Author Topic: Obama in 2006 on the Debt Ceiling Debate: Do you believe Obama 2006 or 2011?  (Read 1568 times)

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This is from a speech Obama made in 2006:


The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Over the past 5 years, our federal debt has increased by $3.5 trillion to $8.6 trillion.That is “trillion” with a “T.” That is money that we have borrowed from the Social Security trust fund, borrowed from China and Japan, borrowed from American taxpayers. And over the next 5 years, between now and 2011, the President’s budget will increase the debt by almost another $3.5 trillion.

Numbers that large are sometimes hard to understand. Some people may wonder why they matter. Here is why: This year, the Federal Government will spend $220 billion on interest. That is more money to pay interest on our national debt than we’ll spend on Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. That is more money to pay interest on our debt this year than we will spend on education, homeland security, transportation, and veterans benefits combined. It is more money in one year than we are likely to spend to rebuild the devastated gulf coast in a way that honors the best of America.

And the cost of our debt is one of the fastest growing expenses in the Federal budget. This rising debt is a hidden domestic enemy, robbing our cities and States of critical investments in infrastructure like bridges, ports, and levees; robbing our families and our children of critical investments in education and health care reform; robbing our seniors of the retirement and health security they have counted on.

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar that is not going to investment in America’s priorities.

Senator Barack Obama
Senate Floor Speech on Public Debt
March 16, 2006


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that's easy...
Bush was in charge; the Dems said no.
Obamas in charge; the DOP sez no.
Politics 101
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I believe that once you get into the office, you are forced to change your opinion on many things to get the job done.

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He was far more accurate in 2006.  But what else is new?  Just like his doublespeak regarding use of military force. 


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The leftist masses, hopped up on enough hopium to drop an elephant, can't come to grips with the fact that this is a narcissistic chronic liar who will say whatever he thinks will win him supporters.

He's a pussy with no backbone or convictions. A true lame-duck.

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The leftist masses, hopped up on enough hopium to drop an elephant, can't come to grips with the fact that this is a narcissistic chronic liar who will say whatever he thinks will win him supporters.

He's a pussy with no backbone or convictions. A true lame-duck.
dont hold back; tell us more from the 33386 school of politics !
good word "hopium"--- points for that. ;)
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Its the truth.   

Only dirtbags, gays, 95'ers, marxists, radical leftists, commies, and govt employee hacks support this outlaw junta. 

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Its the truth.   

Only dirtbags, gays, 95'ers, marxists, radical leftists, commies, and govt employee hacks support this outlaw junta. 
OK, I'll play along......
 what is a 95 ?
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OK, I'll play along......
 what is a 95 ?

Do you really want to know?  Its the beaten wives' club of the demo party who will vote for obama no matter what he does for solely racial reasons.

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Do you really want to know?  Its the beaten wives' club of the demo party who will vote for obama no matter what he does for solely racial reasons.
and why are they called 95 ?
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and why are they called 95 ?

That is the percentage who vote demo every election no matter what. 

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That is the percentage who vote demo every election no matter what. 

correct.  The loyal party voting base.

GOP used to have it, until the 2008 election when 18% of 2004 voters inexplicably stayed home.

Somehow the party loved mccain enough to give him the nomination, but didn't vote for him in general election.  The fact his veep pick was deemed unqualified by 60% polled had nothing to do with this, getbiggers often noted.

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correct.  The loyal party voting base.

GOP used to have it, until the 2008 election when 18% of 2004 voters inexplicably stayed home.

Somehow the party loved mccain enough to give him the nomination, but didn't vote for him in general election.  The fact his veep pick was deemed unqualified by 60% polled had nothing to do with this, getbiggers often noted.

you just can't put that lie to bed can you? 

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you just can't put that lie to bed can you? 

I'll be honest, she is a big part of why I didn't vote for McCain.

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you just can't put that lie to bed can you?  

FACT: 60% of polled voters said Palin was unqialified to be even veep.  FOX/edison moffit poll.

FACT: 18% of 2004 republican voters did not vote in the 2008 election.  They stayed home.

FACT: Mccain adhered to just about every major bush position, so it's weird to think that a fifth of the 2004 voters would suddenly stay home based upon his positions - particularly since he did so well in winning the primary.


So it wasn't the positions on the issues that caused the GOP voters to stay home.
They were VERY concerned about the economic damage that obama would inflict - many repub getbiggers included - so they were probably MORE motivated to vote AGAINST socialism.

Whatever else could be the cause of them staying home?  It wasn't "mccain is a lib", as I just showed.  it wasn't the economy - which was MORE of an important issue in 08 than in 04.  it wasn't a perception of mccain's competence - as they viewed him competent in giving him the nomiation.


