If you could do it all over again...

[aroganttravis]

Whats goin on everyone...been a long time lurker soaking up a lot of knowledge. I feel that im finally ready to take to trip to the darkside so to speak. Ive been told over and over again to take test e only for my first go around. If you had the option to do it all over again would you stick with that or have you seen other gear worked better. ive thought of hgh but it seems pricey and may take a while for some noticeable differences to kick in. Some have said that you have to stay on it for 6 months + to start noticing noticable differences.....thats months worth of hgh.

what do you guys think

[nosleep]

ID DO EXACTLY WHAT IVE DONE...GET ON HUMAN GRADE TEST, AND SLOWLY ADD NEW STUFF...THE BEST ROUTE TO EVENTUALLY WORK UP TO IS TEST, GH, MASTERON. EQ, TREN, DECA, ORALS PRODUCE RESULTS BUT ALSO HARM THE BODY MORE THAN THOSE OTHER 3 COMPOUNDS...MY ENDO SAYS TO TAKE THIS FOR JUST 1-2 CYCLES A YEAR AT MOST AND I INTEND TO START IN 2012. BUT OTHERWISE GET ON TEST...250MG HUMAN GRADE WAS ENOUGH FOR ME ON THE FIRST GO AROUND...AND ADD IN COMPOUNDS AS YOU GO. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT U R STARTING WITH.

[lesaucer]

i would never had stepped in a gym, its all a big addiction, training, diet, drugs, once your in the zone you cant get out unless your kidney fail..and even then...

[aroganttravis]

I do wish that sometimes I never stepped in the gym as well. Ive come to realize that I am never satisfied...which is drawing me to gear...DAMN WEIGHTS!

[nosleep]

i would never had stepped in a gym, its all a big addiction, training, diet, drugs, once your in the zone you cant get out unless your kidney fail..and even then...

ACTUALLY...THIS. ONCE UR IN, UR IN FOR LIFE. UR NOT GONNA GO BACK.

[Arnold jr]

While a good test only cycle is generally safe and effective there's really no cut and dry one size fits all perfect answer. For example, my first cycle was 400mg of EQ for 10 wks, my second cycle was 400mg of EQ for 10 wks with 50mg Winstrol eod day for 6 wks at the end. Neither cycle was that great and in retrospect I could have obviously done better things but would it have made that big of a difference in a long term sense...probably not. My 3rd cycle, which began about 6wks after my 2nd was actually one of the best cycles I've ever ran as I was so young an fresh, 750mg Sust/wk for 12 wks, 400mg Deca/wk for 10wks and 30mg Dbol/ed the first 6wks. I'm not saying you should do this but this was as I consider it my first real cycle. The gains were great and this was the one that got me hooked.

[aroganttravis]

That makes sense arnold.
I Dont want to go thru what you went thru, months down the road I wish I would have done something else. I dont have an unlimited amount of money so ive been looking for something that can get results as well as not break the bank.

[Schmoe Buster]

ACTUALLY...THIS. ONCE UR IN, UR IN FOR LIFE. UR NOT GONNA GO BACK.

This^^^

Before i started juicing i trained in the gym for fun and to get in better shape, look good and feel good, weighed 70kg 8 years ago, i knew of steroids but didnt know where to get them,how to use them etc, never thought about using until after a few years the gains stopped, i kept training, eating etc but my body seemed happy where it was, but i was insecure and lacked confidence in my physical appearence so i started to think about steroids, finally got hold of some Dianabol and the results were amazing and i was hooked, after 5 years of training hard and consistently i got more gains in 2 months on Dianabol and the reaction i got from people was great, well i got hooked, but i have no regrets, my confidence improved and i became more focused not just on training but on the other aspects of my life, i weigh 103kg now, i still feel i should get bigger but not as bad as when i started, the results of steroids are addictive and i think its important to know when too much is too much and try to always use doses that give results but do not give you bad sides and health issues, evetything in moderation, but since when have bodybuilders done anything in moderation

[notsureifsrs]

I wouldn't do my first and only cycle that i did
i wouldn't touch the nolva for 4 weeks like i did
i wouldn't touch the UG gear like i did
i would stock myself with a lot of legit arimidex and masteron from day 1

[nosleep]

While a good test only cycle is generally safe and effective there's really no cut and dry one size fits all perfect answer. For example, my first cycle was 400mg of EQ for 10 wks, my second cycle was 400mg of EQ for 10 wks with 50mg Winstrol eod day for 6 wks at the end. Neither cycle was that great and in retrospect I could have obviously done better things but would it have made that big of a difference in a long term sense...probably not. My 3rd cycle, which began about 6wks after my 2nd was actually one of the best cycles I've ever ran as I was so young an fresh, 750mg Sust/wk for 12 wks, 400mg Deca/wk for 10wks and 30mg Dbol/ed the first 6wks. I'm not saying you should do this but this was as I consider it my first real cycle. The gains were great and this was the one that got me hooked.

ITS WHY IM CURIOUS TO SEE HOW EQ/TEST AND TEST/TREN/MAST WILL WORK ON ME. TO DATE ALL IVE RAN IS TEST/MAST/ORALS...ILL TRY TEST/GH THIS FALL....NO ONE REALLY WITH ANY EXPERIENCE CONSIDERS MY CYCLE A "CYCLE".

