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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2011, 07:16:08 PM »
"taught"
Nothing wrong with using teached whatsoever.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2011, 07:16:30 PM »
Nothing wrong with using teached whatsoever.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2011, 07:18:18 PM »
LOL this thread makes my brain hurt, what's going on

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2011, 07:18:43 PM »
can't see your pic, Leafy. Please tell me you don't squat on a smith machine?
Of course. The smith machine is a great way to squat!

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2011, 07:20:17 PM »
"taught"

Neologism again bro, nothing to do with the fact that Im a native portuguese speaker postig from a cellphone making some fuckups

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #80 on: July 17, 2011, 07:23:13 PM »
Neologism again bro, nothing to do with the fact that Im a native portuguese speaker postig from a cellphone making some fuckups
I'm pretty sure 'taught' is not a neologism.  ;)

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #81 on: July 17, 2011, 07:24:31 PM »
So where do you draw the line between a "neologism" and the rape of the English language?

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #82 on: July 17, 2011, 07:26:53 PM »
So where do you draw the line between a "neologism" and the rape of the English language?
When you have a word that is farther from the pale than 'taught!?'    ;D

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #83 on: July 17, 2011, 07:30:02 PM »
So where do you draw the line between a "neologism" and the rape of the English language?
You can`t as there are no firm rules that must be adhered to.  If you were to read anything from the 17th or 16th century, it is doubtful you would understand it its entirety if you were to use your current standard.  Languages are a fluid thing, meant to ebb and flow, they are not meant to be a stagnant pool of limited words and ideas.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #84 on: July 17, 2011, 07:30:37 PM »
I take supplements to improve my vocabulary and grammar.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #85 on: July 17, 2011, 07:35:07 PM »
We need to teach Latin and the classics in inner city schools.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #86 on: July 17, 2011, 07:35:35 PM »
I take supplements to improve my vocabulary and grammar.
Finally an answer spoken with iron-clad truth and impenetrable clarity!

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #87 on: July 17, 2011, 07:36:14 PM »
You can`t as there are no firm rules that must be adhered to.  If you were to read anything from the 17th or 16th century, it is doubtful you would understand it its entirety if you were to use your current standard.  Languages are a fluid thing, meant to ebb and flow, they are not meant to be a stagnant pool of limited words and ideas.
Absolutely.
Perhaps.
So true.

/i like and use the oxford comma, tho i see how it can be ill-used

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #88 on: July 17, 2011, 07:37:30 PM »
Absolutely.
Perhaps.
So true.

/i like and use the oxford comma, tho i see how it can be ill-used
So do you too, where you perceive them thick. they Getbiggers that is, not thy regal ones us being so.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #89 on: July 17, 2011, 07:39:48 PM »
Speaking of raping language, this thread title could be sneakishly "mod-ified" to Why do people still use dictionaries if you can break all the rules?

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #90 on: July 17, 2011, 07:43:11 PM »
So do you too, where you perceive them thick. they Getbiggers that is, not thy regal ones us being so.
Ha! My claims to a mantle royal may be thin, but if you have space beside the hearth it would be my pleasure.   

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #91 on: July 17, 2011, 07:47:14 PM »
Speaking of raping language, this thread title could be sneakishly "mod-ified" to Why do people still use dictionaries if you can break all the rules?
http://fora.tv/2008/09/12/Steven_Pinker_The_Stuff_of_Thought#fullprogram

Click that and then click number 9-Adherence to Grammar Rules.


Steven Pinker, who happens to be the Chairman of the American Heritage Dictionary on Usage and the Oxford Dictionary, will explain to you fully why these rules are not finite and why they do not mean a thing.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #92 on: July 17, 2011, 07:51:02 PM »
A recommendation.




