gh15 what do you think of franco.

[Coach is Back!]

Yeah, I just think that there's automatically a lot of pacing going on with volume training. You just can't do each set as if your life depended on it, unlike what Arnold and the magazines said. If you did, that's where you'd find yourself sick.

What do you think about a guy like Branch Warren? Does he train hard? I think he does, at least in the videos I've seen. Say what you will about his form but he goes pretty hard.

Personally I like the way Branch trains, same with Ronnie and Johnny Jackson. The only thing I don't like is the limited ROM on some of the lifts. But from what I've seen they train hard and heavy, very old school. I love watching the Metroflex gym training and the gym itself.

[Stavios]

Personally I like the way Branch trains, same with Ronnie and Johnny Jackson. The only thing I don't like is the limited ROM on some of the lifts. But from what I've seen they train hard and heavy, very old school. I love watching the Metroflex gym training and the gym itself.

I like it also but when I train like that my elbows and knees hurt a lot

I prefer training Milos's way (no homo) for my weak joints

[Van_Bilderass]

I like it also but when I train like that my elbows and knees hurt a lot

I prefer training Milos's way (no homo) for my weak joints

Not this type of Milos training though. 

"On Jan. 12, 2002, I had a devastating knee injury," recounts Milos. "I was doing a 950-pound hack squat, and my patellar tendon on my right knee literally exploded." Hours of surgery and several months of rehab later, the knee wasn't healing well. "They had reattached the kneecap incorrectly, so it wasn't tracking straight," he says, "I wasn't making progress in either rehab or in the gym and was in constant pain." So it was back to the operating table, this time for surgery on both knees. "The other knee had also been damaged, incurring a partial ligament tear," Milos states. "So I had the kneecap corrected and the other knee reconstructed and was pretty much at the mercy of my wife [Milamar Flores] for four weeks!"

[Stavios]

Not this type of Milos training though.  

lmao of course not !

I had good numbers a few years ago tho, I was much stronger than I am not (well probably not I just don't "try" to go heavy"

sometimes my knees hurt so much what I need to wrap both of them the whole day.

I think the beyond failure training might have fucked them up more than anything, but damn I loved doing the leg extensions drop sets  

I train around it now, so pretty shitty leg workouts these days.

I train them 3 times a week to make up for it

[notsureifsrs]

Not this type of Milos training though. 

i don't get it... what's the reason for bodybuilder to hack squat 950lb ?

[Stavios]

i don't get it... what's the reason for bodybuilder to hack squat 950lb ?

1- to build muscle
2- to show off
3- to brag about it on Getbig

[Figo]

1- to build muscle
2- to show off
3- to brag about it on Getbig

I think JP Fux was going for nr 3

[JP_RC]

Again your genius shines through. Author Jones use to point out how intensity and duration are inversely proportional. You can train very hard or very long but not both. It's like the difference between sprinting and jogging. Full on sprint your staying power is measure in seconds. Jogging can be measured in hours. For muscular hypertrophy intensity is a more important factor as seen in the difference in physique between a sprinter and a marathon runner. One has sleek muscularity. The other looks likes a one just released from a concentration camp.

What's rhabdo?

I never understood what the sprinting/jogging analogy had to do with weight training as far as intensity is concerned?  
Even less with the HIT/Jones dogma for a few reasons:
1. What sprinter ever sprints to failure? None that I know of
2. I think sprinters do multiple sprints in their workouts, sprint/rest and so on, which is actually similar to weight training: work set/rest,  set/rest and so on.

So the idea of "you can't do more than one intense set" and the analogy HIT proponents use of sprinters/joggers is faulty, because sprinting is has more things in common with multiple set weight training, in the sense that both are anaerobic blast/rest and repeat. And jogging does not have anything in common with volume weight training.

[pellius]

the effort you go to compared to pellius posts are the ones crying.

epic going for the "change font" tab, then repetitive typing of the same word over and over = more effort

LOL!

Like I said, I can make the genius super soldier melt at will. And it's gotten to a point where the 250 IQ gorilla expert is at a lost of words so has to keep reposting his same meltdown response.

That's why I like Stupid so much. He makes it so easy.

Hi Stupid!

[pellius]

@ Pellis...rhabdo is when muscle fibers break down so much it starts getting absorbed in the blood stream. You see a lot of cases of rhabdo in gimmicks like crossfit.

I PMed Suckymuscle the question because he's a genius with a 250 IQ and he told me that it was just a misspelling of Rambo.

You're IQ is probably just 185 or so but I'm going to go with your answer because Sucky just seems stupid even though he's a genius.

