Lazy REPUBS?

[Necrosis]

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

This shit is hilarious. Remember smart people support democratic movements, while the vast majority of high school only graduates are republican.

[Soul Crusher]

LMFAO  - stick with canadian stuff, you have no clue. 

[Necrosis]

LMFAO  - stick with canadian stuff, you have no clue. 

are you saying the data is false?

[headhuntersix]

Nobody here cares what happens in your country...don't bother about mine.

[Mr. Magoo]

not one adequate reply yet

[Dos Equis]

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

This shit is hilarious. Remember smart people support democratic movements, while the vast majority of high school only graduates are republican.

Just to clarify, are you saying only smart Americans are Democrats? 

[Mr. Magoo]

Just to clarify, are you saying only smart Americans are Democrats?  

I think he's saying on average

[Soul Crusher]

I think he's saying on average

Yeah, the demo states are the ones all on the verge of collapse, real bright people running these states.   

[Dos Equis]

I think he's saying on average

Based on what? 

[Mr. Magoo]

Yeah, the demo states are the ones all on the verge of collapse, real bright people running these states.  

you didn't address the original post

and the political beliefs of a majority of the population in a state do not necessarily translate into who is elected in those states.

[Mr. Magoo]

Based on what? 

well I think he got a little too specific in his original post. But studies typically show that on average as intelligence rises (based on years of schooling) there is a trend to liberal political beliefs. Maybe liberal minded people tend to do better in school and enjoy it so they keep on, maybe intelligent people favor liberalism, maybe many years of schooling makes a person liberal.

I did a study on this in one of my research classes, there is a correlation but I don't think there is enough that we can make judgement on it. For example I'm sure many (maybe you) disagree with using years spent in school as a measurement of intelligence etc etc.

[Dos Equis]

well I think he got a little too specific in his original post. But studies typically show that on average as intelligence rises (based on years of schooling) there is a trend to liberal political beliefs. Maybe liberal minded people tend to do better in school and enjoy it so they keep on, maybe intelligent people favor liberalism, maybe many years of schooling makes a person liberal.

I did a study on this in one of my research classes, there is a correlation but I don't think there is enough that we can make judgement on it. For example I'm sure many (maybe you) disagree with using years spent in school as a measurement of intelligence etc etc.

What studies?  You have a link?  I'd like to read them. 

There is a popular saying that people become more conservative as they get older and start paying taxes.  I think that's true.  I haven't seen a correlation between education and liberalism.  In fact, in my experience conservatives tend to be better educated about politics and government.   

Years spent in school can be part of an intelligence analysis, but it's certainly not the total measure of whether someone is bright or not.  Much more involved than that.  You should read Daniel Goleman's book Emotional Intelligence.  Sheds a lot of light on how intelligence is measured.  It's more than education and IQ.   

[Mr. Magoo]

What studies?  You have a link?  I'd like to read them.  

There is a popular saying that people become more conservative as they get older and start paying taxes.  I think that's true.  I haven't seen a correlation between education and liberalism.  In fact, in my experience conservatives tend to be better educated about politics and government.  

Years spent in school can be part of an intelligence analysis, but it's certainly not the total measure of whether someone is bright or not.  Much more involved than that.  You should read Daniel Goleman's book Emotional Intelligence.  Sheds a lot of light on how intelligence is measured.  It's more than education and IQ.  

There are studies out there, I don't have time to google search and then analyze the study to make sure it was done correctly but I have the data to replicate a study in SPSS. I dealt with this stuff all in political research and methodology.

In regards to your last paragraph, yes operational definitions are a crucial part in doing studies. It has to be quantifiable, etc etc to put into the program to see the correlation. Years spent in school is one of the easiest ways to measure it. I'm not saying its perfect, no study is perfect. Doing studies is a different ballgame than composing a psychological report.

Granted, I should add that finding studies solely on this correlation might be hard. First of all, nobody wants to publish a study that can be done in less than 20 minutes in SPSS once the data is compiled. Most studies will probably be related to something else or will claim a causal factor or something more than a simple correlation.

[headhuntersix]

I think its safe to say that the more time spent in the den of political liberalism that is American academia, the more your gonna be a leftwing nut. Education does not equal intelligence. Alot of the so called college grads can't articulate points, find countries on a map etc etc....they can barely spell when it matters.

