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« on: August 06, 2011, 07:07:58 AM »
United States of America Long-Term Rating Lowered To 'AA+' On Political Risks And Rising Debt Burden; Outlook Negative

We have lowered our long-term sovereign credit rating on the United States of America to 'AA+' from 'AAA' and affirmed the 'A-1+' short-term rating.

We have also removed both the short- and long-term ratings from CreditWatch negative.

The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics.

More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.

Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics any time soon.

The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to 'AA' within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case.

Rating Action

On Aug. 5, 2011, Standard & Poor's Ratings Services lowered its long-term sovereign credit rating on the United States of America to 'AA+' from 'AAA'. The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. At the same time, Standard & Poor's affirmed its 'A-1+' short-term rating on the U.S. In addition, Standard & Poor's removed both ratings from CreditWatch, where they were placed on July 14, 2011, with negative implications.

The transfer and convertibility (T&C) assessment of the U.S.--our assessment of the likelihood of official interference in the ability of U.S.-based public- and private-sector issuers to secure foreign exchange for debt service--remains 'AAA'.

Rationale

We lowered our long-term rating on the U.S. because we believe that the prolonged controversy over raising the statutory debt ceiling and the related  fiscal policy debate indicate that further near-term progress containing the growth in public spending, especially on entitlements, or on reaching an agreement on raising revenues is less likely than we previously assumed and will remain a contentious and fitful process. We also believe that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration agreed to this week falls short of the amount that we believe is necessary to stabilize the general government debt burden by the middle of the decade.

Our lowering of the rating was prompted by our view on the rising public debt burden and our perception of greater policymaking uncertainty, consistent with our criteria (see "Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions," June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). Nevertheless, we view the U.S. federal government's other economic, external, and monetary credit attributes, which form the basis for the sovereign rating, as broadly unchanged.

We have taken the ratings off CreditWatch because the Aug. 2 passage of the Budget Control Act Amendment of 2011 has removed any perceived immediate threat of payment default posed by delays to raising the government's debt ceiling. In addition, we believe that the act provides sufficient clarity to allow us to evaluate the likely course of U.S. fiscal policy for the next few years.

The political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective,  and less predictable than what we previously believed. The statutory debt ceiling and the threat of default have become political bargaining chips in the debate over fiscal policy. Despite this year's wide-ranging debate, in our view, the differences between political parties have proven to be extraordinarily difficult to bridge, and, as we see it, the resulting agreement fell well short of the comprehensive fiscal consolidation program that some proponents had envisaged until quite recently. Republicans and Democrats have only been able to agree to relatively modest savings on discretionary spending while delegating to the Select Committee decisions on more comprehensive measures. It appears that for now, new revenues have dropped down on the menu of policy options. In addition, the plan envisions only minor policy changes on Medicare and little change in other entitlements, the containment of which we and most other independent observers regard as key to long-term fiscal sustainability.

Our opinion is that elected officials remain wary of tackling the structural issues required to effectively address the rising U.S. public debt burden in a manner consistent with a 'AAA' rating and with 'AAA' rated sovereign peers (see Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions," June 30, 2011, especially Paragraphs 36-41). In our view, the difficulty in framing a consensus on fiscal policy weakens the government's ability to manage public finances and diverts attention from the debate over how to achieve more balanced and dynamic economic growth in an era of fiscal stringency and private-sector deleveraging (ibid). A new political consensus might (or might not) emerge after the 2012 elections, but we believe that by then, the government debt burden will likely be higher, the needed medium-term fiscal adjustment potentially greater, and the inflection point on the U.S. population's demographics and other age-related spending drivers closer at hand (see "Global Aging 2011: In The U.S., Going Gray Will Likely Cost Even More Green, Now," June 21, 2011).

Standard & Poor's takes no position on the mix of spending and revenue measures that Congress and the Administration might conclude is appropriate for putting the U.S.'s finances on a sustainable footing.

The act calls for as much as $2.4 trillion of reductions in expenditure growth over the 10 years through 2021. These cuts will be implemented in two steps: the $917 billion agreed to initially, followed by an additional $1.5 trillion that the newly formed Congressional Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction is supposed to recommend by November 2011. The act contains no measures to raise taxes or otherwise enhance revenues, though the committee could recommend them.