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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #93 on: July 17, 2011, 07:54:05 PM »
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Why Take Dietary Supplements?
There is no question that as we enter the new millennium, the fast-paced, stress-producing lifestyle and micro-nutrient-depleted diet of the 21st Century sets the stage for chronic disease.
Research documents nutrient deficiencies through over-consumption of refined foods and a lack of specific nutrients in virtually every age group. Nutritional supplements may help prevent these deficiencies, possibly reducing the risk to chronic diseases such as cancer, cardiovascular disease, cataracts, diabetes, hyperinsulinism, inflammatory disorders and osteoporosis. These chronic diseases will increase with our aging population and will continue to stress our over-burdened health care system into the new millennium and beyond.
Research suggests taking certain nutrients may help reduce the risk to several common diseases, including:
· Birth Defects - Folic acid in particular and to a lesser degree vitamin B6, vitamin B12 and antioxidants are important in reducing the risk to birth defects, especially neural tube defects.
· Bone Loss - Osteoporosis is the end stage of bone loss. Osteopenia is the process of losing bone mass and occurs in both men and women, beginning as early as adolescence. Peak bone mass occurs between 20-30 years of age. Nutrients important in slowing or reversing bone loss are calcium, magnesium, copper, boron, silicon, manganese, zinc and vitamins B6, B12, C, D and K and omega-3 fatty acids.
· Blood Sugar Abnormalities and Hyperinsulinism - When there is too much blood sugar (diabetes) or insulin (the hormone that puts sugar into the cell to be used for energy = insulin resistance), there is an increased risk to eye, heart, inflammatory, kidney and nerve problems as well as obesity. Reducing the consumption of high-glycemic-index foods (foods that rapidly convert to glucose, and elevate blood sugar), weight loss and intramyocellular fat (fat in the cell), along with exercise and tailored nutritional supplementation, including antioxidants, chromium, magnesium and vanadium, may help normalize blood sugar and insulin levels, reducing the risk to the adverse effects of poor blood sugar control.
· Cancer - Antioxidants previously mentioned, along with vitamin D and omega-3:6 fatty acid balance, may help reduce the risk to cancer.
· Cardiovascular Disease - Antioxidants, in conjunction with vitamins B1, B6, B12, D, K, folic acid, chromium, potassium and especially magnesium and omega-3 fatty acids, appear to have cardioprotective properties.
· Homocysteine Elevation - Elevated levels of homocysteine (a sulphur-containing amino acid) are associated with heart disease, stroke, birth defects, gynecologic and neurologic disorders. The levels of vitamin B6 (40 mg), B12 (300 mcg) and folic acid (400 mcg) in the Daily MultiVitamin/Mineral can help lower homocysteine levels. It has not been proven yet that normalizing homocysteine levels will limit these diseases.
The best way to use the Daily MultiVitamin/Mineral is in conjunction with a regular exercise program and a whole food diet. Exercise helps control blood sugar, maintain weight and improve mood. It is also important to consume a diet rich in plant-based foods, including vegetables, fruits and low glycemic complex carbohydrates (legumes), nuts and seeds, which contain many additional micronutrients not found in nutritional supplements. An attitude that acknowledges that there are some things that cannot be changed, and looks for the positive aspects of life’s experiences, and, a daily sense of purpose are present in many healthy aging individuals.


Virtually everyone has a family history that includes a chronic illness such as heart disease, diabetes or cancer. You may be concerned that you carry a genetic predisposition to one or more of these diseases. But recent science has shown there’s much you can do to prevent disease, starting with nutrition. The good news is that with optimal nutrition, including dietary supplements, you can rewrite your life story with a happier ending.

Much has been made in the news recently about whether taking a daily multivitamin/mineral (MVM) is a good or a bad idea. Since half of all Americans are already taking MVM’s, the National Institute of Health decided to convene a panel to come to some consensus as to whether this practice is safe and effective against chronic diseases.

There are always two sides to a good debate, and trying to give Americans a one-size-fits-all solution in the form of a multivitamin is no one’s idea of a solution. But one thing I do know from my own clinical experience is that a daily, top-of-the-line multivitamin will not harm you, and it may do you a world of good. At my practice and on a personal level, I see on a regular basis the dramatic positive effect taking a good multivitamin has had on my patients, my family, and my friends.

