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[makaveli25]

Dude, I took a SHITLOAD of Ibuprofen and still felt like shit. On top of that, I was runnin' a high ass fever followed with cold chills and tremendous pain. I HAD to go to the hospital, man. I couldn't even sit down or even lie down comfortably due to the inflammation.

I can understand that. I've had real painful gear before. I had test prop amps once. They were 2 mil an amp 200mgs. I would shoot one of those and be crippeled for days and feel like shit. Advil would help take the edge off. I threw that shit away. There's some good ug labs out there you just have to do a little research.

[gh15]

you go to them again ,, and tell them to use the ultra sound room and not give you balonie and you dont have time for amaturs,, tell them to keep their anastisia to their own wives since americanos dont know hwo to do it right may get you blind who knows... they usualy do it ok but you nwever know with americanos..they go by book they will get you dead if it was up to a book to do so ,, in any case...this is what you do ..

dont argue!

you go inside,,
you say i want ultra sound poking with needle by the radiowhatever you call it down there usualy in the basment floor of hospital,, he is pro ,, he put a 10 cc 2 even and poke it ,, he can see into your ass with his ultra sound machine like woman prego ,, he will use a needle do local anastisia and fill up some good ole bbq souce in a 10 cc synrge,, then he will either keep on draining by a little wafer he will attach to your ass for few days ....or do nothing if it is small abcess just wrap it and will look at it in 10 days,,

do NOT let them open you inside out! ,, they are amatuers in amaericana they hav eno clue about nothing,,

now you heard me its in your court,, what you have is simple abcess if its even abcess ,, i dont even think its an abcess but if it is ,, it can be solved in the ulta sound room ,, what you will get out of you is bbq souce yeloish redish brownish ,, its not blood its isolated area the body is fighting,, dont do it alone ..let them do it ,, ofcourse the bill will be 10 k ,,,,but! surgery will be 25 k ,,in either way dont pay ,,they dont deserve money they control everything in their people lives and you helped build that place with your taxes,,the goverment need to worry you ! get health insurance for minimal $$ this is how it is in normal places,,

whatever you do do not agree for surgery you will regret it! ,, also it wil be nice if they give you some percoset or ceflex those slow retards,, ask for it,,

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[gh15]

x2 happened to me.  Hurts bad for a few days.

Shoot the quads.

you NEVER shoot the quad! never ,, muscle is too dense and you will end up in trouble,, only ass! only delts with thinner oils ,, mostly ass,, it will go in and it wil be ok ,, ass can take on infections with no problems you dont even feel it half the time

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[flinstones1]

* I'll try and sum this up quickly *

Started my first cycle roughly two months ago ( Test E / D-Bol ). First vial of Test dosed at 250 mg was painless every shot. Sometimes I'd even wonder the next day if I even shot myself. Lol. Btw, I was shootin' 1cc e5d.


Now onto the second vial dosed at 300 mg. EVERY shot gave me some significant pain for 3-4 days, however, after the 3-4 days, I was back to normal ... except for this last time. Did 2cc's this last Friday ( 600 mg's ) and felt fine. Woke up Sat. with my left ass cheek inflammed to high hell. Was hard as a rock and very hot as well as very painful to touch. Not only that, but I was runnin' a fever from hell. Sooo ... I apply cold compresses Sat. and attempt to sleep it off. Sunday comes, the " hard painful cheek " is still there and the fever is slowly dissapaitin'. Monday comes and the fever is gone. The swelling goes down, too, due to the heat pad I had used Sunday night. Hopefully, you guys are still followe here ??


So after ALL this BULLSHIT, I go to the hospital. With NO INSURANCE, mind you. This was yesterday, btw. Hospital draws blood from me, gives me a Cat Scan, draws some more blood, gives me some anti-biotics, etc. etc. Doc comes in and says, " We're not sure what it is. CS shows a small ball of fluid inside the inflammed area that may or may not be an abscess. So, we are going to give you some medicine, have you back in 24 hrs., and decide what to do next. We may have to put you on the cutting table. "


THIS FUCKIN' SUCKS ! My FIRST cycle, too. I've followed ALL injection protocols to the T. I don't understand how this could've happened, bro's. Which is why I'm here. The thing that sucks the most is I had went from 248 to 270 in that time and it was VERY noticeable. Now I'm just depressed and afraid to inject again. Could really use some help here. Thoughts, opinions, etc.


