Some huge 320lb powerlifter's at a gym my friend worked at, these guys blood pressure must have been like 300/180 they were beet red all the time, popping anadrol by the handful's.. I started talking to them one day and by the next day was asking if they could help me put on some size, I ended up buying 10 amps of testoviron and 10 amps of nile sustanon's, put on about 20 lb. and had veins on my abs, I trained naturally about 3-4 years at this point.