[gh15]

Personally I like the way Branch trains, same with Ronnie and Johnny Jackson. The only thing I don't like is the limited ROM on some of the lifts. But from what I've seen they train hard and heavy, very old school. I love watching the Metroflex gym training and the gym itself.

you really dont know anything about training eh?,, how did they give you certificate ? branch waren is prime exampel of all drugs ,, he doesnt even begin! to look like a serious fella,, he is drugs that result in high like narcotics that create the type of training he does which ofcourse doesnt do nothing aside from injurry,, there is how we used to train the big boys back then quietly lifting heavy ...and then there is this gizmo who walk with chains and really dont train the muscle,,

branch waren is maybe the worst! when it come to training ,, the worst!

gh15 approved

[Coach is Back!]

Anytime you want to go head to head about training knowledge just say the word.

[pellius]

Yes, Arthur was right in saying that you can either train hard or you can train long. I remember what you said about Mike Mentzer's articles getting you thinking about training orthodoxy. It was the same for me. Later I learned that Mike was really off on many things... but he got me thinking.

There's an enormous amount of pacing involved in typical bodybuilding training.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis

This was a very strange recent case

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/01/iowa-13-football-players-rhabdomyolsis/1

Yes, that's what I credit Mentzer the most for. Making me think and think critically about bodybuilding.  I was able to use that critical thinking to help me determine that he went crazy after the 1980 Mr. O and never recovered. His ideas after that were pretty wacky.

Great mustache, though. Even surpassed Ed Corney and Roger Callard in his prime.

I remember that article on the football players. I wanted to bookmark it and investigate more but forgot to. Thanks.

[BILL ANVIL]

  This is simply not possible. Dbol is an alpha-alkylated steroid, which means it passes through the liver at least twice before being broken down. No Human liver could survive this for more than a week or so. Maybe a hypopotamus' liver.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Wow you really do know everything.

[Viking11]

Back in Scotts day it was way different from now.  You simply cant use TODAY's context and apply it to the past. Thats  just short sighted and narcissistic.  Back in the day,  Scott, and the others in Venice actually had a sit down one evening and discussed the pros and cons of going from ONE 5 mg pill to TWO.  This was part of bodybuilding history. Whether or not to double it.. Yes it seems like very little now, but at the time it seemed like a big deal.  

[Viking11]

Mentzer also published his cycle after the 79 Olmypia. Again it was a different era, and to those used to what he openly called "nightmarish drug doses by IFBB pros- regarding the drug use in the 90's", that gives you an insight.  He typicaly started his pre contest cyle with a 100 mg inj of Durabolin,  150 mg if Deca . The Deca was repeated every 10 days with no more than 5 DBol a day.  And yes he told me when I asked. He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything.  He also trained like a maniac when in contest training and dieted very hard, along with some great genetics.  (And speed didnt come into the picture til 1980 for the cynics out there)

[no one]

Yes i believe it, i saw him take dbol al the time, he would take 10 tabs 5 times per day, total of 100 tabs

math isnt your strong suit, is it?

[WillGrant]

Mentzer also published his cycle after the 79 Olmypia. Again it was a different era, and to those used to what he openly called "nightmarish drug doses by IFBB pros- regarding the drug use in the 90's", that gives you an insight.  He typicaly started his pre contest cyle with a 100 mg inj of Durabolin,  150 mg if Deca . The Deca was repeated every 10 days with no more than 5 DBol a day.  And yes he told me when I asked. He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything.  He also trained like a maniac when in contest training and dieted very hard, along with some great genetics.  (And speed didnt come into the picture til 1980 for the cynics out there)

hahaha - Casey spat out a diff cycle he used with Mike and Ray 1500mg of EQ plus other drugs were used - makes yours look a lil bit like *BULLSHIT* now doesnt it  he said they cycled diff drugs in and out every 8-10 weeks - so were never off and the doses were high.. not that piece of shit you are peddling there.

Mike was a compulsive liar so what he told you is a 99% chance of being a lie..

[Viking11]

lmao of course not !

I had good numbers a few years ago tho, I was much stronger than I am not (well probably not I just don't "try" to go heavy"

sometimes my knees hurt so much what I need to wrap both of them the whole day.

I think the beyond failure training might have fucked them up more than anything, but damn I loved doing the leg extensions drop sets  

I train around it now, so pretty shitty leg workouts these days.

I train them 3 times a week to make up for it

you did BFT?? Did you post on Trevor's board""

[Viking11]

hahaha - Casey spat out a diff cycle he used with Mike and Ray 1500mg of EQ plus other drugs were used - makes yours look a lil bit like *BULLSHIT* now doesnt it  he said they cycled diff drugs in and out every 8-10 weeks - so were never off and the doses were high.. not that piece of shit you are peddling there.