[Stavios]

would have done hgh earlier, never get off the sauce for long periods of time like i dit et voila

would be much bigger by now 

[Jack T. Cross]

Reading this thread, I keep thinking of the New Order song "there's nothing I regret..."  lol

Yeah, I'm about to step into the dark side, too.  Thing is, I now understand that there isn't a way back, so it ends up being a really profound decision.  Too bad we have to gamble with all the trash out there just to fulfill our personal choices in this supposedly free country.

Anyway, been reading a lot of stuff in the past several months, and noticed a QandA with Dave Palumbo where he suggests an ideal first cycle of 400 deca EW w/ 200 primo EW.  This is the direction I'm currently headed.

[lesaucer]

Reading this thread, I keep thinking of the New Order song "there's nothing I regret..."  lol

Yeah, I'm about to step into the dark side, too.  Thing is, I now understand that there isn't a way back, so it ends up being a really profound decision.  Too bad we have to gamble with all the trash out there just to fulfill our personal choices in this supposedly free country.

Anyway, been reading a lot of stuff in the past several months, and noticed a QandA with Dave Palumbo where he suggests an ideal first cycle of 400 deca EW w/ 200 primo EW.  This is the direction I'm currently headed.

so you're following the advice of a fucking hypocrit liar that sell fake GH to other bbing fellas?

[bladerunner]

i would have started juicing earlier,much earlier

[Schmoe Buster]

i would have started juicing earlier,much earlier

So would I

[Jack T. Cross]

so you're following the advice of a fucking hypocrit liar that sell fake GH to other bbing fellas?

From what I understand, it was legit GH with a counterfeit label.  Maybe I'm mistaken about this, but it seems he was trying to recover costs by turning over a portion of the lot that he was using himself.  Maybe someone else knows otherwise.

[notsureifsrs]

From what I understand, it was legit GH with a counterfeit label.  Maybe I'm mistaken about this, but it seems he was trying to recover costs by turning over a portion of the lot that he was using himself.  Maybe someone else knows otherwise.

We are in 2011 people like Dave Palumbo will never give you a good advice for free, hell from what i heard even his paid advices are garbage.
lol do yourself a favor and stop reading so called "gurus" free Q&A's

[Stavios]

Reading this thread, I keep thinking of the New Order song "there's nothing I regret..."  lol

Yeah, I'm about to step into the dark side, too.  Thing is, I now understand that there isn't a way back, so it ends up being a really profound decision.  Too bad we have to gamble with all the trash out there just to fulfill our personal choices in this supposedly free country.

Anyway, been reading a lot of stuff in the past several months, and noticed a QandA with Dave Palumbo where he suggests an ideal first cycle of 400 deca EW w/ 200 primo EW.  This is the direction I'm currently headed.

Paul-Lumpy-O sold fake GH to his friends and clients


I wouldn'T trust him

[lesaucer]

and 400mg of deca+200mg primo aint gonna do shit.  maybe 5lbs of lean mass if you're lucky. what i recommend is 750mg test only with a good ai for 12 weeks (VITAL) or 500mg test+dbol first 4 weeks and last 4 weeks, good gains (10-15lbs of LEAN mass+another maybe 10 of water)

[nosleep]

IF I WAS GOING TO COMMIT TO JUICING I'D DONE IT LIKE 1.5 YEARS EARLIER.

AFTER THE FIRST 9 OR SO MONTHS I PUT ON A REAL QUALITY 18 POUNDS....18 OR 20 SO MONTHS LATER? 10 MORE LBS. I SHOULDVE STARTED AFTER 9 MONTHS.

WENT FROM 142 TO 160 IN 9 MONTHS, THEN 170 AFTER 1.5 YEARS. THEN HIT THE JUICE AND AM NOW AT 193LBS AND LEAN.

[Jack T. Cross]

We are in 2011 people like Dave Palumbo will never give you a good advice for free, hell from what i heard even his paid advices are garbage.
lol do yourself a favor and stop reading so called "gurus" free Q&A's

It was just a small percentage of what I'd read over all.

[Jack T. Cross]

Paul-Lumpy-O sold fake GH to his friends and clients


I wouldn'T trust him

Like I say, it seems that product had a counterfeit label, but was legit gh.  Maybe I'm wrong about it, but he was using the same stuff himself so I'd hate to see him get a false rap over it.

But maybe someone can say for sure whether he was trying to deliberately rip people off.  In the end, I suppose only he knows for sure.

[Jack T. Cross]

and 400mg of deca+200mg primo aint gonna do shit.  maybe 5lbs of lean mass if you're lucky. what i recommend is 750mg test only with a good ai for 12 weeks (VITAL) or 500mg test+dbol first 4 weeks and last 4 weeks, good gains (10-15lbs of LEAN mass+another maybe 10 of water)

Yeah, if the shit was typical UG, it probably wouldn't do fuck all.  If it was good shit, and the person were a good responder and it was his first exposure to gear, I would hope for some good effects.

I think DP's reasoning is that such a cycle would have a minimum negative impact to a newbie.

[local hero]

ive said it before, i wish id hit it ten times harder and made a good showing as a jnr instead of listening to 'experienced' gym hands and playing it safe... looking back they knew fuck all

either that or not go on at all, just train for fun and stay natty.....

[DK II]

So would I

same here.