Btw, told Doc, when he asked, that I injected B12. After that I received a lecture from BOTH the Doc and RN about injections. Told me I got get a staph infec. from one and die instantly. So, yeah ... I'm thoroughly fuckin' depressed. I inject myself the SAME way EVERY time. Never had an issues. *

  I remember the first time I touched a needle, I was clumsy nerdy kid, and I was too busy cleaning my damn injection sight with alchohol trying to get every damn speck of it,so I wouldnt get an "abcess" lol.. and wooosh the whole 22g went right through my finger.  the entire 22g all the way down to the bone. LOL .  Really no advice bro other than to suck it up and go with another brand. Normally I would tell you stick with human grade or go home, which is the best advice i can give, but people highly underestimate the amount of fake gear on the market. Sone guys have said 80%, I personally feel it's around 90-95%. Lets say you actually are getting legit human grade products 70% of the time.which is pretty good... 7 out 10 times that is still 3 cycles down the drain. Something we cant afford to risk EVER!!!   My supplier I consider as much of a vet to the human grade scene as anyone , and he wont even bother with human grade test-e anymore he told me straight up. Btw the majority of counterfeit human grade testosterone on the market does contain testosterone..so very rarely will you get amps with no active ingredient which is why guys running fake amps are still gaining in some cases. Of course sometimes you just havfe straight oil though..

Here is some advice that may not like yo hear but I think it will help you.

1)..get a scrypt for test which ANYONE ANY AGE can do. You just have to be williing to look hard enough and you WILL (not may) get a scypt. The key is to get your levels super low. Anadrol is awesome for this. Also boozing and not sleeping and eating a low fat diet for a few weeks will help. It may take alot of convincing and you may need to bring your gf or wife into the doctors office with you( or your sister if you are a hillbilly like GRoink)  Make her put on a slutty outfit or something and flirt with your doc and complain about how your previous steroid abuse leaves your dick soft and how your pathetic ass cant satisfy her. I dont care what it takes iron disciple  you do what you have to do! So now you solved your problem with testosterone and never worry about being shut down. Now listen to Disgusted and choose one compound from a reputable ugl (not test).   Try it.. If its legit, buy a fuckload of it. Dont think for a minute that every one of us on this board would not be running 5 different human grade compounds if we could, because oh we would I would love to be running some zambons,  a couple of norma deca, a couple of norma testo, you bet your ass I would. But its a luxaary that we just dont have as of 2011 this is not the 90's. NOT SAYING ITS IMPOSSIBLE..before one of you fools post up pics of your legit "testex" but it is very risky. Honestly, Im still not so hot on using ugl gear as in the past I would of never considered it.. but you do what you gotta do man.

[gh15]

That sucks. That's not how a first cycle should be. Try to look at it positively, it could have been worse. 


I've been lucky that I haven't had an abscess so far. And I only know one guy who did; he said he shot some IP gear into his arm. Now he has a nasty scar there... they sliced it up and kept packing it with gauze until it healed.
A couple of months ago my delt swelled up and felt hard as a rock.
I was a bit freaked but since the delt wasn't hot or red I tried to calm myself down, to wait and see. It went away in a few days, luckily. Yes it was UG gear... I figured it wasn't infection due to bacteria so I used up the rest of the bottle without problems, though I put less of it in one place. Cut it with HG test too.

gh15 knows a lot about abscesses, maybe he could chime in. I know he thinks some docs like to slice up people unnesessarily.