[tonymctones]

well I think he got a little too specific in his original post. But studies typically show that on average as intelligence rises (based on years of schooling) there is a trend to liberal political beliefs. Maybe liberal minded people tend to do better in school and enjoy it so they keep on, maybe intelligent people favor liberalism, maybe many years of schooling makes a person liberal.

I did a study on this in one of my research classes, there is a correlation but I don't think there is enough that we can make judgement on it. For example I'm sure many (maybe you) disagree with using years spent in school as a measurement of intelligence etc etc.

intelligence and amount of schooling arent the same thing...

hope this helps...

[Mr. Magoo]

intelligence and amount of schooling arent the same thing...

hope this helps...

you're exactly right, but for purposes of doing a study one has to make operational definitions (Ex: For the purposes of this study, intelligence will be defined as years of schooling). This is to create a general average that can be generally accepted, and also it is used because years of schooling is a simple number that can be quantified and easily put into the SPSS program used to find correlations and also to control for other factors found in the data (Income, race, marriage status, etc etc).

I don't think you all are realizing that this is what it takes to do a study. It's not news to any adult that education doesn't exactly equal intelligence. It is just as difficult to find an operating definition for "intelligence" as it is to find what is "liberal", etc. Of course there are other problems with this correlation like I've already stated. "Maybe liberal minded people tend to enjoy school more than nonliberals so they continue to get more schooling" "maybe intelligent people do actually favor liberalism"  "maybe many years of schooling makes a person liberal if higher level academics is liberal biased" "maybe the person lied about how many years they really were in school"   "maybe many years in school don't equate to actual higher education (such as 6 years on a BA)". There are tons of problems with doing a simple correlation, which is why it would be hard to find a published study on just a simple correlation that takes 20 minutes or less to do in SPSS. The fact is that there is a correlation when controlling for other factors (Income, race, etc...but then again, how do we know we controlled for all possible factors?).

To put the correlation in safe terms would be something along the lines of: In a comparison of individuals, those who attended higher education are more likely to have liberal political ideals than those individuals who attended lower education.

We cannot establish causation. There are problems with operational definitions of certain words such as "higher education"  "lower education" "liberal political ideals" (which would be explicitly spelled out within the study analysis). We have to make sure we controlled for likely factors, etc etc. This is how studies are generally done.

[tonymctones]

you're exactly right, but for purposes of doing a study one has to make operational definitions (Ex: For the purposes of this study, intelligence will be defined as years of schooling). This is to create a general average that can be generally accepted, and also it is used because years of schooling is a simple number that can be quantified and easily put into the SPSS program used to find correlations and also to control for other factors found in the data (Income, race, marriage status, etc etc).

I don't think you all are realizing that this is what it takes to do a study. It's not news to any adult that education doesn't exactly equal intelligence. It is just as difficult to find an operating definition for "intelligence" as it is to find what is "liberal", etc. Of course there are other problems with this correlation like I've already stated. "Maybe liberal minded people tend to enjoy school more than nonliberals so they continue to get more schooling" "maybe intelligent people do actually favor liberalism"  "maybe many years of schooling makes a person liberal if higher level academics is liberal biased" "maybe the person lied about how many years they really were in school"   "maybe many years in school don't equate to actual higher education (such as 6 years on a BA)". There are tons of problems with doing a simple correlation, which is why it would be hard to find a published study on just a simple correlation that takes 20 minutes or less to do in SPSS. The fact is that there is a correlation when controlling for other factors (Income, race, etc...but then again, how do we know we controlled for all possible factors?).

To put the correlation in safe terms would be something along the lines of: In a comparison of individuals, those who attended higher education are more likely to have liberal political ideals than those individuals who attended lower education.

We cannot establish causation. There are problems with operational definitions of certain words such as "higher education"  "lower education" "liberal political ideals" (which would be explicitly spelled out within the study analysis). We have to make sure we controlled for likely factors, etc etc. This is how studies are generally done.

lol then it isnt intelligence its amount of education...you dont redefine words for the sake of the experiment...

LOL broham I have a BS in psychology, trust ive done more than enough studies and reviews of cases in my life to know what and how to do a proper experiment.

[Mr. Magoo]

lol then it isnt intelligence its amount of education...you dont redefine words for the sake of the experiment...

