gh15 what do you think of franco.

[Figo]

Same here, first guy i used to get gear from was a former Mr California who started out in the 70's, he would take 100 tabs of 5mg Dianabol per day, i saw him take them many times when we ate lunch or dinner together, he would also inject 1 amp of Primobolan, 2 amps of Sust and 2 amps of Deca per day at least, that was just his cruising cycle, said he learned it from guys in the 70's and had been following it for more than 25 years,he like Halo a lot too guy was 240lb of solid muscle at 5,9

to clarify, he did this per day as his cruising cycle:

500mg dbol
1 amp primo
2 amps sust
2 amps deca

and he did more when "on", and for 25 yrs?


Jeebus!

[WillGrant]

to clarify, he did this per day as his cruising cycle:

500mg dbol
1 amp primo
2 amps sust
2 amps deca

and he did more when "on", and for 25 yrs?


Jeebus!

Sounds like a real BB 

[Schmoe Buster]

to clarify, he did this per day as his cruising cycle:

500mg dbol
1 amp primo
2 amps sust
2 amps deca

and he did more when "on", and for 25 yrs?


Jeebus!

From what he told me and from what i saw, yes, dbol he cycled, the injects im pretty sure he was on something year round

[Figo]

From what he told me and from what i saw, yes, dbol he cycled, the injects im pretty sure he was on something year round

do you believe it? I mean, you knew him

what the hell was he on when he did a big cycle?!

and how the hell could he afford it, even from a discount pharmacy in mexico, still a lot!

fuck, did he look good? monster?

[pellius]

  This is simply not possible. Dbol is an alpha-alkylated steroid, which means it passes through the liver at least twice before being broken down. No Human liver could survive this for more than a week or so. Maybe a hypopotamus' liver.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Wrong again, Stupid.

[pellius]

Again you show how little experience you have. I have seen the above done with my own eyes. And I haven't even seen a case of jaundice. Heart burn and headache were the side effects.

Now, the 7500mg of dbol per day that Dr Kerr mentioned is something that's BS.

Suckymuscle is so beneath your intellect that is almost diminishes your standing here to even address him directly. I will PM Stupid and have him direct questions to me and I will forward them to you if deemed worthy. Other than that please ignore him. Leave him to me. I can get Stupid to melt at will.

[pellius]

If it's true that some guys like Arnold trained for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week then it wasn't hard training. The intensity or density, whatever you want to call it, simply cannot be high. Train your legs as hard as you can for 4 hours and you wont be back the next day, nor the next week. Big chance of ending up in the ER with rhabdo instead.

Again your genius shines through. Author Jones use to point out how intensity and duration are inversely proportional. You can train very hard or very long but not both. It's like the difference between sprinting and jogging. Full on sprint your staying power is measure in seconds. Jogging can be measured in hours. For muscular hypertrophy intensity is a more important factor as seen in the difference in physique between a sprinter and a marathon runner. One has sleek muscularity. The other looks likes a one just released from a concentration camp.

What's rhabdo?

[pellius]

  Again, VanBilderASS, 400 mg of d-bol is not possible for continued use. Sure, you can take this amount one day and survive. You can take it for 2 or even 3 days, and even though you will probably suffer from jaundice and become very sick, you will survive. But continuously? No. Just no. Period. End of discussion. The liver of a Human Being would be cirrhotic after a couple weeks taking this amount of d-bol daily. It is simply not possible. Period...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yes, end of discussion. You're wrong again, Stupid.

[Secret Stack]

What's rhabdo?

Disease or condition (whatever the proper term), of muscle wasting away.

[Schmoe Buster]

do you believe it? I mean, you knew him

what the hell was he on when he did a big cycle?!

and how the hell could he afford it, even from a discount pharmacy in mexico, still a lot!

fuck, did he look good? monster?

Yes i believe it, i saw him take dbol al the time, he would take 10 tabs 5 times per day, total of 100 tabs

just to clarify, that was his standard cycle, he might replace Deca with Tren of Equipona if he was going to compete, but the bread and butter was Primo,Sust,Deca with Dbol cycled on and off

he could afford it as his wife owned a pharmacy and he was dealing (he is American but lived in a country where its all legal)

he told me a good cutting stack was

Primo depot 700mg per week, Winstrol tabs 100mg per day, Halo 20-50mg per day (less for little guys more for bigger guys)

GH he never used over 6iu per day, i remember he used Jintropin mostly, this is going back a few years.