he shoud pm me ,,i dont read this boaridng much but! i wrote it in bible about 305 times in the past ,, i had few postings dedicated to this,, if you go and let them open your leg or ass inside out you are A SUCCER OF THE MOST FUCKED UP KIND!,, they want yhour money not your health ,, they want more money ,, economy collapse they prefer to catch right ear with left hand...insted of the right hand....god i dispize the system in americana,, doctors are no doctors,, the only thing that make them advance is the money that USED TO BE INVESTED in everything,, its nto the quality of the doctors,, its catastrophic ,,

dont let them fool you ,, what you have is NOTHING,, I DOTN EVEN BELIVEE ITS AN ABCESS,, abcess usualy come from mixing water product with oil products and for good month,,most ug now are sterile enough and ass clear everything with no problem,, some fellas use the same needles they used before for 100 times into ass,, and im not joking,, they clean it with alcohol but use same damn needle lol ,, ofcourse i recomend new needle because penetration will be easier and smooth ....but some are that lazy lol

dont let them open you up ,, make noise! female is even better to make noise,, make yoru girl make nose

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[flinstones1]

btw Im not saying that ugl gear is bad. There are some damn good cooks around.. Jews have small bodies and the body is not as resiliant to the contaiminants which is why I always went human grade in the past.

[gh15]

 I remember the first time I touched a needle, I was clumsy nerdy kid, and I was too busy cleaning my damn injection sight with alchohol trying to get every damn speck of it,so I wouldnt get an "abcess" lol.. and wooosh the whole 22g went right through my finger.  the entire 22g all the way down to the bone. LOL .  Really no advice bro other than to suck it up and go with another brand. Normally I would tell you stick with human grade or go home, which is the best advice i can give, but people highly underestimate the amount of fake gear on the market. Sone guys have said 80%, I personally feel it's around 90-95%. Lets say you actually are getting legit human grade products 70% of the time.which is pretty good... 7 out 10 times that is still 3 cycles down the drain. Something we cant afford to risk EVER!!!   My supplier I consider as much of a vet to the human grade scene as anyone , and he wont even bother with human grade test-e anymore he told me straight up. Btw the majority of counterfeit human grade testosterone on the market does contain testosterone..so very rarely will you get amps with no active ingredient which is why guys running fake amps are still gaining in some cases. Of course sometimes you just havfe straight oil though..

Here is some advice that may not like yo hear but I think it will help you.

1)..get a scrypt for test which ANYONE ANY AGE can do. You just have to be williing to look hard enough and you WILL (not may) get a scypt. The key is to get your levels super low. Anadrol is awesome for this. Also boozing and not sleeping and eating a low fat diet for a few weeks will help. It may take alot of convincing and you may need to bring your gf or wife into the doctors office with you( or your sister if you are a hillbilly like GRoink)  Make her put on a slutty outfit or something and flirt with your doc and complain about how your previous steroid abuse leaves your dick soft and how your pathetic ass cant satisfy her. I dont care what it takes iron disciple  you do what you have to do! So now you solved your problem with testosterone and never worry about being shut down. Now listen to Disgusted and choose one compound from a reputable ugl (not test).   Try it.. If its legit, buy a fuckload of it. Dont think for a minute that every one of us on this board would not be running 5 different human grade compounds if we could, because oh we would I would love to be running some zambons,  a couple of norma deca, a couple of norma testo, you bet your ass I would. But its a luxaary that we just dont have as of 2011 this is not the 90's. NOT SAYING ITS IMPOSSIBLE..before one of you fools post up pics of your legit "testex" but it is very risky. Honestly, Im still not so hot on using ugl gear as in the past I would of never considered it.. but you do what you gotta do man.

this is a good post!

read and learn,,

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[Meso_z]

you NEVER shoot the quad! never ,, muscle is too dense and you will end up in trouble,, only ass! only delts with thinner oils ,, mostly ass,, it will go in and it wil be ok ,, ass can take on infections with no problems you dont even feel it half the time

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Quads are my favoureite spot. No blood coming out, no pain, no infection, ever..

[gh15]

Quads are my favoureite spot. No blood coming out, no pain, no infection, ever..

until you try to put in zambons with the masteron diff injections into the quads...then mooshy times start,, but over all i just do not recomend quad injections,,ass was meant for it if something happen with the leg you are fucked...with the ass..worst thing that can happen is you wont be able to sit or sleep on that side for a day,, a leg can lock on you big time,,trust me you never want to feel how a leg lock on you and you cant bend it ,, never wanna feel it! from 30 year old you will go to 70 year old in a matter of hours!

