Author Topic: Ron Paul: Cut Foreign Aid, Unshackle Israel, Leave Iran Alone (Read 8598 times)

Freeborn126 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:17:46 PM »

When he wins the iowa straw poll saturday his campaign will go viral and the neocon era will be over

Deicide · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:31:52 PM »

Quote from: Freeborn126 on August 12, 2011, 04:17:46 PM

When he wins the iowa straw poll saturday his campaign will go viral and the neocon era will be over

As much as I love RP...do you really think that is possible?

tonymctones · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2011, 04:34:56 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 12, 2011, 04:31:52 PM

As much as I love RP...do you really think that is possible?

no, if he wins the primary he will undoubtedly beat obama...but his odds of winning the primary are very low

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:00:20 PM »

I wish he were 20 years younger. The people still have a long way to go when it comes to understanding what he's saying.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:02:00 PM »

Highly unlikely he wins the Iowa straw poll, but even if he does, it's not a predictor of whether he will win the nomination. Romney won the last one. McCain was third.

If you want to more accurately gauge his chances, you should look at how he performed in his home state of Texas in the 2008 primary, and whether he can beat someone like Perry in the 2012 Texas primary.

If I had to guess, I'd say he comes in third or fourth. But who knows? He has some rabid supporters.

tonymctones · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:17:55 PM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on August 12, 2011, 05:00:20 PM

I wish he were 20 years younger. The people still have a long way to go when it comes to understanding what he's saying.

yup, I agree on both parts...

he is the best choice out there but he does have some stances that simply arent realistic

Emmortal · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:40:57 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 05:17:55 PM

he is the best choice out there but he does have some stances that simply arent realistic

What stances do you feel are unrealistic?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:42:47 PM »

His answer about the orderly liquidation of bad debt had me yelling at the tv.

I was like "finally!".

It probably was too complex for the average idiot to grasp, but he nailed that answer out of the park.

Fury · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:43:47 PM »

Quote from: Bindare_Dundat on August 12, 2011, 05:00:20 PM

I wish he were 20 years younger. The people still have a long way to go when it comes to understanding what he's saying.

There's a better version of him that's in that age range - his son.

andreisdaman · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:47:38 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 12, 2011, 04:31:52 PM

As much as I love RP...do you really think that is possible?

no...people like their crackpots on the outside of politics......like Donald Trump for example

andreisdaman · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:48:51 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 12, 2011, 05:42:47 PM

His answer about the orderly liquidation of bad debt had me yelling at the tv.

I was like "finally!".

It probably was too complex for the average idiot to grasp, but he nailed that answer out of the park.

you're an idiot as well...how would you know?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2011, 05:54:23 PM »

Yeah cause sacking the taxpayer with trillions of bad debt is really a viable situation.

tonymctones · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2011, 06:03:05 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on August 12, 2011, 05:40:57 PM

What stances do you feel are unrealistic?

his foreign policy for the most part, its niave to think that we can just pack and leave some places and it not come back to bite us in the ass later on.

I agree on alot of places, but to think that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone is just plain niave.

I would be ok with surgical strikes/special forces etc as opposed to having a butt load of troops on the ground but we cant just think that if we leave them alone they wont bother us.

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2011, 06:19:22 PM »

headhuntersix · « **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2011, 06:36:00 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 06:03:05 PM

his foreign policy for the most part, its niave to think that we can just pack and leave some places and it not come back to bite us in the ass later on.

I agree on alot of places, but to think that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone is just plain niave.

I would be ok with surgical strikes/special forces etc as opposed to having a butt load of troops on the ground but we cant just think that if we leave them alone they wont bother us.

Domestically he's fine...but I agree with Tony..u just can't do what he wants. And I suspect he wouldn't be able. I think Obama would eat him alive in the debates because he just doesn't look good on TV.

tonymctones · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2011, 06:44:25 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on August 12, 2011, 06:36:00 PM

Domestically he's fine...but I agree with Tony..u just can't do what he wants. And I suspect he wouldn't be able. I think Obama would eat him alive in the debates because he just doesn't look good on TV.

yup gives great answers just doesnt present it that well.

ppl have to listen to what he is saying, not just how he is saying it and the majority of the country doesnt do that.

