough to admit it in public

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Stopped reading at "Lindsey Graham".

I like how Dems hold the biggest RINO in the GOP up on a pedestal because he happens to wear an "R" instead of the "D" he should be wearing. That desperate to deflect attention from the runaway spending of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid axis of evil.

Graham also disputed the argument, made by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell on Wednesday, that Republicans couldn't vote for the debt ceiling because it would destroy the GOP "brand" and put the party at risk of being blamed "for a bad economy."


We're facing economic collapse... mitch is worried about the GOP "brand".  Wonderful.

Please shut the fuck up, sheister. You don't care about the economy. You're too busy talking about fucking Bachmann.

These debt talks are blowing up in the Dems faces as they won't even bring a proposal to the table. They're too busy pointing fingers and playing class warfare.

Got to laugh at Obama's proposed 2 billion (read: BILLION) in cuts.  ::)

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Obama, Pelosi and Reid make Bush look like an amateur. Thanks for playing.

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let's ignore the fact that GDP was dropping during the last few quarters of the Bush Admin and first few quarters of Obama administration (skewing the graph)

let's also ignore the likelihood that Iraq and Afghanistan aren't part of the Bush #'s used to calcuate the graph.

let's ignore the economic downturn which meant revenues went down while spending on things unemployment, etc.. went up

Let's ignore that TARP, bailing out the auto companies,  Fannie, Freddie - all started in the last month so Bush are also in that graph

And for sure, let's really ignore that the interest on all the debt accumulated prior to Obama creates a larger interest burden and that just keeps growing exponentionally as we are not paying down any principal (as we did under Clinton)


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So you can't actually refute the exponential increase in spending as a percentage of GDP since 2009. Thanks for playing.

Obama, Pelosi and Reid have made Bush's $500 billion yearly deficits look like child's play with their deficits that are pushing $1.5 trillion now.

Spin, spin, spin won't change the growing the perception among Americans that Democrats can't control their spending. And the perception that they couldn't care less about fixing it.  :)





 :D :D :D :D

Just look at that spike. It's almost comical that people defend it. Quick Straw, tell us again how you think we should spend a few trillion more! You Bay-area people have shown yourselves to be quite the "academics" when it comes to economics. Ha ha ha. 

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The Obama Downgrade
The real reason the U.S. could lose its AAA rating.

So the credit-rating agencies that helped to create the financial crisis that led to a deep recession are now warning that the U.S. could lose the AAA rating it has had since 1917. As painfully ironic as this is, there's no benefit in shooting the messengers. The real culprit is the U.S. political class, especially the President who has presided over this historic collapse of fiscal credibility.

Moody's and the boys are citing the risk of a default on August 2 as the proximate reason for their warning. But Americans should understand that the debt ceiling is merely the trigger. The gun is the spending boom of the last three years and the prospect that Washington lacks the political will to reduce it in the years to come.

On spending, it is important to recall how extraordinary the blowout of the last three years has been. We've seen nothing like it since World War II. Nothing close. The nearby chart tracks federal outlays as a share of GDP since 1960. The early peaks coincide with the rise of the Great Society, the recession of 1974-75, and then a high of 23.5% with the recession of 1982 and the Reagan defense buildup.

From there, spending declines, most rapidly during the 1990s as defense outlays fell to 3% of GDP in 2000 from its Reagan peak of 6.2% in 1986. The early George W. Bush years saw spending bounce up to a plateau of roughly 20% of GDP, but no more than 20.7% as recently as 2008.

Then came the Obama blowout, in league with Nancy Pelosi's Congress. With the recession as a rationale, Democrats consciously blew up the national balance sheet, lifting federal outlays to 25% in 2009, the highest level since 1945. (Even in 1946, with millions still in the military, spending was only 24.8% of GDP. In 1947 it fell to 14.8%.) Though the recession ended in June 2009, spending in 2010 stayed high at nearly 24%, and this year it is heading back toward 25%.

This is the main reason that federal debt held by the public as a share of GDP has climbed from 40.3% in 2008, to 53.5% in 2009, 62.2% in 2010 and an estimated 72% this year, and is expected to keep rising in the future. These are heights not seen since the Korean War, and many analysts think U.S. debt will soon hit 90% or 100% of GDP.


Congress is responsible for the way so much of this spending was wasted, resulting in little job creation and the slowest economic recovery since the 1930s. But in the U.S. political system, Presidents are supposed to be the fiscal adults. When they abdicate, the teenagers invite over their special interest friends and blow the inheritance.

The President is now claiming to have found fiscal virtue, but notice how hard he has fought House Republicans as they've sought to abate the spending boom. First he used the threat of a government shutdown to whittle the fiscal 2011 spending cuts down to very little. Then he invited Paul Ryan to sit in the front row for a speech while he called his House budget un-American.

Now Mr. Obama is using the debt-ceiling debate as a battering ram not to control spending but to command a tax increase. We're told the White House list of immediate budget savings, the ones that matter most because they are enforceable by the current Congress, are negligible. His offer for immediate domestic nondefense discretionary cuts: $2 billion.

As for Mr. Obama's proposed entitlement cuts, they are all nibbling around the edges of programs that are growing far faster than inflation. He's offering few reforms that would make a difference in the long run. Oh, and ObamaCare is untouchable, despite its $1 trillion in new spending over the next several years, growing even faster after that.

So now we have the inevitable showdown over the debt limit, which must be raised to pay for all of this spending. And Mr. Obama is blaming Republicans for being irresponsible because they won't raise taxes in return for promises of modest future spending restraint. And some people even fall for it.

We've said we think it would be foolish of Republicans to walk into Mr. Obama's debt-limit trap and let him blame them for the financial fallout, including a possible credit downgrade. But this is not because we think they will deserve the blame. Even if this debt-ceiling crisis passes, the threat of a credit downgrade will continue and grow until Mr. Obama changes his policies, or Americans change Presidents.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304203304576446332084493902.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop





Trying to defend the indefensible. LOL.


Don't worry about it, though, as the Dems have it under control. Any day now they'll get around to passing that budget they were supposed to do 2 years ago. Yessir, any day now.

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let's ignore the fact that GDP was dropping during the last few quarters of the Bush Admin and first few quarters of Obama administration (skewing the graph)

let's also ignore the likelihood that Iraq and Afghanistan aren't part of the Bush #'s used to calcuate the graph.

let's ignore the economic downturn which meant revenues went down while spending on things unemployment, etc.. went up

Let's ignore that TARP, bailing out the auto companies,  Fannie, Freddie - all started in the last month so Bush are also in that graph

And for sure, let's really ignore that the interest on all the debt accumulated prior to Obama creates a larger interest burden and that just keeps growing exponentionally as we are not paying down any principal (as we did under Clinton)



Should we also ignore the fact there hasn't been a fucking budget in 2 years as well?

Under Clinton? He just happened to be the POTUS who got grid locked in the 90's giving him credit for that is like me taking credit for the world bench press record because I spotted the guy
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