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[flinstones1]

you say scar tissue doesnt afffect absorbtion and hormone will still get into the blood. I know that when a diabetic takes insulin sub-q in stomach they tell them to constantly change sights on the stomach to avoid scar tissue. If not, it will eventually cause delay absorbtion of insulin. Why would this not apply to  AAS in the ass cheek?

I loved it when the needle used to glide in smoothly when your a virgin lol... but Im getting mad scar tissue hitting the same spot over and over again. I think Im gonna pick me up some 25g, I dont care if I sit with that needle in me 20 minutes, its worth it.

[gh15]

you say scar tissue doesnt afffect absorbtion and hormone will still get into the blood. I know that when a diabetic takes insulin sub-q in stomach they tell them to constantly change sights on the stomach to avoid scar tissue. If not, it will eventually cause delay absorbtion of insulin. Why would this not apply to  AAS in the ass cheek?

I loved it when the needle used to glide in smoothly when your a virgin lol... but Im getting mad scar tissue hitting the same spot over and over again. I think Im gonna pick me up some 25g, I dont care if I sit with that needle in me 20 minutes, its worth it.

it go through scar tissue into blood ,, may delay absorbtion by few hours...over all mirror and pictures are your best judge ...you will know if its in the blood or no ,, very easy to know when hormones dont flow in blood,, also i inject reghularly tne and dianabola and anadrola with 30 gauge insulina needle into delts,,thats the only way you can do it over and over ...id go nuts if i had to do it 2 time a day into ass every single day inaddition to the rest of the injects,,30 gaugae 1/2 inch will take tne and put it right into the delt smoothly and painlessly

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[Meso_z]

until you try to put in zambons with the masteron diff injections into the quads...then mooshy times start,, but over all i just do not recomend quad injections,,ass was meant for it if something happen with the leg you are fucked...with the ass..worst thing that can happen is you wont be able to sit or sleep on that side for a day,, a leg can lock on you big time,,trust me you never want to feel how a leg lock on you and you cant bend it ,, never wanna feel it! from 30 year old you will go to 70 year old in a matter of hours!

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no thanks!!!!

[chess315]

like gh15 said dont pay the hospital lol ya you prolly have whats called virgin muscle plus amateur injection technique. everyone i know hurts there self in some way in there first few shots its common. divid up into  two shots a week. if it makes u fill safer you can put a venting needle in your test and bake it for a while that will kill any possible bacteria I think 200 degrees if i memeber right for bout 45 min

[The_Iron_Disciple]

A LOT of good info here, fellas. Thank you ALL for the replies. Have took some notes and DEFINITELY will be tryin' some new things. Of course, speakin' of new things, just shot a cc into my right cheek. Hopefully, THIS stuff is legit and painless. Time will tell. Have a good one, my brothers in iron and juice.

[chess315]

truely your gear is proll all right iron raider it takes practice giving injections and also 600mg is a lot for someone to take in one inject thats not use to it when i see people start they always have simlar problems like they call me and say I cant walk lol the baking it you might wanna look up the temp to be sure seems to reduce pain itself and it make sure there is not bacteria in it. I would at the very least shot only one ml up twice a week if not divid it by 3 less gear oil less pain. Ive and prolly everyone on here has had injects hurt so bad at time you cant walk damn near and ive had it last for 5 days or more and never had an absses and im a tough sob

[chess315]

just like anything else if you injected 5 times and someone has didnt 1000 you get better and start learning how to avoid pain lol

[Rearden Metal]

it go through scar tissue into blood ,, may delay absorbtion by few hours...over all mirror and pictures are your best judge ...you will know if its in the blood or no ,, very easy to know when hormones dont flow in blood,, also i inject reghularly tne and dianabola and anadrola with 30 gauge insulina needle into delts,,thats the only way you can do it over and over ...id go nuts if i had to do it 2 time a day into ass every single day inaddition to the rest of the injects,,30 gaugae 1/2 inch will take tne and put it right into the delt smoothly and painlessly

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1/2" is deep enough in the delt for AAS? and how do you draw TNE with a 30guage pin? I just ordered 6 bottles of TNE for bible index after the competition 

[Arnold jr]

Guys I'm not trying to be a jackass but this thread has more retarded comments than I've ever seen.