The act further provides that if Congress does not enact the committee's recommendations, cuts of $1.2 trillion will be implemented over the same time period. The reductions would mainly affect outlays for civilian discretionary spending, defense, and Medicare. We understand that this fall-back mechanism is designed to encourage Congress to embrace a more balanced mix of expenditure savings, as the committee might recommend.

We note that in a letter to Congress on Aug. 1, 2011, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated total budgetary savings under the act to be at least $2.1 trillion over the next 10 years relative to its baseline assumptions. In updating our own fiscal projections, with certain modifications outlined below, we have relied on the CBO's latest "Alternate Fiscal Scenario" of June 2011, updated to include the CBO assumptions contained in its Aug. 1 letter to Congress. In general, the CBO's "Alternate Fiscal Scenario" assumes a continuation of recent Congressional action overriding existing law.

We view the act's measures as a step toward fiscal consolidation. However, this is within the framework of a legislative mechanism that leaves open the details of what is finally agreed to until the end of 2011, and Congress and the Administration could modify any agreement in the future. Even assuming that at least $2.1 trillion of the spending reductions the act envisages are implemented, we maintain our view that the U.S. net general government debt burden (all levels of government combined, excluding liquid financial assets) will likely continue to grow. Under our revised base case fiscal scenario--which we consider to be consistent with a 'AA+' long-term rating and a negative outlook--we now project that net general government debt would rise from an estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 79% in 2015 and 85% by 2021. Even the projected 2015 ratio of sovereign indebtedness is high in relation to those of peer credits and, as noted, would continue to rise under the act's revised policy settings.

Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act. Key macroeconomic assumptions in the base case scenario include trend real GDP growth of 3% and consumer price inflation near 2% annually over the decade.   

Our revised upside scenario--which, other things being equal, we view as consistent with the outlook on the 'AA+' long-term rating being revised to stable--retains these same macroeconomic assumptions. In addition, it incorporates $950 billion of new revenues on the assumption that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners lapse from 2013 onwards, as the Administration is advocating. In this scenario, we project that the net general government debt would rise from an estimated 74% of GDP by the end of 2011 to 77% in 2015 and to 78% by 2021.

Our revised downside scenario--which, other things being equal, we view as being consistent with a possible further downgrade to a 'AA' long-term  rating--features less-favorable macroeconomic assumptions, as outlined below and also assumes that the second round of spending cuts (at least $1.2 trillion) that the act calls for does not occur. This scenario also assumes somewhat higher nominal interest rates for U.S. Treasuries. We still believe that the role of the U.S. dollar as the key reserve currency confers a government funding advantage, one that could change only slowly over time, and that Fed policy might lean toward continued loose monetary policy at a time of fiscal tightening. Nonetheless, it is possible that interest rates could rise if investors re-price relative risks. As a result, our alternate scenario factors in a 50 basis point (bp)-75 bp rise in 10-year bond yields relative to the base and upside cases from 2013 onwards. In this scenario, we project the net public debt burden would rise from 74% of GDP in 2011 to 90% in 2015 and to 101% by 2021.

Our revised scenarios also take into account the significant negative revisions to historical GDP data that the Bureau of Economic Analysis announced on July 29. From our perspective, the effect of these revisions underscores two related points when evaluating the likely debt trajectory of the U.S. government. First, the revisions show that the recent recession was deeper than previously assumed, so the GDP this year is lower than previously thought in both nominal and real terms. Consequently, the debt burden is slightly higher. Second, the revised data highlight the sub-par path of the current economic recovery when compared with rebounds following previous post-war recessions. We believe the sluggish pace of the current economic recovery could be consistent with the experiences of countries that have had financial crises in which the slow process of debt deleveraging in the private sector leads to a persistent drag on demand. As a result, our downside case scenario assumes relatively modest real trend GDP growth of 2.5% and inflation of near 1.5% annually going forward.