Why did 18% of repub voters stay home in 2008, mr. 333386?

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I'll be honest, she is a big part of why I didn't vote for McCain.

333386 has denied for almost 3 years that her presence on the ticket actually HELPED mccain.

I've shown he was Bush part 2 for most voters and certainly popular enough to win the nomination - and LED in some polls over obama in the summer 08 - yet 1/5 of the repubs abandoned him after making that pick...

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333386 has denied for almost 3 years that her presence on the ticket actually HELPED mccain.

I've shown he was Bush part 2 for most voters and certainly popular enough to win the nomination - and LED in some polls over obama in the summer 08 - yet 1/5 of the repubs abandoned him after making that pick...

Because the data does not prove your assertion! 

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Because the data does not prove your assertion! 

which part do you disagree with?

can you explain why you believe 1/5 of 2004 GOp voters just sat out that election?

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which part do you disagree with?

can you explain why you believe 1/5 of 2004 GOp voters just sat out that election?

1.  Bush fatigue. 

2.  McCain sucked ass and was not the pick of the gop faithful.  The GOP primary system sucks and indes and demos nominated him. 

3.  His campaign was horrible. 

4.  Obama got the benefit of 24/7 kneepadding from the msm 


Palin got mccain votes not the other way around.  Without her, he would have lost even worse.   

I have worked campaigns a lot longer than you and will tell you that she was the only reason he did not lose even worse.   

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1.  Bush fatigue. 

2.  McCain sucked ass and was not the pick of the gop faithful.  The GOP primary system sucks and indes and demos nominated him. 

3.  His campaign was horrible. 

4.  Obama got the benefit of 24/7 kneepadding from the msm 


Palin got mccain votes not the other way around.  Without her, he would have lost even worse. 
 

I have worked campaigns a lot longer than you and will tell you that she was the only reason he did not lose even worse.   

I know this is your opinion, but I truly don't think that's the case.

Dude... I am the independent voter. ME... I don't follow parties and when either sides screws up, I always say so.

Palin was a HUGE part of me being turned off of McCain.

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Yes it is!   Again - don't look at yourself. 

Look at the GOP base.   She brought out a lot more of the base who would have stayed home.   

So lets say she caused 5% of indes to stay home - she also got more than that of the base of the base to show up. 



considering the election of 2008 and all the factors looking back, and considering even with all that McCain only lost by 5%, I see no way Obama wins short of a miracle. 


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Did Palin Cost McCain the Election? Another MSM/Establishment Falsehood
June 4, 2011
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There are few coherent arguments that anti-Palin establishment Republicans/MSM can pull together about why they dislike Sarah Palin so. Rarely are the arguments on policy, accept to falsely claim that Palin never talks policy. (And if you want a challenge, I can find more coherent, non-convoluted policy positions from Sarah Palin than I can from most of the other candidates who are too afraid to take a stand and stand by it). Or, they say “she quit the governorship!” Oh okay. These are typically the same people who are practically begging NJ governor Chris Christie to quit the Governorship even earlier than Palin did to run for President. And at least Palin accomplished something (oh, and had a reason to quit).

But what they really love to claim is that Palin can’t win, and she actually cost McCain the election in 2008. Once again, reality (and polling data) tell a different story.

According to Gallup Daily tracking done in 2008, John McCain clearly lost the election for himself, and never really had a shot anyway. Palin was his one desperate hail Mary, that hung in the air for awhile, but ultimately came down unable to pull McCain from a loss. Starting on June 5th, McCain trailed Obama on every single daily tracking poll posted, day after day, by as much as 9 points, but usually by between 3-7 points. In fact, for the entire 3 months before Palin was selected as his VP choice, McCain had a whopping total of 1 day where he was ahead of Obama, a lead of 46-44% on 8-25-08.

On August 29th, 2008, Sarah Palin was announced as John McCain’s running mate. For each of the days before Palin was announced, McCain trailed Obama by 8 points, 49%-41%. (Obama would actually win by 7%). After Palin’s announcement, plus her strong (and very well-received speech at the RNC convention), the McCain Palin team led Obama-Biden for much of the first half of September. After the typical Convention speech “bump” had dissipated, McCain led by 2%.

