Lee Labrada and Rich Gaspari do allright.. so does Dorian. They alll started their own companies. Haney has his training deal going on, as does the first MR O Larry Scott. A lot of people knocked Mentzer, but he made a great living training people and selling books, doing seminars, etc. We wont even mention Arnold... wow notice how most of the great bodybuilders are the ones who ended up doing well after too??