So why are so many people still unaware of the importance of taking vitamins? Which vitamins do you need and what are the best multivitamins to take? Why are drug companies and doctors often opposed to nutritional supplements? Why is there continued debate over vitamin safety and dosages?

Let’s look at this topic in light of recent studies so that you can take an informed approach.

If you read the NIH panel’s state-of-the-science statement, you’ll see that the findings are inconclusive and that they requested more studies. The mainstream media has spun this to read that the NIH panel’s findings were “insufficient” to recommend multivitamins to the general population. In fact, the panel made no such claim — their own press release simply urged “a more informed approach.” At Women to Women, an informed approach is our standard protocol, including any and all uses of dietary supplements.

We’ve used nutritional supplements and dietary changes as medical therapies for over 20 years. To this day we recommend that every woman take a pharmaceutical-grade vitamin. Yet we agree there are reasons to be concerned about how multivitamins are marketed and used. So let’s talk about what we advocate when it comes to dietary supplements and how we answer women’s questions about the vitamin controversy.

The link between nutrition and chronic diseases

The increase in chronic illnesses is one of the major health stories of our lifetimes. Today seven out of ten Americans will die from the complications of a chronic disease, including heart disease, cancer, obesity, diabetes, depression, metabolic and digestive disorders (including heartburn and acid reflux), rheumatoid arthritis, fibroids, and osteoporosis, to name a few.

(Acute diseases, by contrast, are characterized by rapid onset, are usually treated with antibiotics or surgery and are time-limited.)

Why the dramatic increase in chronic diseases? Clearly we are living longer, and many of us under greater stress, both of which contribute to degenerative conditions. But only recently has the role of nutrition begun to be given its due.

Conventional practitioners treat chronic diseases with an ever-growing array of expensive pharmaceuticals that may temporarily relieve the painful or uncomfortable symptoms, but do nothing to resolve the underlying cause — and may actually cause other serious problems. That’s because conventional medicine is focused on disease screening and drug treatment — ignoring the more powerful approach of disease prevention, especially through nutrition.

What about the role of genetic factors in causing disease? In our view, genetics rarely determine definitively that someone will develop a disease. Instead, you may inherit a genetic predisposition — a kind of vulnerability — that when combined with other factors results in disease. Nutrition is arguably the most important of those factors.

Many of our patients at our medical practice are surprised to learn that their chronic condition or disease can so often be traced to a nutritional deficiency. But the linkage is clear enough. Nutrition affects our immune system, organ function, hormonal balance and cellular metabolism. The nutritional deficiency comes first, followed some years later by symptoms, which lead in time to disease. To make things worse, the whole downward spiral is accompanied by accelerated aging.

Multivitamins and hormonal balance

Our bodies require micronutrients for the non-stop process of synthesizing hormones from simpler molecules. It is simply impossible to achieve and maintain hormonal balance without such support. We have found it helpful to describe hormonal balance to our patients as a kind of symphony in their bodies in which the instruments of the orchestra play together to create health. When some of the players aren’t there, it doesn’t sound right — and you don’t feel good.

Remember that our hormones fluctuate with our circumstances. Cortisol and adrenaline levels rise and fall as we work out stressful situations. Stable insulin levels provide the framework that allows all of our major female hormones to communicate with one another. If nutrients are low or missing, the balance of this communication is undermined. To remain flexible and strong, especially when approaching menopause, we all need to give our hormones the wide array of nutrients they need.

Is it any wonder that so many women wake up to their health problems at mid-life? That’s the really positive change we see in perimenopause and menopause — women wake up to the choices that have given rise to their symptoms, such as poor nutrition — and then take control of their health. Improving dietary choices is a good start, but you need a pharmaceutical-grade vitamin, too. Let’s find out why.