But on September 24th, things changed. The anti-Palin types would like us all to believe that Sarah Palin’s interview with Katie Couric cost McCain the election. But what happened after September 24th was voters who claimed the economy was their #1 issue had completely turned against McCain and now favored Obama by a 2-1 margin. (Yes, believe it or not, Palin’s newspaper reading list – and how condescending a question is that? – was not on the voters’ minds. But what was on voters’ minds was McCain’s September 24th campaign suspension to focus on the “financial crisis.” Obama laughed, claiming he could do more than one thing at once (now proven he can’t do even one thing at once). President Bush gathered with Senators Obama and McCain, and Obama took control. Though it was reported as amateur hour for Obama, McCain was seemingly uninvolved. In fact, McCain wound up agreeing with Obama on everything anyway in the end. On top of that, Obama was promising tax cuts that McCain wasn’t.

Nearly immediately, McCain plummeted in the polls as voters viewed Obama as the one to get the economy fixed. He quickly fell behind in the polls and never recovered. The reality is, McCain trailed almost the entire time. In over 150 days of daily tracking, McCain led for just 11 days. Yes, 11 days. And he led for no days in the 2 months prior to his selection of Sarah Palin as VP, and never after announcing he was “suspending his campaign.”

http://pollinsider.com/2011/06/04/did-palin-cost-mccain-the-election-another-msmestablishment-falsehood


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Did Palin Cost McCain the Election? Another MSM/Establishment Falsehood
June 4, 2011
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There are few coherent arguments that anti-Palin establishment Republicans/MSM can pull together about why they dislike Sarah Palin so. Rarely are the arguments on policy, accept to falsely claim that Palin never talks policy. (And if you want a challenge, I can find more coherent, non-convoluted policy positions from Sarah Palin than I can from most of the other candidates who are too afraid to take a stand and stand by it). Or, they say “she quit the governorship!” Oh okay. These are typically the same people who are practically begging NJ governor Chris Christie to quit the Governorship even earlier than Palin did to run for President. And at least Palin accomplished something (oh, and had a reason to quit).

But what they really love to claim is that Palin can’t win, and she actually cost McCain the election in 2008. Once again, reality (and polling data) tell a different story.

According to Gallup Daily tracking done in 2008, John McCain clearly lost the election for himself, and never really had a shot anyway. Palin was his one desperate hail Mary, that hung in the air for awhile, but ultimately came down unable to pull McCain from a loss. Starting on June 5th, McCain trailed Obama on every single daily tracking poll posted, day after day, by as much as 9 points, but usually by between 3-7 points. In fact, for the entire 3 months before Palin was selected as his VP choice, McCain had a whopping total of 1 day where he was ahead of Obama, a lead of 46-44% on 8-25-08.

On August 29th, 2008, Sarah Palin was announced as John McCain’s running mate. For each of the days before Palin was announced, McCain trailed Obama by 8 points, 49%-41%. (Obama would actually win by 7%). After Palin’s announcement, plus her strong (and very well-received speech at the RNC convention), the McCain Palin team led Obama-Biden for much of the first half of September. After the typical Convention speech “bump” had dissipated, McCain led by 2%.

But on September 24th, things changed. The anti-Palin types would like us all to believe that Sarah Palin’s interview with Katie Couric cost McCain the election. But what happened after September 24th was voters who claimed the economy was their #1 issue had completely turned against McCain and now favored Obama by a 2-1 margin. (Yes, believe it or not, Palin’s newspaper reading list – and how condescending a question is that? – was not on the voters’ minds. But what was on voters’ minds was McCain’s September 24th campaign suspension to focus on the “financial crisis.” Obama laughed, claiming he could do more than one thing at once (now proven he can’t do even one thing at once). President Bush gathered with Senators Obama and McCain, and Obama took control. Though it was reported as amateur hour for Obama, McCain was seemingly uninvolved. In fact, McCain wound up agreeing with Obama on everything anyway in the end. On top of that, Obama was promising tax cuts that McCain wasn’t.

Nearly immediately, McCain plummeted in the polls as voters viewed Obama as the one to get the economy fixed. He quickly fell behind in the polls and never recovered. The reality is, McCain trailed almost the entire time. In over 150 days of daily tracking, McCain led for just 11 days. Yes, 11 days. And he led for no days in the 2 months prior to his selection of Sarah Palin as VP, and never after announcing he was “suspending his campaign.”

http://pollinsider.com/2011/06/04/did-palin-cost-mccain-the-election-another-msmestablishment-falsehood



Nooooo.  Not the facts again.  lol.   :)

This confirms what we already know:  people vote the top of the ticket. 

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Bump for Team Kenya! 

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Nooooo.  Not the facts again.  lol.   :)

This confirms what we already know:  people vote the top of the ticket. 

Sorry... There's not much fact for why someone didn't vote for McCain here.

It's more opinion that it's the economy and not the katie couric interview... I still disagree.