Steve Wynn: Economy and Nation will not recover until Obama is gone.

[OzmO]

Under 50 employee businesses only accounts for 25% of the workforce.  Which is likely owned by many of those people you identitfy making 250k per year.  

I don't have a problem with people making money, never have.  I don t consider a person making 250k rich.  They are upper middle class.  

But when companies like exxon and GE post billions in tax free profit and UE gets higher which reality is much higher because of the UEB extentions, it's time to stop buying into the all the political spectrum bull shit.  We are getting fucked. Period.  

[Straw Man]

Under 50 employee businesses only accounts for 25% of the workforce.  Which is likely owned by many of those people you identitfy making 250k per year.  

I don't have a problem with people making money, never have.  I don t consider a person making 250k rich.  They are upper middle class.  

But when companies like exxon and GE post billions in tax free profit and UE gets higher which reality is much higher because of the UEB extentions, it's time to stop buying into the all the political spectrum bull shit.  We are getting fucked. Period.  

especially when those very same companies have admitted to sitting on billions of dollars and are not willing to do anything with the money.

these are the "people" we need to give even more money to in the form of tax breaks......so they can just sit on that too?

[Soul Crusher]

especially when those very same companies have admitted to sitting on billions of dollars and are not willing to do anything with the money.

these are the "people" we need to give even more money to in the form of tax breaks......so they can just sit on that too?

Why are they unwilling to commit this money to investment? 

[Straw Man]

Why are they unwilling to commit this money to investment? 

no demand for increased investment

it's no different than your business

If you saw an increase in demand you would hire more people to take advantage of the increased demand

[Soul Crusher]

no demand for increased investment

it's no different than your business

If you saw an increase in demand you would hire more people to take advantage of the increased demand

And why is there no demand? 

[Straw Man]

And why is there no demand? 

which industry are we talking about

casinos?

[Soul Crusher]

which industry are we talking about

casinos?

General economy?


I'll tell you why, its because the average schmuck has seen their earnings and savings stolen by the disgusting pofs govt YOU SUPPORT run by obama, bernake, geithner, the federal reserve, etc who have intentionally engaged on a course of inflation, devaluing the dollar, and spiking commodity prices. 

The slave masters you support are worse than thieves.     

[Straw Man]

General economy?


I'll tell you why, its because the average schmuck has seen their earnings and savings stolen by the disgusting pofs govt YOU SUPPORT run by obama, bernake, geithner, the federal reserve, etc who have intentionally engaged on a course of inflation, devaluing the dollar, and spiking commodity prices. 

The slave masters you support are worse than thieves.     

you think the average person (who is now receiving 2 tax cuts from the Dems/Obama) is hoarding their money and not spending it at Wynn's casino because they are angry at Obama, Bernake, et al?

are you joking man

I guess if we could just create "certainty" for guys like Wynn then his customers would find out about it and start showing up

that's how it works right?

[Soul Crusher]

you think the average person (who is now receiving 2 tax cuts from the Dems/Obama) is hoarding their money and not spending it at Wynn's casino because they are angry at Obama, Bernake, et al?

are you joking man

I guess if we could just create "certainty" for guys like Wynn then his customers would find out about it and start showing up

that's how it works right?

ha ha ha ha!!!!!


Are you fucking kidding?   Damn you are fucking dumb - no really dumb. 

Obama tax "cut"  - $6 dollars a week. 

Obama elected - gas $2  a gallon.  now - $4 dollars gallon.   Lets say the average use is 10 gallons a week, which is low.   


Do the fucking math moron.   

[Straw Man]

ha ha ha ha!!!!!


Are you fucking kidding?   Damn you are fucking dumb - no really dumb. 

Obama tax "cut"  - $6 dollars a week. 

Obama elected - gas $2  a gallon.  now - $4 dollars gallon.   Lets say the average use is 10 gallons a week, which is low.   


Do the fucking math moron.   

Do you also remember in the summer or 2008 it was $4.50 + and then as banks started to fail, companies started to hemorrage jobs and it appeared that we were on the verge of a global financial meltdown that the people who trade and manipulate the oil markets assumed demand would collapse and so the market sold off

do you remember any of that?

now explain to us how removing perceived uncertinty for billionares like Wynn is going to get those same consumers to suddenly want to spend money in his casino .

[Soul Crusher]

Do you also remember in the summer or 2008 it was $4.50 + and then as banks started to fail, companies started to hemorrage jobs and it appeared that we were on the verge of a global financial meltdown that the people who trade and manipulate the oil markets assumed demand would collapse and so the market sold off

do you remember any of that?

now explain to us how removing perceived uncertinty for billionares like Wynn is going to get those same consumers to suddenly want to spend money in his casino .

did you watch the clip?   



Its the entire economy that obama is the typhoid mary over.   Its Wynns' subs, their subs, their suppliers, the people who go to casinos, everyone. 


Your messiah is literally the black plague over the economy.   everything he goes near gets infected and dies.   He is the wet blanket over the nation, like I said from day 1. 


But oh yeah, Straw knows more than Wynn, who voted for obama and is a demo himself.   lmfao!!!!   

[Straw Man]

did you watch the clip?   


Its the entire economy that obama is the typhoid mary over.   Its Wynns' subs, their subs, their suppliers, the people who go to casinos, everyone. 


Your messiah is literally the black plague over the economy.   everything he goes near gets infected and dies.   He is the wet blanket over the nation, like I said from day 1. 


