Author Topic: Nasser vs. Shawn in the RLS Pose!!.. (Read 3309 times)

Sherief Shalaby · « **on:** July 24, 2011, 10:45:45 PM »

i seriously see nasser better in this pose especially with his better hams and calves!!.. at their best shawn was better than nasser only in one pose (RDB)..

reppingfor20 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:52:43 PM »

Nasser destroys him

OTHstrong · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:53:23 PM »

Ray has a deeper lower back and has a better shoulder to waist ration in all 3 pics, Nasser has him an overall size, so can go either way by bodybuilding judging standards

jwb · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:00:06 PM »

You are demonstrating why neither won an Olympia.

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:03:00 PM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on July 24, 2011, 10:53:23 PM

Ray has a deeper lower back and has a better shoulder to waist ration in all 3 pics, Nasser has him an overall size, so can go either way by bodybuilding judging standards

i agree with you but when you put their lower bodies into consideration i think nasser was better in this pose overall.. nasser real weak pose comparing to other top pros in his era was the RDB..

dorian looked worse than all the other top pros in the FDB pose (after 93) but for dorian it was only one pose,.. not a big thing!!.. for nasser it was a different story $:-\$

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:11:33 PM »

Quote from: jwb on July 24, 2011, 11:00:06 PM

You are demonstrating why neither won an Olympia.

no i am saying that nasser's lack of details in his back was a weak point in one pose only,.. the same as dorian's nonexistent left biceps which affected one pose only!!..

sure dorian's RLS destroyed all the others in his time not only nasser.. nasser's RLS was ok comparing to other top pros like shawn and kevin and was better than dillett's..

OTHstrong · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:40:06 PM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on July 24, 2011, 11:11:33 PM

no i am saying that nasser's lack of details in his back was a weak point in one pose only,.. the same as dorian's nonexistent left biceps which affected one pose only!!..

sure dorian's RLS destroyed all the others in his time not only nasser.. nasser's RLS was ok comparing to other top pros like shawn and kevin and was better than dillett's..

They each had 1 week pose, but Yates strong poses were extemely dominent where Nsser's strong points were excllent but not dominent. Yates rdb untouble, side triceps untouchble, fls untouchable , rls untouchable

johnny1 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:02:38 AM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on July 24, 2011, 10:45:45 PM

i seriously see nasser better in this pose especially with his better hams and calves!!.. at their best shawn was better than nasser only in one pose (RDB)..

Not sure Nasser had Better Hams Sherief, He defendantly had Bigger Hamstrings and same with the Lats Bigger wider..........dont know about them being Better in the RLS

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:09:45 AM »

Quote from: johnny1 on July 25, 2011, 03:02:38 AM

Not sure Nasser had Better Hams Sherief, He defendantly had Bigger Hamstrings and same with the Lats Bigger wider..........dont know about them being Better in the RLS

i mean johnny that his RLS at his best was combarable to the likes of ray and levrone.. dont you agree with me in this??..

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:16:03 AM »

Quote from: Onetimehard on July 24, 2011, 11:40:06 PM

They each had 1 week pose, but Yates strong poses were extemely dominent where Nsser's strong points were excllent but not dominent. Yates rdb untouble, side triceps untouchble, fls untouchable , rls untouchable

if you are talking about yates best i cant argue.. this is why dorian dominated in 93 and 95.. i also see him deserving the title in 94 because of these "untouchable" poses.. in 96 he was flat but still in a great condition but for me he didnt deserve to win.. in 97 it was horrible to make him win,.. even his best poses were not as impressive impressive as their normal.. especially his FLS,.. didnt look good at all with his weak right arm and deformed left arm and his soft quads that lacked details..

why didnt judges deal with his soft quads in 97 the same way they were always dealing with nasser's soft back??..

Figo · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:20:20 AM »

shawn ray considered his back as his weakness

I think it was the only one, besides having a small frame

johnny1 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:28:22 AM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on July 25, 2011, 03:09:45 AM

i mean johnny that his RLS at his best was comparable to the likes of ray and levrone.. dont you agree with me in this??..

Comparable with Ray and Levrone @ his Best in the RLS... Yes Comparable... better? apples and Oranges especially the Structure differences, Size etc with Nasser and Shawn, in the RLS imo Shawn carry's the pose off slightly better due to his Lowerlat insertions and the Detail in his back along with the Tie-ins with his Hams/glutes etc

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:53:23 AM »

Quote from: Figo on July 25, 2011, 03:20:20 AM

shawn ray considered his back as his weakness

I think it was the only one, besides having a small frame

+ his high calves.. still not bad for a black man..

