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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #125 on: August 14, 2011, 09:27:28 AM »
Look at this fucking gem. LOLZers

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The War on Religion

by Rep. Ron Paul

As we celebrate another Yuletide season, it's hard not to notice that Christmas in America simply doesn't feel the same anymore. Although an overwhelming majority of Americans celebrate Christmas, and those who don't celebrate it overwhelmingly accept and respect our nation's Christmas traditions, a certain shared public sentiment slowly has disappeared. The Christmas spirit, marked by a wonderful feeling of goodwill among men, is in danger of being lost in the ongoing war against religion.

Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view. The justification is always that someone, somewhere, might possibly be offended or feel uncomfortable living in the midst of a largely Christian society, so all must yield to the fragile sensibilities of the few. The ultimate goal of the anti-religious elites is to transform America into a completely secular nation, a nation that is legally and culturally biased against Christianity.

This growing bias explains why many of our wonderful Christmas traditions have been lost. Christmas pageants and plays, including Handel's Messiah, have been banned from schools and community halls. Nativity scenes have been ordered removed from town squares, and even criticized as offensive when placed on private church lawns. Office Christmas parties have become taboo, replaced by colorless seasonal parties to ensure no employees feel threatened by a “hostile environment.” Even wholly non-religious decorations featuring Santa Claus, snowmen, and the like have been called into question as Christmas symbols that might cause discomfort. Earlier this month, firemen near Chicago reluctantly removed Christmas decorations from their firehouse after a complaint by some embittered busybody. Most noticeably, however, the once commonplace refrain of “Merry Christmas” has been replaced by the vague, ubiquitous “Happy Holidays.” But what holiday? Is Christmas some kind of secret, a word that cannot be uttered in public? Why have we allowed the secularists to intimidate us into downplaying our most cherished and meaningful Christian celebration?

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage. Christmas itself may soon be a casualty of that war.
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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #126 on: August 14, 2011, 09:29:13 AM »
http://www.irregulartimes.com/ronpaulseparation.html

Ron Paul Seeks to Destroy
Separation of Church and State



Ron Paul, as a libertarian, claims to value liberty and to be dedicated to the protection of the liberties guaranteed in the Constitution. In truth, however, Congressman Paul has worked to devalue the liberty guaranteed in the First Amendment to the Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights.

Ron Paul has worked to hobble the freedom of religion, claiming that there should be no separation of Church and State in American government. In a speech in 2002 explaining his introduction of legislation that would forbid American federal district courts and federal claims courts from hearing cases in which citizens claim to have had their religious freedom violated, Representative Paul complained,

"In case after case, the Supreme Court has used the infamous 'Separation of Church and State' metaphor to uphold court decisions that allow the federal government to intrude upon and deprive citizens of their religious liberty."
Ron Paul further complained in that speech that the government ought not to be blocked from establishing official prayers in schools and at public events, and promoting the Old Testament as the source of American law in courthouses through the exclusive display of the Ten Commandments. In doing so, Ron Paul sided with radical right wing Christian zealots who seek theocracy, like Judge Roy Moore from Alabama.

Ron Paul's legislation, if enacted, would have enabled a two-class system of rights in America, with members of majority religious groups able to establish special rights to enforce their beliefs through the power of government institutions, and others unable to protect their right to not participate in the majority's religious rituals through the constitutionally-guaranteed access to the courts.

The separation of Church and State is not, as Ron Paul claims, infamous. It is celebrated by those who truly cherish liberty. The separation of Church and State has been invaluable in protecting the citizens of the United States of America from the establishment of a tyrannical theocracy of the sort envisioned by many of Ron Paul's Republican political allies. (Source: Congressional Record, June 13, 2002)

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #127 on: August 14, 2011, 09:32:08 AM »
The man is oblivious to Science.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

Climate change
In an October 2007 interview, Paul held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization."[226] He declined to name any particular environmental heroes and affirmed no special environmental achievements other than his educating the people about free-market solutions rather than "government expenditures and special-interest politics."[227]