But oh yeah, Straw knows more than Wynn, who voted for obama and is a demo himself.   lmfao!!!!   

my first post was commenting on the clip

[Kazan]

exactly why the goverment (and the economy) get a return of greater than a dollar for every dollar spent on things like unemployment, public work programs etc.. and get almost nothing in return by giving millionares tax cuts

So you just aren't going to address the fact that tax rates haven't changed? So tell me how exactly the rich are getting richer on these non existent tax cuts. More of the same BS, only the federal government avoids responsibility for its failures. Well shit the trillion spent on the stimulus failed, so lets double down. The education system sucks, so lets throw yet more money at it Everytime the government fails they use it to justify making the government bigger. Every where else failure gets you a pink slip in the government it gets you more money to continue the same failed bullshit

[OzmO]

So you just aren't going to address the fact that tax rates haven't changed? So tell me how exactly the rich are getting richer on these non existent tax cuts. More of the same BS, only the federal government avoids responsibility for its failures. Well shit the trillion spent on the stimulus failed, so lets double down. The education system sucks, so lets throw yet more money at it Everytime the government fails they use it to justify making the government bigger. Every where else failure gets you a pink slip in the government it gets you more money to continue the same failed bullshit

The stimulus failed and who is left with the pain?

[Kazan]

The stimulus failed and who is left with the pain?

Who pushed the stimulus? I seem to remember someone saying that unemployment would not go over 8%. The stimulus is nothing more than a slush fund for unions, which strangely enough gets funneled back to the politicians via donations. What happened to all the shovel ready projects? Face it the stimulus was a scam to prop up state governments, and pay off unions and other big donors. Who's left with the pain? The tax payer of course, but lets argue about what Palin or Bachman said in a church 5 years ago. The tax payer got bent over and dry fucked by the stimulus. What pisses me off the most is the fact that America is so full of functional retards and welfare zombies that we aren't marching on DC and throwing these fuckers out of office for the grand theft perpetrated against the American tax payer.

[Soul Crusher]

The stimulus failed and who is left with the pain?

The idiot taxpayer who is sitting with higher commodity prices, lower value of the dollar, less purchasing prices, and a worse economy.


I called this shit from Day 1.  


 

[OzmO]

The idiot taxpayer who is sitting with higher commodity prices, lower value of the dollar, less purchasing prices, and a worse economy.

I called this shit from Day 1.  

You did.  I wasn't so sure at the time, mainly because I had little understanding of what was going on. 

But we are really fucked now. 

[OzmO]

Who pushed the stimulus? I seem to remember someone saying that unemployment would not go over 8%. The stimulus is nothing more than a slush fund for unions, which strangely enough gets funneled back to the politicians via donations. What happened to all the shovel ready projects? Face it the stimulus was a scam to prop up state governments, and pay off unions and other big donors. Who's left with the pain? The tax payer of course, but lets argue about what Palin or Bachman said in a church 5 years ago. The tax payer got bent over and dry fucked by the stimulus. What pisses me off the most is the fact that America is so full of functional retards and welfare zombies that we aren't marching on DC and throwing these fuckers out of office for the grand theft perpetrated against the American tax payer.

We argue about all kinds of shit all the time.  That's part of the draw of the board.  If something is posted I don't agree with I say something, and sometimes a debate ensues.

The thing about this, who is really here that will argue the stimulus worked?  It's hard to argue about something must people agree was a failure. 

[Soul Crusher]

You did.  I wasn't so sure at the time, mainly because I had little understanding of what was going on. 

But we are really fucked now. 

Yes we are.   Devalued dollar, higher commodity prices, less jobs, less labor particpation rate, no new infrastructure for all that money, etc. 

Like I told straw above- the so called 'tax break" was utter bullshit since those $6 a week were lost in the added inflation we all had to absorb due to the Fed Printing scam required to fund the stim bill in the first place.   

[Kazan]

We argue about all kinds of shit all the time.  That's part of the draw of the board.  If something is posted I don't agree with I say something, and sometimes a debate ensues.

The thing about this, who is really here that will argue the stimulus worked?  It's hard to argue about something must people agree was a failure. 

The Stimulus was much more than a failure, it was grand theft.

[OzmO]

Yes we are.   Devalued dollar, higher commodity prices, less jobs, less labor particpation rate, no new infrastructure for all that money, etc. 

Like I told straw above- the so called 'tax break" was utter bullshit since those $6 a week were lost in the added inflation we all had to absorb due to the Fed Printing scam required to fund the stim bill in the first place.   

And our roads are crumbling, sewage, fresh water problems, crime etc... 

[Soul Crusher]

The Stimulus was much more than a failure, it was grand theft.

Stim Bill was a monumental theft and heist.  

It stole money from taxpayers in the form of future taxes and present inflation in order to keep unsustainable govt spending going on both the fed and state level.  

Now that the scam is ending, states are forced to lay people off when they should have been forced to do so two years ago instead of being granted two more years to piss away money on bloated budgets, bloated salaries, bloated agencies, etc.    

[OzmO]

Stim Bill was a monumental theft and heist.  

It stole money from taxpayers in the form of future taxes and present inflation in order to keep unsustainable govt spending going on both the fed and state level.  

Now that the scam is ending, states are forced to lay people off when they should have been forced to do so two years ago instead of being granted two more years to piss away money on bloated budgets, bloated salaries, bloated agencies, etc.    

So basically we are 2 years behind a recovery and trillions more in debt. 

[Kazan]

So basically we are 2 years behind a recovery and trillions more in debt. 

Atleast 2 years, and its only going to get worse when Obamacare really kicks in, strange how that bill is all back ended until after the 2012 elections

[OzmO]

Atleast 2 years, and its only going to get worse when Obamacare really kicks in, strange how that bill is all back ended until after the 2012 elections

So the supreme court isn't going to declare it unconstitutional?