Figo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2011, 04:17:50 AM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on July 25, 2011, 03:53:23 AM

+ his high calves.. still not bad for a black man..

high, but very, very well developed, very good for a black man, especially when you look at ronnies and joj's calves

OTHstrong · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2011, 05:09:08 AM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on July 25, 2011, 03:16:03 AM

if you are talking about yates best i cant argue.. this is why dorian dominated in 93 and 95.. i also see him deserving the title in 94 because of these "untouchable" poses.. in 96 he was flat but still in a great condition but for me he didnt deserve to win.. in 97 it was horrible to make him win,.. even his best poses were not as impressive impressive as their normal.. especially his FLS,.. didnt look good at all with his weak right arm and deformed left arm and his soft quads that lacked details..

why didnt judges deal with his soft quads in 97 the same way they were always dealing with nasser's soft back??..

I will give 97 but not 96

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #15 on:** July 25, 2011, 05:11:20 AM »

Nasser has better hair..

Iceman1981 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 25, 2011, 10:19:10 AM »

Nasser looks great here

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #17 on:** July 25, 2011, 12:15:29 PM »

Quote from: Figo on July 25, 2011, 04:17:50 AM

high, but very, very well developed, very good for a black man, especially when you look at ronnies and joj's calves

yes i said they were good for a black man but when judges compare they dont put into consideration the color of each competitor's skin.. beside dorian's, nasser's, or, paul's shawn's calves were clearly worse..

as for ronnie's calves they were bad even for someone who doesn't train and in my opinion they killed the symmetry of his whole lower body!!..

Sherief Shalaby · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2011, 12:18:29 PM »

Quote from: Iceman1981 on July 25, 2011, 10:19:10 AM

Nasser looks great here

good pic. that shows exactly what i am talking about.. beside other top pros nasser's RLS looked very good.. they (with the exception of dillet) owned him badly only in one pose (RDB)..

bigbobs · « **Reply #19 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:18:56 PM »

Great thread Sherief! Nasser's back being a weakness was really over-exaggerated as he had wide and thick lats and overall a great rear lat spread as you proved above.

bigbobs · « **Reply #20 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Sherief Shalaby on July 25, 2011, 03:16:03 AM

if you are talking about yates best i cant argue.. this is why dorian dominated in 93 and 95.. i also see him deserving the title in 94 because of these "untouchable" poses.. in 96 he was flat but still in a great condition but for me he didnt deserve to win.. in 97 it was horrible to make him win,.. even his best poses were not as impressive impressive as their normal.. especially his FLS,.. didnt look good at all with his weak right arm and deformed left arm and his soft quads that lacked details..

why didnt judges deal with his soft quads in 97 the same way they were always dealing with nasser's soft back??..

not only soft quads but very small disproportionate pulombism arms, barrel waist, etc.!

bigbobs · « **Reply #21 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:22:06 PM »

Quote from: Iceman1981 on July 25, 2011, 10:19:10 AM

Nasser looks great here

Thank you!

erics · « **Reply #22 on:** July 25, 2011, 03:41:34 PM »

There is a huge difference between Nasser in post #1 and Nasser in post #16.

In post #1, as big as he his, he looks like a blob and his ass is about to fall out of his pants. Yes, his back is holding its own in terms of size but Ray, in my opinion wins that pose because of the lines and balance he brings. Nasser simply cannot match him in that regard.

In post #16, he looks much more aesthetic and he doesn't look as if he is about melt. And because he looks as if he not melting, he actually compares much more favourably with Ray and a case can be made for him beating Ray in that shot.

In bodybuilding, blobs should never triumph over sculptures.

tweeter · « **Reply #23 on:** July 25, 2011, 05:22:56 PM »

Quote from: Figo on July 25, 2011, 03:20:20 AM

shawn ray considered his back as his weakness

I think it was the only one, besides having a small frame

Shawn really didn't have any weaknesses, aside from being short.

bigbobs · « **Reply #24 on:** July 25, 2011, 05:48:19 PM »

Quote from: erics on July 25, 2011, 03:41:34 PM

There is a huge difference between Nasser in post #1 and Nasser in post #16.

In post #1, as big as he his, he looks like a blob and his ass is about to fall out of his pants. Yes, his back is holding its own in terms of size but Ray, in my opinion wins that pose because of the lines and balance he brings. Nasser simply cannot match him in that regard.

In post #16, he looks much more aesthetic and he doesn't look as if he is about melt. And because he looks as if he not melting, he actually compares much more favourably with Ray and a case can be made for him beating Ray in that shot.

In bodybuilding, blobs should never triumph over sculptures.

Actually the difference is just that the first pic is a screencap so is lower res and makes him look less detailed. For the same reason Shawn also looks less detailed in the first pic than the others.