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #128 on: August 14, 2011, 09:34:24 AM »
Jeeeze Adam, you may know hOw to read but you sure as hell don't know how to understand what's being said.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #129 on: August 14, 2011, 09:35:40 AM »



POOP PAUL would not mind BANNING ATHEIST FROM PUBLIC OFFICE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion" from the jurisdiction of federal courts.[143] If made law, this provision would purportedly permit state, county, and local governments to decide whether to allow displays of religious text and imagery and whether to ban atheists from public office, but would not interfere with the application of relevant federal law.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #130 on: August 14, 2011, 09:36:42 AM »
Jeeeze Adam, you may know hOw to read but you sure as he'll don't know how to understand what's being said.
The guy is a religious moron plain and simple.  Sorry, the facts are the facts.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #131 on: August 14, 2011, 10:24:21 AM »


POOP PAUL would not mind BANNING ATHEIST FROM PUBLIC OFFICE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion" from the jurisdiction of federal courts.[143] If made law, this provision would purportedly permit state, county, and local governments to decide whether to allow displays of religious text and imagery and whether to ban atheists from public office, but would not interfere with the application of relevant federal law.

purportedly: assuming, supposedly

You do alot of this and that is where you fail understanding many of his positions.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #132 on: August 14, 2011, 10:28:17 AM »
Climate change
In an October 2007 interview, Paul held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization."[226] He declined to name any particular environmental heroes and affirmed no special environmental achievements other than his educating the people about free-market solutions rather than "government expenditures and special-interest politics."[

You live in the "provided by government" world and I'll live in the "free market world", we'll see what your life is like in 20 years and we'll see what mine is like. I bet you mine is better then yours, tenfold.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #133 on: August 14, 2011, 10:59:38 AM »
Climate change
In an October 2007 interview, Paul held that climate change is not a "major problem threatening civilization."[226] He declined to name any particular environmental heroes and affirmed no special environmental achievements other than his educating the people about free-market solutions rather than "government expenditures and special-interest politics."[

You live in the "provided by government" world and I'll live in the "free market world", we'll see what your life is like in 20 years and we'll see what mine is like. I bet you mine is better then yours, tenfold.
There are some things that the free market has NO INTEREST IN FIXING WHATSOEVER.  Climate Change, Healthcare and the Banking Industry are some of the biggest the Free Market will do nothing to fix or remedy.

With that said, you Poop Paulers yell FREE MARKET FREE MARKET from the top of your lungs than you get all pissed when Fox News, which is a FREE MARKET CORPORATION wants to silence and get rid of Ron Paul and limit his time.  Why do they not get to exhibit their Free Market rights.  They should be able to permanently ban Ron Paul from ever appearing on their network right?  Yet you Pooptards squeal at this.  Kind of amusing.

Then....There is a whole sector of Pooptards like Deicide who despise Corporatism, yet the very idea and tenants of FREE MARKET principles sole purposes are to benefit large Corporations.

Pooptards really don`t have any firm beliefs or grounding.  They hear words like Freedom and Liberty and their ears perk up.  Too bad Poop Paul has no intention of allowing either.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #134 on: August 14, 2011, 11:27:46 AM »
There are some things that the free market has NO INTEREST IN FIXING WHATSOEVER.  Climate Change, Healthcare and the Banking Industry are some of the biggest the Free Market will do nothing to fix or remedy.

With that said, you Poop Paulers yell FREE MARKET FREE MARKET from the top of your lungs than you get all pissed when Fox News, which is a FREE MARKET CORPORATION wants to silence and get rid of Ron Paul and limit his time.  Why do they not get to exhibit their Free Market rights.  They should be able to permanently ban Ron Paul from ever appearing on their network right?  Yet you Pooptards squeal at this.  Kind of amusing.

Then....There is a whole sector of Pooptards like Deicide who despise Corporatism, yet the very idea and tenants of FREE MARKET principles sole purposes are to benefit large Corporations.

