Mike Tyson Vs Razor Ruddock Prefight

[epic_alien]

you're clueless if you think mike tyson would defeat foreman, ali, frazer, norton, and lennox.

hype sells but that's bullshit.

he couldn't get past hollyfield in 2 fights.

sorry, i'm not white, so i don't quite understand the meaning of "owned" on getdumb.

holyfield is a head-butting piece of garbage, ask any of his peers, including riddick bowe who wears a huge scar on his head because of the head but king. anyone who knows boxing knows about this. the first of the 2 fights between tyson and head but field, he  had knocked him into several blackouts, then in the second, tyson just had enough of the head butiing.

[mesmorph78]

holyfield is a head-butting piece of garbage, ask any of his peers, including riddick bowe who wears a huge scar on his head because of the head but king. anyone who knows boxing knows about this. the first of the 2 fights between tyson and head but field, he  had knocked him into several blackouts, then in the second, tyson just had enough of the head butiing.

yes holyfield is known for head butting..... and tyson brought this to the attention of the ref who did nothing....
and tyson snapped

[epic_alien]

yes, and the average cockblock, thinks tyson just bit him for no other reason than to do it

[The Showstoppa]

Tyson is an all-time great, those that act like he was just the best of a bad era of boxing are foolish.  In his prime he could have stood toe to toe with anyone, including Ali.  Frazier put a royal ass-beating on Ali in the first fight, so why would people think Tyson couldn't?  Not to mention when Ali started running his dumb mouth in a press conference, Tyson would have beat him down at the weigh in.

Ali, pre-vietnam puss-out and Tyson pre Robin Givens/Don King would have been a war.

[mesmorph78]

Tyson is an all-time great, those that act like he was just the best of a bad era of boxing are foolish.  In his prime he could have stood toe to toe with anyone, including Ali.  Frazier put a royal ass-beating on Ali in the first fight, so why would people think Tyson couldn't?  Not to mention when Ali started running his dumb mouth in a press conference, Tyson would have beat him down at the weigh in.

Ali, pre-vietnam puss-out and Tyson pre Robin Givens/Don King would have been a war.

spot on

[polychronopolous]

A prime ruthless ferocious Mike Tyson from April 21st of 1987 to July 14th of 1988 was capable of literally killing any MMA cage fighter in about a half second, Hells Angel motorcycle gang equipped with chains and knives or even Team Six who took out bin Laden.

Mike Tyson was the most indestructible human being that ever lived and any comparisons to fighters from now until the end of eternity are a complete waste of time because he would never lose a fight in his life, it's impossible.

In fact, I would even assert that he is UNDER rated.

[stormshadow]

dont agree....
lewis coundnt defeat a peak tyson....

and i think tyson would destroy ali....
just hits too hard... and he hits with purpose... unlike foreman who was a big puncher who was just punching for punching sake when he fault ali..
watch that tyson v rudduck fight and watch how tyson smashes him with body shots
douglas caught a lazy complacent tyson thats all....
tysin = most feroicious... ruthless champ ever
greatest IMO

Tyson Dodged Foreman, he told Don King there was no way he would fight him.  Tyson knew that his style was very similar to Frazier and he would meet the same fate if he fought Foreman.  

People who say that Tyson could beat Ali are just plain ignorant to the sport of boxing and have spent way too much time watching Mike's knockout clips on inferior opponents.  Ali was by far a better fighter, and Tyson doesn't come close to hitting as hard as foreman did.  

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/boxing-news/lotierzo1609.php

While we were eating, Benton said, "Bobby, what's up with Foreman and Tyson, how come they're not fighting each other on the 16th? Isn't that the fight that King was trying to make?" He said, " Georgie,You'll never believe this but, Fuckin' Tyson is scared shitless of Foreman and wants no part of him. I was there when Don was trying to make the fight. He was telling Tyson that Foreman represented huge money, plus he was old and slow and would be no problem. Tyson got up and screamed at King saying, 'I'm not fightin' that Fuckin' animal, if you love the guy so much, you fight him!'"

[mesmorph78]

please post proof of tyson saying he didnt want to fight foreman....

[stormshadow]

please post proof of tyson saying he didnt want to fight foreman....

See my post above

[G_Thang]

Tyson Dodged Foreman, he told Don King there was no way he would fight him.  Tyson knew that his style was very similar to Frazier and he would meet the same fate if he fought Foreman.  

People who say that Tyson could beat Ali are just plain ignorant to the sport of boxing and have spent way too much time watching Mike's knockout clips on inferior opponents.  Ali was by far a better fighter, and Tyson doesn't come close to hitting as hard as foreman did.  

thanks.  these guys think tyson would walk-thru the best HW in history but couldn't deal with holyfield headbutting him.  

he'd beat some but not all of them.

 

i'm waiting for someone to say pac and FMW would destroy the greatest 147s (hearns, leondard and duran).