Emmortal · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2011, 06:45:05 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 06:03:05 PM

his foreign policy for the most part, its niave to think that we can just pack and leave some places and it not come back to bite us in the ass later on.

I agree on alot of places, but to think that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone is just plain niave.

I would be ok with surgical strikes/special forces etc as opposed to having a butt load of troops on the ground but we cant just think that if we leave them alone they wont bother us.

You realize Iran hasn't attacked anyone in over 100 years? As far as Afghanistan goes, it could be argue we've created more insurgents and more resentment to us through this war than there ever was to begin with. I recall reading that over 90% of the Afghan population hadn't even heard of 9/11 or what happened. How do you think they feel with us beeing there? I would be pretty pissed myself.

tonymctones · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:06:46 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on August 12, 2011, 06:45:05 PM

You realize Iran hasn't attacked anyone in over 100 years? As far as Afghanistan goes, it could be argue we've created more insurgents and more resentment to us through this war than there ever was to begin with. I recall reading that over 90% of the Afghan population hadn't even heard of 9/11 or what happened. How do you think they feel with us beeing there? I would be pretty pissed myself.

hahahah and you know one of the main reasons iran hasnt attacked anyone? b/c they know that if they do we will deliver a swift and quick response....

It could be argued that weve gathered all the insurgents in one place which makes it easier to kill them...LOL doesnt make it true

again simply leaving and thinking that they will leave us alone if we leave them alone is just plain stupid.

Emmortal · « **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:11:03 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 07:06:46 PM

hahahah and you know one of the main reasons iran hasnt attacked anyone? b/c they know that if they do we will deliver a swift and quick response....

It could be argued that weve gathered all the insurgents in one place which makes it easier to kill them...LOL doesnt make it true

again simply leaving and thinking that they will leave us alone if we leave them alone is just plain stupid.

The point is they are about as much of a threat to US as North Korea is, flacid at best. China is a much bigger threat to the US and how have we handled them?

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:32:39 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 06:03:05 PM

his foreign policy for the most part, its niave to think that we can just pack and leave some places and it not come back to bite us in the ass later on.

I agree on alot of places, but to think that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone is just plain niave.

I would be ok with surgical strikes/special forces etc as opposed to having a butt load of troops on the ground but we cant just think that if we leave them alone they wont bother us.

Oh, because they hate us just because we're free right?

Roger Bacon · « **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:35:05 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 07:06:46 PM

It could be argued that weve gathered all the insurgents in one place which makes it easier to kill them...

We didn't gather them all in one place, we created them.

Had Iraq attacked us for no reason (like we did them), you and me would be the "insurgents".

tonymctones · « **Reply #22 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:35:23 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on August 12, 2011, 07:11:03 PM

The point is they are about as much of a threat to US as North Korea is, flacid at best. China is a much bigger threat to the US and how have we handled them?

totally agree, but my point is that we cant simply have the attitude that we can ignore situations outside of our country and not expect to have negative consequences...

paul seems to hold the idea that we can basically turn our back on the entire worlds problems and we will be fine...

that is not realistic.

tonymctones · « **Reply #23 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:36:29 PM »

Quote from: P.I.P on August 12, 2011, 07:32:39 PM

Oh, because they hate us just because we're free right?

doesnt matter why they hate us at this point, the point is they hate us and US JUST LEAVING WONT STOP THAT!!!

do you guys disagree with that?

do you guys think if we leave them alone they will leave us alone?

Bindare_Dundat · « **Reply #24 on:** August 12, 2011, 07:56:31 PM »

Quote from: tonymctones on August 12, 2011, 07:36:29 PM

doesnt matter why they hate us at this point, the point is they hate us and US JUST LEAVING WONT STOP THAT!!!

do you guys disagree with that?

do you guys think if we leave them alone they will leave us alone?

There will always be miltants but the level of threat they become is totally tied in with what level we interfere over there, meaning, chances of attack would be nil if we left the middle east alone.