Pooptards really don`t have any firm beliefs or grounding.  They hear words like Freedom and Liberty and their ears perk up.  Too bad Poop Paul has no intention of allowing either.



FOX has a right to do what they do, just as I and many others have the freedom to voice our anger and expose their tactics. What do you think has been going on the last few years and in case you havent noticed we are gaining more traction despite their attempts to silence us. Whats your point again?  Are you suggesting we should just shut up when we feel something is unjust?

What is wrong with corporations that benefit monetarily? I dont have a problem with that. If they are breaking laws they should be dealt with appropriately. You have difficulty making a distinction between crony capitalism and a true free market. They aren't the same thing and making money isn't evil, so again, I don't get what you are driving at.




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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #135 on: August 14, 2011, 05:33:26 PM »
Fucking Loony.  The man hates Science. He also does not believe in Thomas Jefferson`s WALL OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.


http://www.ontheissues.org/ron_paul.htm
Present scientific facts that support creationism. (Sep 2007)
Tax-credited programs for Christian schooling. (Sep 2007)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Abortion is murder. (Apr 2008)
Roe v. Wade decision was harmful to the Constitution. (Apr 2008)
Define life at conception in law, as scientific statement. (Feb 2008)
Thanks, someone should call him on these things in an interview.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #136 on: August 14, 2011, 06:12:37 PM »
Thanks, someone should call him on these things in an interview.
They won`t because this is mainstream Republican thought.  They really are "teh stupid" when it comes to Science, evidence and just plain old hard facts.  Its unbelievable really.

And the Pooptards are even worse.  They twist themselves into pretzels in order to rationalize Ron Poops irrational stupidity.  Wait around here long enough and you will see precisely what I mean.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #137 on: August 14, 2011, 06:27:05 PM »
They won`t because this is mainstream Republican thought.  They really are "teh stupid" when it comes to Science, evidence and just plain old hard facts.  Its unbelievable really.

And the Pooptards are even worse.  They twist themselves into pretzels in order to rationalize Ron Poops irrational stupidity.  Wait around here long enough and you will see precisely what I mean.

 Wait around here long enough and you'll see just how irrational Adams hate towards anyone expressing any form of religous/spiritual faith is. I would describe myself as atheistic agnostic but I don't feel threatened at all about his stance on abortion, when life starts, a wish for students to practice Christianity or whatever along those lines.  In the grand scheme of things those topics mean little to me when the country is going broke and theres all out blantant  corruption in politics.

Adam would die with a hard on if science was allowed to splice a fetus into the skin of an apple if it meant for a juicer fruit. He has no moral compass whatsoever on some issues and a clear disdain for anyone that has one.  

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #138 on: August 14, 2011, 06:34:21 PM »
Wait around here long enough and you'll see just how irrational Adams hate towards anyone expressing any form of religous faith is. I would describe myself as atheistic agnostic but I don't feel threatened at all about his stance on abortion, when life starts, a wish for students to practice Christianity or whatever along those lines.  In the grand scheme of things those topics mean little to me when the country is going broke and theres all out blantant  corruption in politics.

Adam would die with a hard on if science was allowed to splice a fetus into the skin of an apple if it meant for a juicer fruit. He has no moral compass whatsoever on some issues and a clear disdain for anyone that has one. 
Religion has NOTHING, Zero to with morality, or a moral compass (whatever that is).  Most Republican`s moral compasses point them straight to the men`s room with their pants below their ankles while the country burns to the ground (mostly caused by their policies).

I do not respect any religion.  Why should I?  There is nothing to respect and it provides humanity with nothing other than a delusion.

Furthermore, Ron Poop is not too terrible, but Obama is still a better choice even though hes probably more Right Wing than Ron Poop these days.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #139 on: August 14, 2011, 06:37:02 PM »
Am I the only person who realizes that the Iowa Straw Poll has only successfully picked the Republican nomination twice in the past 30 years when they were not the incumbent?

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #140 on: August 14, 2011, 06:37:58 PM »
Religion has NOTHING, Zero to with morality, or a moral compass (whatever that is).  Most Republican`s moral compasses point them straight to the men`s room with their pants below their ankles while the country burns to the ground (mostly caused by their policies).