When comparing the U.S. to sovereigns with 'AAA' long-term ratings that we view as relevant peers--Canada, France, Germany, and the U.K.--we also observe, based on our base case scenarios for each, that the trajectory of the U.S.'s net public debt is diverging from the others. Including the U.S., we estimate that these five sovereigns will have net general government debt to GDP ratios this year ranging from 34% (Canada) to 80% (the U.K.), with the U.S. debt burden at 74%. By 2015, we project that their net public debt to GDP ratios will range between 30% (lowest, Canada) and 83% (highest, France), with the U.S. debt burden at 79%. However, in contrast with the U.S., we project that the net public debt burdens of these other sovereigns will begin to decline, either before or by 2015.

Standard & Poor's transfer T&C assessment of the U.S. remains 'AAA'. Our T&C assessment reflects our view of the likelihood of the sovereign restricting other public and private issuers' access to foreign exchange needed to meet debt service. Although in our view the credit standing of the U.S. government has deteriorated modestly, we see little indication that official interference of this kind is entering onto the policy agenda of either Congress or the Administration. Consequently, we continue to view this risk as being highly remote.

Outlook

The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. As our downside alternate fiscal scenario illustrates, a higher public debt trajectory than we currently
assume could lead us to lower the long-term rating again. On the other hand, as our upside scenario highlights, if the recommendations of the Congressional Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction--independently or coupled with other initiatives, such as the lapsing of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for high earners--lead to fiscal consolidation measures beyond the minimum mandated, and we believe they are likely to slow the deterioration of the government's debt dynamics, the long-term rating could stabilize at 'AA+'.

On Monday, we will issue separate releases concerning affected ratings in the funds, government-related entities, financial institutions, insurance, public finance, and structured finance sectors.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/sp-downgrades-us-aa-outlook-negative-full-text



Thanks, Obama. I'm actually shocked S&P had the balls to do this. Where were these ratings agencies in 2008 when they were labeling all that mortgage-based trash AAA? Well, better late than never as the US hasn't been AAA for years.

Perhaps this will convey to liberals the severity of our debt problems. However, I doubt it.

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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2011, 07:10:33 AM »
Funny too - the dope Mal says I claim the sky is falling too much. 


Well what the fuck more do these liberal pieces of garbage need to see how disastrous the course we are on is? 


Disgusting.  They voted for this shit stain and still support him even if the nation collapses. 


Fuck them.   

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 07:16:56 AM »
Not speaking with regards to Mal as he's actually making something of himself, but the other benefit-leeching parasites haven't the faintest idea about any of this stuff, hence their desire to steer discussion towards simpler topics like Bachmann's sneakers or what cereal Palin eats.

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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 07:24:22 AM »


RIP Bob Probert

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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 07:31:23 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2011, 07:33:29 AM »
Do Keynesians agree with Kenyanomics? 

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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2011, 07:42:37 AM »
Do Keynesians agree with Kenyanomics? 

Can't see much of a difference, to be honest.

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 08:24:56 AM »
Where were these guys in 2008? Good question.

Makes me wonder, why now?

 Probably has to do with some type of political plan to start directing blame to those who want fiscal sanity. The few of us that are somewhat economically/mathematically intelligent enough know the truth but the overwhelming majority of idiots like Vince have already started blaming the "tea Party" repubs for this.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 08:33:49 AM »
Maybe that but I think it has more to do with their credibility. They failed hard in 2008 and not downgrading the US now after claiming they were going to would only destroy what little reputation they had left. The Obama admin was trying to strong-arm them into not doing it and it obviously didn't work out.

But the vilification of people who want fiscal sanity has already started. These same far-leftists, who flip their top anytime someone calls a Muslim a terrorist, have no qualms with calling their fellow Americans that. Strange world.

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 09:00:25 AM »
CHINA: "America Needs To Accept The Painful Fact That Good Old Days Are Over"
Business Insider ^ | 08/06/2011 | Gus Lubin




China's official comment on the S&P downgrade was harsh and condescending. Released through Xinhua (via Reuters) the statement condemned America for its "debt addiction" and "short-sighted" political wrangling.

"The U.S. government has to come to terms with the painful fact that the good old days when it could just borrow its way out of messes of its own making are finally gone," Xinhua wrote.

America's largest creditor, China said it will accelerate diversification away from US treasuries, and that meanwhile it demands reform: "China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets," Xinhua said.