Why ordinary nutrition isn’t enough

Americans appear to be so well fed, it seems impossible that we aren’t getting enough nutrients. But study after study has shown that most of us don’t get adequate amounts of key vitamins and minerals. One of the consequences is the increase in chronic diseases. Beyond that, many of us are living longer, but feeling worse: our quality of life is suffering as we age. We are also seeing chronic diseases manifest in younger and younger people — children are now routinely seen with “adult” diseases like diabetes and high blood pressure — which arise from the insulin resistance caused by modern diets.

How can it be true that ordinary nutrition is not enough? It’s partly a quantity-versus-quality problem. Most of us aren’t eating enough of the right things. We eat a lot of what I would call non-food: fast food, over-processed food, food with highly refined sugar, simple carbohydrates, preservatives, and large quantities of trans fats. We ingest stimulants that actually get in the way of our bodies’ ability to absorb vitamins and minerals.

Another reason is that our fishing and farming methods have changed drastically. In the past our harvests fully embodied the vital nutrients of the soil and sea, and those nutrients nourished us fully. Now we pump pesticides, inorganic feeds and fertilizers, and waste–treated water to grow a lot of food quickly and cheaply in soil and water that would otherwise be unable to support life. These practices produce crops that are big and colorful but nutritionally depleted, sometimes harmful, and mostly tasteless, too! (Think of what store-bought tomatoes taste like now compared to when you were a child.)

Research has verified that crops cultivated using organic methods are not only free of the toxins our bodies don’t need, but superior in the micronutrients we do. For example, routine application of organophosphate fertilizers over the past 50 years has decreased the calcium content of conventionally grown broccoli to one-sixth what was it was in the 1950’s. But until we as a society put our money where our mouths are and wholly support sustainable agriculture, the benefits of organic food will remain available only at a premium to the determined few. And in the meantime, doesn’t it seem like supplements are an affordable stop-gap?

We also import our food from vast distances, so it must be variously wrapped, coated and sprayed chemically to keep it from spoiling. We buy lettuce in a bag because it’s easier than washing it. But did you know that pre-bagged salad greens go through “post-harvest processing” in which the greens are exposed to a variety of gases before the bag is sealed to ensure crispness for weeks? (These gases, by the way, are not required to be disclosed as preservatives.) By the time you make your salad, the vital enzyme activity of those greens is only a memory. It may seem like a generalization, but buying local food in season, when you can, makes good sense.

Another factor is dieting for weight loss. Almost half of all American women are on some kind of diet at any given time. Many of these diets rob the body of vital nutrients. And yo-yo dieting (weight loss followed by weight gain, and then another cycle of weight loss) is a major source of stress for our bodies.

The link between stress and nutrition

On top of our questionable diet, our bodies face an onslaught of external stressors that are beyond our control. Whether environmental or emotional, these stresses are far beyond what our bodies were designed to deal with — and they increase the gap between our bodies’ nutritional needs and the vitamins and minerals that are available in our diets.

Let’s start with the environmental issues. Toxic chemicals, air pollution, radiation, artificial polymers, hormones in our meat and dairy, and pesticides and chlorine in our drinking water are just a few of the man-made hazards we all face. Fast-food hamburgers have been shown to contain traces of over 100 pesticides. Even the common practice of microwaving in plastic containers imbues our food with toxins. From whatever the source, these chemicals burden our liver with the task of detoxifying, a process that uses up some of our stores of essential nutrients.

We also have the extraordinary stresses of everyday life: children, spouses, work, friends, parents — a host of obligations and expectations! Stress has been shown to deplete nutrients and suppress immune function. That’s in part because stress produces cortisol, and sustained high levels of cortisol are very detrimental to the body and the brain. It’s why we see so many women in our clinic with adrenal fatigue. And there’s no doubt in my mind that the level of stress women deal with today is unprecedented.

So stress compounds the insult of poor nutrition in the modern diet. If the deficiency is sudden we can get very sick very quickly. But more often the nutritional deficiency wears us down bit by bit, and we slowly, steadily deteriorate. Eventually we show signs of accelerated aging and chronic disease. This is why so many of us crash and burn in perimenopause. Our problems will persist and likely worsen unless and until we consistently get the essential nutrients we need. This is why nutritional supplements can make such a dramatic difference for women at mid-life.