I do not respect any religion.  Why should I?  There is nothing to respect and it provides humanity with nothing other than a delusion.

Furthermore, Ron Poop is not too terrible, but Obama is still a better choice even though hes probably more Right Wing than Ron Poop these days.

You are nuts.   Religion provides at least some prudence and some moral guidance for people that we all need.  

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #141 on: August 14, 2011, 06:41:22 PM »
You are nuts.   Religion provides at least some prudence and some moral guidance for people that we all need.  
So you are saying without Religion they would be trying to kill us all, robbing us at every street corner, raping our girlfriends and wives, looking for babies to use as target practice and the only thing stopping them from doing any of this is Jesus Christ?

Really?  If thats the case and the only thing holding them back, these Religious people are more fucked up than any of us could ever imagine.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #142 on: August 14, 2011, 06:45:17 PM »
So you are saying without Religion they would be trying to kill us all, robbing us at every street corner, raping our girlfriends and wives, looking for babies to use as target practice and the only thing stopping them from doing any of this is Jesus Christ?

Really?  If thats the case and the only thing holding them back, these Religious people are more fucked up than any of us could ever imagine.

oh freaking please.    Libertine behavior is a disaster for a nation. 

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #143 on: August 14, 2011, 06:46:46 PM »
No I want Bernie Sanders for President or Dennis Kucinich actually or Mike Gravel. I hope this helps.




Dennis Kucinich on Ron Paul


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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #144 on: August 14, 2011, 06:49:30 PM »
oh freaking please.    Libertine behavior is a disaster for a nation. 
You do realize empathy and morality have Evolutionary Biological roots as well as from the Zeitgeist of our society?

The most religious people in America at one time were slave owners.  So much for that Christian Moral Compass overriding the Zeitgeist eh?

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #145 on: August 14, 2011, 06:52:22 PM »

Dennis Kucinich on Ron Paul




Lllmmmffffaaaoooo. 

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #146 on: August 14, 2011, 06:54:58 PM »
You do realize empathy and morality have Evolutionary Biological roots as well as from the Zeitgeist of our society?

The most religious people in America at one time were slave owners.  So much for that Christian Moral Compass overriding the Zeitgeist eh?


Yawn. Take your psychobabble elsewhere.   If given the choice between religious people v aethist commies and so called humanists with their new age bs, I'll take the religious types any day. 

Mind you, I have not stepped foot in church in decades, but I respect their contributions to society. 

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #147 on: August 14, 2011, 06:58:27 PM »

Lllmmmffffaaaoooo. 
This is old news you know.  Personally I think Ron Paul is the best of the Republican Party.  Too bad there are zero others in his party like him.  All of your favorites, Bachmann, Palin and such are the complete opposites.

How do you process that in your brain and reconcile that?  Ron Paul and Palin/Bachmann are polar opposites.  You can`t be for Paul and then be for Bachmann or Palin or anyone else in the Republican Party.  It just doesn`t work and it means you really have no firm principles.

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #148 on: August 14, 2011, 06:59:12 PM »

Yawn. Take your psychobabble elsewhere.   If given the choice between religious people v aethist commies and so called humanists with their new age bs, I'll take the religious types any day. 

Mind you, I have not stepped foot in church in decades, but I respect their contributions to society. 
What Contributions?  ???

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Re: Ron Paul takes 2nd place IOWA Straw Poll
« Reply #149 on: August 14, 2011, 07:00:56 PM »
This is old news you know.  Personally I think Ron Paul is the best of the Republican Party.  Too bad there are zero others in his party like him.  All of your favorites, Bachmann, Palin and such are the complete opposites.

How do you process that in your brain and reconcile that?  Ron Paul and Palin/Bachmann are polar opposites.  You can`t be for Paul and then be for Bachmann or Palin or anyone else in the Republican Party.  It just doesn`t work and it means you really have no firm principles.

Why is that?   I don't expect perfection or anything close.