LOL broham I have a BS in psychology, trust ive done more than enough studies and reviews of cases in my life to know what and how to do a proper experiment.

I said in my first post But studies typically show that on average as intelligence rises (based on years of schooling) so I never said intelligence is always and only based on years of schooling. I also said "I think he got a little too specific in his original post" . So don't make the mistake of thinking that I myself am saying "a person's years of schooling is the only measurement of a person's intelligence", I never claimed that.

I'm saying that studies can make that leap within the study itself (it will be spelled out explicitly) and someone saying "I don't think years spent in school is a good measure of intelligence" would be a valid objection. But a safer version (to guard against that objection) of the correlation would be what I spelled out in my last post.

Agree with me now?

[tonymctones]

I said in my first post But studies typically show that on average as intelligence rises (based on years of schooling) so I never said intelligence is always and only based on years of schooling. I also said "I think he got a little too specific in his original post" . So don't make the mistake of thinking that I myself am saying "a person's years of schooling is the only measurement of a person's intelligence", I never claimed that.

I'm saying that studies can make that leap within the study itself (it will be spelled out explicitly) and someone saying "I don't think years spent in school is a good measure of intelligence" would be a valid objection. But a safer version (to guard against that objection) of the correlation would be what I spelled out in my last post.

Agree with me now?

Yes I agree with you.

I wasnt implying you said so, and youre right if the used the term intelligence as determined by years of schooling they would most definitely disclose that fact...something Jag didnt do.

still a valid objection regardless and would certainly be brought up by the person conducting the experiment.

[MCWAY]

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

This shit is hilarious. Remember smart people support democratic movements, while the vast majority of high school only graduates are republican.

Not quite!!! Check CNN's exit poll of the 2004 election. The voters with:

- Less than a high school diploma: (4% of voters) 50% Kerry, 49% Bush
- High School Diploma (22% of voters): 52% Bush, 47% Kerry
- Some college (32% of voters): 54% Bush, 46% Kerry
- Bachelor's Degree (26% of voters): 52% Bush, 46% Kerry
- Post Graduate degree (16% of voters): 55% Kerry, 44% Bush

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

[dario73]

Not quite!!! Check CNN's exit poll of the 2004 election. The voters with:

- Less than a high school diploma: (4% of voters) 50% Kerry, 49% Bush
- High School Diploma (22% of voters): 52% Bush, 47% Kerry
- Some college (32% of voters): 54% Bush, 46% Kerry
- Bachelor's Degree (26% of voters): 52% Bush, 46% Kerry
- Post Graduate degree (16% of voters): 55% Kerry, 44% Bush

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

You just had to piss all over the left wing morons on this board. Didn't you?

[dario73]

I think its safe to say that the more time spent in the den of political liberalism that is American academia, the more your gonna be a leftwing nut. Education does not equal intelligence. Alot of the so called college grads can't articulate points, find countries on a map etc etc....they can barely spell when it matters.

BINGO!!!

[Mr. Magoo]

Not quite!!! Check CNN's exit poll of the 2004 election. The voters with:

- Less than a high school diploma: (4% of voters) 50% Kerry, 49% Bush
- High School Diploma (22% of voters): 52% Bush, 47% Kerry
- Some college (32% of voters): 54% Bush, 46% Kerry
- Bachelor's Degree (26% of voters): 52% Bush, 46% Kerry
- Post Graduate degree (16% of voters): 55% Kerry, 44% Bush

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

let's see here...biased sample because it only includes those who voted in the 2004 presidential election so not representative....it's only one election so it presents a sort of false dilemma (only two/three choices)....there is an inherent assumption that bush=conservative and kerry=liberal where there may be some crossings....etc

[MCWAY]

let's see here...biased sample because it only includes those who voted in the 2004 presidential election so not representative....it's only one election so it presents a sort of false dilemma (only two/three choices)....there is an inherent assumption that bush=conservative and kerry=liberal where there may be some crossings....etc

You'll have similar findings, no matter what election you choose. The point, of course, is that Necrosis' claim is woefully false. This is just one example to show that.

[Soul Crusher]

You almost have to feel sorry for the run of the mill liberal dolt with how many delusions, lies, misconceptions, and falsehoods their entire belief system is based upon.