First off, injections are not hard...it's not like you become a professional injector, an idiot on the short bus can inject as good as anyone. And all the "heat the gear" don't put a certain amount of mg's and cc's in one injection....etc, etc....it's all retarded nonsense. All this stuff has floated around message boards for years but this thread has managed to become the one size fits all for the retarded myths.

What I find really funny is how so many of you on here (the getbig steroid section) have bought into this "don't think" mentality in a lot of ways about gear but when it comes to the actual injection itself you're making it out to be nuclear science.

[Stavios]

I shoot 1 inches in the delts always

[Stavios]

Guys I'm not trying to be a jackass but this thread has more retarded comments than I've ever seen.

First off, injections are not hard...it's not like you become a professional injector, an idiot on the short bus can inject as good as anyone. And all the "heat the gear" don't put a certain amount of mg's and cc's in one injection....etc, etc....it's all retarded nonsense. All this stuff has floated around message boards for years but this thread has managed to become the one size fits all for the retarded myths.

What I find really funny is how so many of you on here (the getbig steroid section) have bought into this "don't think" mentality in a lot of ways about gear but when it comes to the actual injection itself you're making it out to be nuclear science.

try shooting 3 cc of test 300 in each tris like good old Stavios, and when your triceps looks like a baloon come back on this thread 

[chess315]

ya i dont see how thats a myth if you shoot more painful gear then less its going to hurt more.  and heating gear can help i know that for a fact to a long time ago i made some prop it hurt very bad after heating it was a lot better. This is not stuff i have read u shoot 300mg of prop it hurt worse then 150 i know that for a fact and I also know people that just start injecting themselves tend to run into this problem a lot because I have them call me and tell me I can walk and so forth. I have no doubt you know more about this stuff then I prolly ever will but some of them things are in no way really myths. also its common knowledge the first few shots tend to hurt more for what ever reason im not really going to hypothise why but it does. I just am trying to offer anything that can help someone out all this stuff i have tried myself and its very common for people on there first cycle to have similar problems. Injecting inst rocket science but you do tend to become accostomed to what hurts and doesnt.

[tlc]

Had pip from my first few shots of test e (into quads) then started adding a cc of mast every shot and zero grief since.

Don't know how people can see what the hell they are doing, shooting into their butts  

[Arnold jr]

I'm not saying there aren't rules to follow but there's IMO simple obvious truths that are just that...obvious.

I've injected 3cc's into my pecs, delts and glutes many times and never had a problem. I've injected 1cc into my glute or delts before and gotten some of the biggest most painful sores you've ever seen. The difference...when I got painful sores or massive lumps it was crappy gear, if it was something legit like true Testoviron or something like that I've never had a problem and don't know anyone who has.

Again, yes, there are rules; I tend to agree with GH15 with what he said about Winny, I remember injecting 1cc of Zambon into my left quad and not being able to walk right for several days with a nasty swollen bruised leg to boot. I also am not a fan of bicep injections in general as they are too sensitive for a lot of guys, yet some guys tolerate it very well.

[chess315]

well said arnold I know you prolly get this a lot but are you the actual arnold

[gh15]

1/2" is deep enough in the delt for AAS? and how do you draw TNE with a 30guage pin? I just ordered 6 bottles of TNE for bible index after the competition 

yes,, if you are low bodyfat 6-8 even if more in delts is no problem it go to the muscle if you are lean enough under 10% very easy to hit muscle in delts,, if you cant hit it with half inch then you are good 18% or over

and yes 29-30gauge,, but many of you get fake bunk products,, real tne is made with guiacaol,,it will not hold other way,, gbuiacol and the oil mix are very thin very water like,, and easily sucked with 30 inch gauge,,we pro use it as secret for many many years going on 20 years now

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