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Fucking damn Chinks are a racist as the tea baggers!    Why wont they let a brother borrow more money on the credit card? 

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 09:11:34 AM »
CHINA: "America Needs To Accept The Painful Fact That Good Old Days Are Over"
Business Insider ^ | 08/06/2011 | Gus Lubin




China's official comment on the S&P downgrade was harsh and condescending. Released through Xinhua (via Reuters) the statement condemned America for its "debt addiction" and "short-sighted" political wrangling.

"The U.S. government has to come to terms with the painful fact that the good old days when it could just borrow its way out of messes of its own making are finally gone," Xinhua wrote.

America's largest creditor, China said it will accelerate diversification away from US treasuries, and that meanwhile it demands reform: "China, the largest creditor of the world's sole superpower, has every right now to demand the United States address its structural debt problems and ensure the safety of China's dollar assets," Xinhua said.


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Fucking damn Chinks are a racist as the tea baggers!    Why wont they let a brother borrow more money on the credit card? 

Shameful. I wonder if Obama is proud of what he's done to this country?

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 02:52:52 PM »
PLEASE ONE PIECE OF TRASH OBAMA VOTER REFUTE THIS 


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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 03:19:56 PM »
S&P warns of a second downgrade
Politico ^ | August 6, 2011 | Josh Boak





One day after lowering the nation’s platinum triple-A credit rating, Standard & Poor’s analysts warned Saturday that the U.S. government could face a second downgrade if the economy continues to struggle and the government fails to make the cuts outlined in the debt ceiling agreement.

The ratings agency on Friday downgraded the nation to AA+ for the first time in history, saying partisanship in Washington is preventing dramatic deficit reduction.


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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2011, 04:24:34 PM »
You know, I am also kind of shocked that S+P had the guts to do this, and they did the right thing. But Im kinda pissed off that they didnt have the guts to pin point a particular political party for this. That would present clarity. If you are going to downgrade a country's bond rating, you have a duty to be very specific in your rationale. When the rumor of this first started coming out yesterday before the official announcement, there was a rumor that the Republicans' refusal to accept additional revenue would be cited as a part of the reason. But I didnt really see that in the S+P report. Unfortunately I believe that S+P is trying to be politically correct by being non specific and criticising "both parties for not working together". Its the same sort of gutless and lazy minded views that a lot of independents and moderates make, and it hurts the country by taking away clarity. The fact of the matter is that its the Democrats by and large that are responsible for this. WE have been living with these tax rates for 8-10 years now, and we have only had this kinds of deficits for the past 2-3 years. Yes, I know there are some irresponsible tea party Republicans who are throwing thier arms up and calling for a reboot of the system, but please guys, please. There are far more Democrats and highly prominent Dems that are calling for MORE spending in the face of this bond downgrade. Its rather quite pathetic and intellectually lazy to blame "both parties" for this.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2011, 04:28:29 PM »
AGAIN: 


1.  NO BUDGET IN 2 + YEARS

2.  OBAMA REJECTED SIMPSON BOWLES

3.  OBAMA REJECTED THE RYAN PLAN 

4.  OBAMA REJECTED CUT CAP AND BALANCE 

5.  OBAMA HAS NOT RELEASED HIS OWN PLAN 

6.  GOVT SPENDING IS EXPLODING EVERYWHERE & OBAMADOFF AND THE DEMS REFUSE TO CURTAIL THE EXCESS 






WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED TO KNOW?   

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 05:29:49 PM »
This presidency and congress are a complete disaster.