He told me about Grorm the USSR cadavar GH that was available in the early 80's, gh15 has mentioned it before

Said Negma Parabolin was the best Tren ever

Was the only persion ive ever had tell me that Primo Acetate tabs are really good

Old school hard training, and diet was low carb high protein, lots of beef and chicken and eggs

The guy at his best was 240lb and ripped and dense as fuck, he looked like a bigger version of 80's pro Johnny Fuller but with a Ronnie Coleman shaped head

[Figo]

SB,

thats crazy stuff, wow, this guy had a very good system to handle that boatload, helps to have a wife in pharma industry

well, thats pretty much what Ive been saying, that back then 70's they did the same shit, abuse everything, but this dosage is insane!

thanks for sharing

[pellius]

Yes i believe it, i saw him take dbol al the time, he would take 10 tabs 5 times per day, total of 100 tabs

just to clarify, that was his standard cycle, he might replace Deca with Tren of Equipona if he was going to compete, but the bread and butter was Primo,Sust,Deca with Dbol cycled on and off

he could afford it as his wife owned a pharmacy and he was dealing (he is American but lived in a country where its all legal)

he told me a good cutting stack was

Primo depot 700mg per week, Winstrol tabs 100mg per day, Halo 20-50mg per day (less for little guys more for bigger guys)

GH he never used over 6iu per day, i remember he used Jintropin mostly, this is going back a few years.

He told me about Grorm the USSR cadavar GH that was available in the early 80's, gh15 has mentioned it before

Said Negma Parabolin was the best Tren ever

Was the only persion ive ever had tell me that Primo Acetate tabs are really good

Old school hard training, and diet was low carb high protein, lots of beef and chicken and eggs

The guy at his best was 240lb and ripped and dense as fuck, he looked like a bigger version of 80's pro Johnny Fuller but with a Ronnie Coleman shaped head

That's the exact look I'm going for! Heavy price to pay, though.

[Schmoe Buster]

SB,

thats crazy stuff, wow, this guy had a very good system to handle that boatload, helps to have a wife in pharma industry

well, thats pretty much what Ive been saying, that back then 70's they did the same shit, abuse everything, but this dosage is insane!

thanks for sharing

Just passing on what i heard and saw, one i forgot to mention, he told me he got into competitive bodybuilding when he met Robby Robinson and Pete Grymkowski in the 70's, well we've all heard the stories of Pete taking whole bottles of orals in one go and despite what that lying choco face Robby says he was built on Deca and Primo

I dont think the cycle is too crazy comparing what guys are doing today, just that Deca and Primo dont seem as popular anymore, but the weekly total adds up to

Sust 3.5 gram per week
Primo 700mg per week
Deca 1400mg per week

So just over 5 grams, and this is a guy who competed and placed very high in the North American championships as a super heavy in his late 40's

I think the Dbol amounts are what shock people as today everyone thinks orals are the devil and cycles should be short and 50mg of Dbol is enough
I did ask him why he took so much Dbol and his answer was, if you want to keep growing you need more gear and more food, what gets you to a lean 200lbs wont get you to a lean 220lbs, something to think about

There is another guy who posts on this forum called Bladerunner, he knows this guy too and he can confirm what i posted

[Schmoe Buster]

That's the exact look I'm going for! Heavy price to pay, though.

The physique yes but that kind of ugly head

[suckmymuscle]

Yes, end of discussion. You're wrong again, Stupid.

  Cry mooooooore!!! Cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy moooooore!!!!!!!!!!! Cry more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooore!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Secret Stack]

 Cry mooooooore!!! Cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy moooooore!!!!!!!!!!! Cry more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooore!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

the effort you go to compared to pellius posts are the ones crying.

epic going for the "change font" tab, then repetitive typing of the same word over and over = more effort

[io856]

Regardless of other physiological effects of the incredible hepatoxic effect from such large dosage consider the direct implications on the bodybuilding endevour...

Loss of appetite
Incredible lethargy
Headaches
Extreme high blood pressure
Malaise

I think the bodybuilders involved would have made an inductive decision as to lower dosage quickly. The short term detrimental effects described above would surely have a direct impact on the ability to improve.

[Figo]

The physique yes but that kind of ugly head

black guy?