The role of nutritional supplements

Between the poor nutritional quality of our diets and the nutritional burdens added by modern stressors, you can understand why we tell every woman who walks through our doors that she should be taking pharmaceutical-grade vitamins every day. This small step translates into a huge leap for our bodies, which after all are miraculously good at healing injury and preventing illness if they are given adequate support.

And mainstream medicine is beginning to catch on. A 2002 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association stated that a lack of certain vitamins “is a risk factor for chronic diseases and common in the general population.” The report continues, “Most people do not consume an optimal amount of all vitamins by diet alone. It appears prudent for all adults to take vitamin supplements.”

So why don’t we all know this? Well, as many as half of us already take some form of dietary supplement. So the obvious question is: Why don’t the other half take multivitamins too? The less obvious question is just as important: Why aren’t the people who do take multivitamins clearly healthier than those who don’t?

Many people don’t take multivitamins because they believe that doctors oppose dietary supplements. Their doctors may have discouraged them from using supplements in the past. In fact, there are good reasons why doctors are often hesitant to endorse the use of dietary supplements, and it is a good idea to understand why. Click here to read about the reasons doctors are concerned about dietary supplements.

Remember also that not all nutritional supplements are alike. This is one reason doctors are so skeptical about their use. Please click here to learn how to choose a multivitamin.

Our Personal Program is a great place to start

The Personal Program promotes natural hormonal balance with nutritional supplements, our exclusive endocrine support formula, dietary and lifestyle guidance, and optional phone consultations with our Nurse–Educators. It is a convenient, at-home version of what we recommend to all our patients at the clinic.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »
Speaking of raping language, this thread title could be sneakishly "mod-ified" to Why do people still use dictionaries if you can break all the rules?
Language always comes down to whether the 'message' has been communicated. If it has, well done. After that, one can be pedantic - as we are wont to do. You can be 'snobby' and earth-bound like me in your use of words, or you can flit and fly like a Nabokov, to whom there are no limits to the word's range.    :)  

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #95 on: July 17, 2011, 07:54:58 PM »
A recommendation.




How does language work? How do children learn their mother tongue? Why do languages change over time, making Chaucer's English almost incomprehensible? Steven Pinker explains the profound mysteries of language by picking a deceptively simple single phenomenon and examining it from every angle. That phenomenon - the existence of regular and irregular verbs - connects an astonishing array of topics in the sciences and humanities: the history of languages; the illuminating errors of children as they begin to speak; the sources of the major themes in the history of Western philosophy; the latest techniques in identifying genes and imaging the living brain. Pinker makes sense of all of this with the help of a single, powerful idea: that language comprises a mental dictionary of memorized words and a mental grammar of creative rules
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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #96 on: July 17, 2011, 07:56:05 PM »
http://fora.tv/2008/09/12/Steven_Pinker_The_Stuff_of_Thought#fullprogram

Click that and then click number 9-Adherence to Grammar Rules.


Steven Pinker, who happens to sit on the board of the Oxford Dictionary, will explain to you fully why these rules are not finite and why they do not mean a thing.

Not contradicting you actually. I understand that language is an everchanging/fluent thing. No right or wrong per say, just the consensus...

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #97 on: July 17, 2011, 07:56:06 PM »
Nothing wrong with MRP's or protein replacement when you can't get all whole food meal in.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #98 on: July 17, 2011, 07:59:12 PM »
I take fish oil, starflower oil and creatine(creapure). That's it.

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Re: Why do people still take Supplements?
« Reply #99 on: July 17, 2011, 08:02:33 PM »
Language always comes down to whether the 'message' has been communicated. If it has, well done. After that, one can be pedantic - as we are wont to do. You can be 'snobby' and earth-bound like me in your use of words, or you can flit and fly like a Nabokov, to whom there are no limits to the word's range.    :)  
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