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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2011, 05:37:34 PM »
This presidency and congress are a complete disaster.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2011, 07:41:10 PM »
You know, I am also kind of shocked that S+P had the guts to do this, and they did the right thing. But Im kinda pissed off that they didnt have the guts to pin point a particular political party for this. That would present clarity. If you are going to downgrade a country's bond rating, you have a duty to be very specific in your rationale. When the rumor of this first started coming out yesterday before the official announcement, there was a rumor that the Republicans' refusal to accept additional revenue would be cited as a part of the reason. But I didnt really see that in the S+P report. Unfortunately I believe that S+P is trying to be politically correct by being non specific and criticising "both parties for not working together". Its the same sort of gutless and lazy minded views that a lot of independents and moderates make, and it hurts the country by taking away clarity. The fact of the matter is that its the Democrats by and large that are responsible for this. WE have been living with these tax rates for 8-10 years now, and we have only had this kinds of deficits for the past 2-3 years. Yes, I know there are some irresponsible tea party Republicans who are throwing thier arms up and calling for a reboot of the system, but please guys, please. There are far more Democrats and highly prominent Dems that are calling for MORE spending in the face of this bond downgrade. Its rather quite pathetic and intellectually lazy to blame "both parties" for this.
The problem is you can't pinpoint one party. There are many people and organizations responsible for this. We did not get to where we are now overnight. This is the result of years and years of mismanagement and failed policies.

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 08:08:14 PM »
The problem is you can't pinpoint one party. There are many people and organizations responsible for this. We did not get to where we are now overnight. This is the result of years and years of mismanagement and failed policies.

We did not get to where we are over night. We got to where we are over 2.5 years, which is the amount of time Obama has been in power. Democrats want to continue spending even in the face of this downgrade. Obama STILL wants to keep extending unemployment benefits at unprecendented levels. He STILL wants to continue spending on infrastructure projects. Do Republicans want to do any of that?  How can you not blame the Dems way more than the Republicans? Another thing that people need to consider is that this is a different crop of Republicans than the ones from the last decade. That's another big reason the "debt hypocracy" charge against the GOP is stupid and silly.
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 08:27:40 PM »
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EDITORIAL: Obama’s downgraded America
The Washington Times ^ | August 6, 2011 | Editorial
Posted on August 6, 2011 11:32:34 PM EDT by jazusamo

S&P tells it like it is: the U.S. is out of money

The Obama administration has made history by presiding over the first-ever downgrade in the U.S. credit rating. President Obama has outdone all his predecessors in wrecking America’s good name. His answer to this problem: Spend even more.

Raising the debt ceiling was sold as a way of guaranteeing the U.S. credit rating. It had the opposite effect, which makes sense to anyone who understands credit. Take a family with a median household income around $50,000. If they spend $85,000 a year and have debt at $300,000 and growing, it’d be foolish to let them borrow more because they don’t have the income to pay it back. Raising the debt ceiling ignored this reality. Then, the Obama administration immediately demonstrated its utter lack of creditworthiness by blowing 60 percent of the initial $400 billion increase in one day, the largest single-day accumulation of debt in U.S. history.

The White House blames the George W. Bush administration for every economic woe, but the numbers speak for themselves. In 2008, the federal budget deficit was around 3 percent of gross domestic product. In 2011, it’s around 11 percent. Total federal debt was $10.7 trillion at the end of 2008 and is currently $14.3 trillion. Debt as a percentage of GDP was a painful 69 percent at the end of the Bush years, but Mr. Obama is pushing it over 100 percent...

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 01:43:53 AM »
We did not get to where we are over night. We got to where we are over 2.5 years, which is the amount of time Obama has been in power. Democrats want to continue spending even in the face of this downgrade. Obama STILL wants to keep extending unemployment benefits at unprecendented levels. He STILL wants to continue spending on infrastructure projects. Do Republicans want to do any of that?  How can you not blame the Dems way more than the Republicans? Another thing that people need to consider is that this is a different crop of Republicans than the ones from the last decade. That's another big reason the "debt hypocracy" charge against the GOP is stupid and silly.
Yes, but when Obama took office the national debt was already 10 trillion dollars. Now it is 14. How did it get to 10? Let me guess, yes, the fake wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And a fake consumer based economy.

No, this thing is much greater than Obama. He is only a puppet anyway. You think the powers that be will let some schmuck control a country like USA? The days of a leader making the decisions have been over for decades. And those that do make their own decisions against the wishes of the powers that be have their contracts cancelled.

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Anger Over Credit Rating Resurfaces in Washington
New York Times ^ | August 6, 2011 | LOUISE STORY, JULIE CRESWELL and GRETCHEN MORGENSON
Posted on August 7, 2011 8:06:01 AM EDT by reaganaut1

The frustration in the air was palpable. Officials from the credit ratings agency Standard & Poor’s were meeting with Congressional leaders on a stifling late day in late July to discuss the thorniest issue in Washington: the effort to cut the nation’s deficit and raise the borrowing limit to avert a default.