[Schmoe Buster]

black guy?

Yes

[JP_RC]

By the 70's use was escalating, but the doses GH talks about were not common, even in the 80's.  I  dont know why people are talking about test- it was not common in the 70's- it was regarded as a harsh drug-remember steroids were invented to improve upon test for medical uses.   60's was all DBol, 70's DBol, Deca Durabolin, Durabolin, Primobolin were the  most common. 80's throw in Anavar, Winstrol. Anadrol. Insulin was un heard of before Tim Belknap- and he was diabetic. Synthetic GH was not even available yet and the organic form could carry diseaase and was not highly regarded. So heavy DBol for some- yes..  but even Larry Scott was packing 210 lbs on 15 mg of Dbol a day- training your ass off and slamming down high quality protein was key then.

Good, at least one post from someone who was around back then.

LOL at the folks who thinks the pros of yesteryears were on minimal doses.

LOL at all the people in this thread, like you, that weren't even born or were just kids back then, but know all the drugs the pros did. 

[Coach is Back!]

@ Pellis...rhabdo is when muscle fibers break down so much it starts getting absorbed in the blood stream. You see a lot of cases of rhabdo in gimmicks like crossfit.

[Van_Bilderass]

Again your genius shines through. Author Jones use to point out how intensity and duration are inversely proportional. You can train very hard or very long but not both. It's like the difference between sprinting and jogging. Full on sprint your staying power is measure in seconds. Jogging can be measured in hours. For muscular hypertrophy intensity is a more important factor as seen in the difference in physique between a sprinter and a marathon runner. One has sleek muscularity. The other looks likes a one just released from a concentration camp.

What's rhabdo?

Yes, Arthur was right in saying that you can either train hard or you can train long. I remember what you said about Mike Mentzer's articles getting you thinking about training orthodoxy. It was the same for me. Later I learned that Mike was really off on many things... but he got me thinking.

There's an enormous amount of pacing involved in typical bodybuilding training.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis

This was a very strange recent case

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/01/iowa-13-football-players-rhabdomyolsis/1

[Van_Bilderass]

 Again, VanBilderASS, 400 mg of d-bol is not possible for continued use. Sure, you can take this amount one day and survive. You can take it for 2 or even 3 days, and even though you will probably suffer from jaundice and become very sick, you will survive. But continuously? No. Just no. Period. End of discussion. The liver of a Human Being would be cirrhotic after a couple weeks taking this amount of d-bol daily. It is simply not possible. Period...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I want to note that I'm not recommending heavy use of orals since some think saying the truth is the same as endorsing something.

But I've seen it done. That Mimnaugh fella who used to post here has said he takes 500mg of dbol the week before PL meets and I don't think he's lying.

Suckymuscle is so beneath your intellect that is almost diminishes your standing here to even address him directly. I will PM Stupid and have him direct questions to me and I will forward them to you if deemed worthy. Other than that please ignore him. Leave him to me. I can get Stupid to melt at will.

Didn't he admit to being a gimmick shared account a while back?

[Coach is Back!]

If it's true that some guys like Arnold trained for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week then it wasn't hard training. The intensity or density, whatever you want to call it, simply cannot be high. Train your legs as hard as you can for 4 hours and you wont be back the next day, nor the next week. Big chance of ending up in the ER with rhabdo instead.

If you remember back then even though some did train for 3-4 hours per day, it was split up, morning and afternoon or evening. Legs that I can recall rarely lasted over 2 hours. Big body parts were done opposing ex; Chest in the morning, Back in the evening. Doubt very much rhabdo could have occured..not saying it didn't happen but I've never heard of anyone from that era going to the ER from training.

[Van_Bilderass]

If you remember back then even though some did train for 3-4 hours per day, it was split up, morning and afternoon or evening. Legs that I can recall rarely lasted over 2 hours. Big body parts were done opposing ex; Chest in the morning, Back in the evening. Doubt very much rhabdo could have occured..not saying it didn't happen but I've never heard of anyone from that era going to the ER from training.

Yeah, I just think that there's automatically a lot of pacing going on with volume training. You just can't do each set as if your life depended on it, unlike what Arnold and the magazines said. If you did, that's where you'd find yourself sick.

What do you think about a guy like Branch Warren? Does he train hard? I think he does, at least in the videos I've seen. Say what you will about his form but he goes pretty hard.