Mike was a compulsive liar so what he told you is a 99% chance of being a lie..

Where did you get the compulsive liar thing from??  He was one of the most honest people I knew. There were things he told me that did NOt make him look good, so he had no reason to lie about them.  No I dont want to really go into specifics, but I can. If he was a liar, then the rest of the industry must be even worse- which they probably are.  Sergio, Kal and Mike were pretty straight shooters. Unlike a lot now.  Casey is cool, but not very good at thinking, and when he was training with Mike was so whacked on coke that he was spacing out when spotting, so I wouldnt use him as a 100 per cent source.  Casey is cool, even interviewed him for Examiner.com.  Not real verbose though, lol.  Unlike Boyer who I got 6 PARTs from.

[Schmoe Buster]

math isnt your strong suit, is it?

No its not must have been 20 tabs 5 times per day, just remember it was 5 times per day, every 3 hours or something

[Schmoe Buster]

Mentzer also published his cycle after the 79 Olmypia. Again it was a different era, and to those used to what he openly called "nightmarish drug doses by IFBB pros- regarding the drug use in the 90's", that gives you an insight.  He typicaly started his pre contest cyle with a 100 mg inj of Durabolin,  150 mg if Deca . The Deca was repeated every 10 days with no more than 5 DBol a day.  And yes he told me when I asked. He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything.  He also trained like a maniac when in contest training and dieted very hard, along with some great genetics.  (And speed didnt come into the picture til 1980 for the cynics out there)

150mg of Deca every 10 days yeah right, please give me some of this magical Deca

Think Mike Methhead meant every 10 hours

[Viking11]

Again this was the 70s' TRY and reliaze this was before GH, Insulin use. etc. and TRAINING was king.  Robby didnt use much Deca either.  Mike responded very well to  the recommended range- he was a pre med student and knew more than most. He only went to the higher end of the recommened dose range in 77 -78, and "Rather than play Russina Roulette with the dosages," didnt go any higher. His brother Ray did use a bit more- and had water retention problems as a result- which is why Mike kept them a bit lower- "I noticed I was more refined on contest day"..  Original sources, son.   Why is this generation so hard to Teach?? Kids were easier 15 years ago.

[g101]

liars is the biggest problem of bodybuiold,, all mental cases ofcourse,, very very few fellas talk the truth ,, on getbig we hav equite a few who do talk the truth like van b ...like the flinston fella,, like sevaste ,, like secret stack fella,, like optimus fella,, like my pupil stavio ,, like gear101 ,, many other too that i diddnt mention but they knwo who they are....

gh15 approved

g101 !

but i like gear101 too 

[whitewidow]

I HAVE BOTH FRANCOS BOOKS AND I USE HIS TRAINING METHODS. FRANCO TRAIN SYLVESTER STALLONE FOR BOTH ROCKY 1 AND 2. SYLVESTER HAS SHIT GENETICS AND LOOK HOW GOOD SYLVESTER LOOKED AFTER HE TRAINED WITH FRANCO. i SWITCH IT UP SOME TO SHOCK THE MUSCLES RIGHT NOW iM JUST HITTING ONE TO TWO BODY PARTS A DAY AND I WORKOUT WITHIN 1 HOUR. I KEEP THE INTESITY VERY HIGH THOUGH AND ONLY REST 20 SECONDS BETWEEN SETS. OBVIOUSLY THE SQUAT AND BENCH PRESS ARE THE TWO BEST EXCERCISES INVENTED YOU CAN GET A GREAT PHYSIQUE JUST WITH DOING THOSE TO LIFTS. DOING DIFFRENT AB ROUTINES IS ALSO SUPER KEY YOU WANT TO START TRAINING YOUR CORE MUSCLES AT A VERY YOUNG AGE THAT WILL GIVE YOU A GREAT ADVANTAGE WHEN YOU GET OLDER. ALL YOU LAZT BASTARDS START DOING YOUR ABS. NOT JUST SIT-UP, CRUNCHIES, AND ALOT OF TIME ON THE KNEE RAISE MACHINE. DO REVERSE SITUPS THOSE ARE EXTREMELY HARD THIS IS WHERE YOU GET ON A SIT-UP RACK AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD AND COME UP HALF WAY THEN STAY CENTERED AND SLOWLY PUT ONE ELBOW AT A TIME BACK TILL IT TOUCHES THE SIDE OF THE SITUP RACK. STRONGER YOUR CORE MUSCLES ARE THE MORE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SQUAT AND BENCH.ALSO FOR-ARMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. THE REVERSE SIT-UP IS ONE OF THE BEST FOR CORE MUSCLE STRENGTH