S.& P. and two financial industry groups listened to various proposals for debt reduction and warned the lawmakers of the impact a default would have on world markets, according to a Congressional staff member in attendance. The staff member said the agency was providing guidance on what target to hit in budget savings, but lawmakers struggled to understand the agency’s views.

Since that meeting, several lawmakers have publicly questioned whether the ratings agencies have the competence to evaluate the country’s finances, and whether it was appropriate for them to be so deeply involved in discussions of fiscal politics. The criticism reached a fevered pitch after S.& P. announced Friday night that it was downgrading America’s credit rating, a decision that thrust the ratings agencies to the center of the debate over the government’s budget, and prompted renewed scrutiny of an industry that has been harshly criticized since the financial crisis.

The ratings agencies’ purview is traditionally viewed as evaluating data and revenue projections for debt issuers, but they have long taken governance into account for ratings of sovereign nations and corporations. In its announcement Friday night, S.& P. cited the political gridlock in Washington during the debt limit debate as a main reason for its decision. “The gulf between the political parties,” S.& P. said, had reduced its confidence in the government’s ability to manage its finances.

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2011, 05:15:51 AM »
Senior executives for the company that downgraded the nation's credit rating on Friday night have made political donations to Democrats over the last several years.

Deven Sharma, the president of Standard & Poor's, contributed to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand's (D-N.Y.) campaign in 2009 and 2010. He also gave $2,000 to Rep. Jim Himes (D-Conn.) during the 2010 election cycle and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) and then-Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) in the 2008 cycle.

Sharma contributed to one Republican last year, giving $1,000 to Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio).



Pat Milano, another senior executive at S&P, contributed to Gillibrand, Landrieu and Dodd over the last couple of cycles, according to data culled from opensecrets.org.


John Weisenseel, senior vice president of finance at the firm, gave $500 to Himes in 2009. Adam Schuman, executive managing director and associate general counsel, contributed to Gillibrand in 2010.

Catherine Mathis, senior vice president of marketing and communications, gave $1,000 to Gillibrand and $500 to Portman last year.

Meanwhile, Executive Managing Director Alex Matturi in 2010 contributed $750 to Gilliband.

All of these S&P executives are listed as senior managers on the company's website.


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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2011, 06:07:36 AM »
Yes, but when Obama took office the national debt was already 10 trillion dollars. Now it is 14. How did it get to 10? Let me guess, yes, the fake wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And a fake consumer based economy.

No, this thing is much greater than Obama. He is only a puppet anyway. You think the powers that be will let some schmuck control a country like USA? The days of a leader making the decisions have been over for decades. And those that do make their own decisions against the wishes of the powers that be have their contracts cancelled.

The deficit in 2008 was 3%. Not great but very managable. Before the Dems took control of Congress it was 2% or under, which is acceptable and below the past 40 year average. It is now 11% of GDP. There is no comparison. Lets talk about the pink elephant here. Obama is the most incompetent and pathetic leader of my lifetime and one of the worst presidents ever. He is one of the least qualified men to be president ever. This guy is a whole new ball game my friend. We will have much better presidents in the future and aalso medicore  presidents, and even some more bad presideints,  but it is unlikely we will have another one THIS bad again in my lifetime, Democrat or Republican. Thank God.
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Re: S&P downgrades US to AA+
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2011, 06:41:00 AM »
Yes, but when Obama took office the national debt was already 10 trillion dollars. Now it is 14. How did it get to 10? Let me guess, yes, the fake wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And a fake consumer based economy.

No, this thing is much greater than Obama. He is only a puppet anyway. You think the powers that be will let some schmuck control a country like USA? The days of a leader making the decisions have been over for decades. And those that do make their own decisions against the wishes of the powers that be have their contracts cancelled.

eggactly  ;D just got done eating 8 egg whites,but your right, you won't find it  it on this site though because to many here just follow party lines while their own party fu#ks them over.what do you expect when most get their news from just one source foooox news :D