[stormshadow]

tyson was definitely up there with the best

what i dont think has been mentioned yet is how good his defense was in his younger years - incredible head movement & ducking/weaving. This and his speed allowed him to get inside quickly against taller guys and then unleash the fury

unfortunately as the years passed he completely slackened on this front and just chose to rely on his power and he was never the same

Yes, he was great.  But to compare him to Ali is just foolish

[stormshadow]

thanks.  these guys think tyson would walk-thru the best HW in history but couldn't deal with holyfield headbutting him.  

he'd beat some but not all of them.

 

i'm waiting for someone to say pac and FMW would destroy the greatest 147s (hearns, leondard and duran).

Check out this clip on Charley Burley

[polychronopolous]

yeah i think Prime Ali would have just 'found a way' as he always seemed to - greatest of all time. and an iron chin as well (much to his long-term health detriment it would seem )

Ali had a grade A chin, only dropped twice and never kayoed. Although I think Henry Cooper had a shot to put him away if it wasn't for Cassius Clays corner interference.

Vitali has by far the greatest chin ever though...never kayoed, never dropped and never apeared in serious trouble.

[polychronopolous]

chin's are a weird thing - you either have it or you dont

although even that can change - chuck liddell had a rock-hard chin when he was on his streak, but in his later fights it was absolutely terrible - rich franklin took him out with a short punch from his broken arm from memory, no way that would have happened a few years prior
apologies for ufc'ing the thread

Very true.

I was shocked by some of the seemingly light shots that put Liddel down in the last 5 or so of his fights.

[mesmorph78]

See my post above

a link to a site of someone saying tyson said something is not proof i want to see a video
ive met lennox lewis a couple of times....
how about i turn around and say lewis said ... i'm glad i retired i never wanted t fight that monster klitchko again" does that make it true


also do you remember the first frasier ali fight.....
that puts to bunk the whole theory that tyson couldnt get past his jab
prime tyson would have him for breakfast IMO

[maxkane69]

Very true.

I was shocked by some of the seemingly light shots that put Liddel down in the last 5 or so of his fights.

Don't be shoked because happen very often in boxing!
Once you get KO your chin is not the same, samething happen in your head/brain and even the guy with toghest chin became softer and cannot sustain the punishment once used to sustain.
Same boxing trainer think that there is a thin line in your chin that represent a weak spot  and that line get wider every time you get KO!
Look at Roy Jones after he got KO the first time was not able to sustain the punishment!

[mass 04]

Razor Ramon would have killed Tyson.

Hope this helps, chico.

[apply85]

Anybody who says Tyson was better than Ali just doesn't know boxing, which is a shame, boxing is a very simple sport, not much to know

[Parker]

Razor Ramon would have killed Tyson.

Hope this helps, chico.

"Are you Ready to Feel The Razor's Edge?"

I love that video game...

[Darren Avey]

Oh my dear God i cant believe theres someone on here ignorant enough to think Norton or Frazier would beat Tyson hahahahahahaha Ali probably, Lewis hmmm dunno, Foreman maybe but norton hahahaha

[stormshadow]

Anybody who says Tyson was better than Ali just doesn't know boxing, which is a shame, boxing is a very simple sport, not much to know

Exactly...

brb - watching youtube videos of Tyson wiping the floor with a bunch of no name tomato cans and thinking he could beat Ali... lol

[mesmorph78]

so ... tyson beat the heavyweight champion of the world to get the belt..
guess he was a tomato too....
 

[stormshadow]

Oh my dear God i cant believe theres someone on here ignorant enough to think Norton or Frazier would beat Tyson hahahahahahaha Ali probably, Lewis hmmm dunno, Foreman maybe but norton hahahaha

Tyson's record was built fighting a bunch of no name punks that were scared to death of him before they even got in the ring.

He lost to Lennox, Holyfield, and I can't think of any other proven champions that he fought in his career..

The Klitcho's are great, but even they do not face anywhere near the talent that earlier heavyweights faced.  Aside from Lennox Lewis who was no phenomenal boxer, bums like a fat out of shape Chris Aerolla who stand toe to toe with no ability to slip punches are the best competition they got

[stormshadow]

so ... tyson beat the heavyweight champion of the world to get the belt..
guess he was a tomato too....
 

No, I never said that.  Tyson was awesome.. period.  But to make the claim that he could be a boxer from a different era, you no look at the quality of their opponents because that is all you have to judge them by, and the quality of tyson's opponents is nowhere near what Ali faced.

Buster Douglas held the title, but he was no champion, not by any stretch and Holyfield exposed that when he wiped the floor with him in Douglas's first title defense.

[mame09]

tyson is the biggest fraud outside pac

1. he fought larry holmes when holmes had a 2 year layoff and 6 weeks training camp

he dropped holmes because he was out of shape. shit he took shavers biggest bombs and got up.

does that mean tyson is a harder hitter than shavers HELL NO.

2. a prime frasier who fought chuvalo would have eaten tyson up.

3. an old or young foreman would have licked him in the first round. dont forget NO ONE bangs with foreman toe to toe and wins. (unless your liston)

what about tysons power, one clean shot and he is down? guess what foreman doesnt have to block because he gets away with it and he has got

alot of heart to get up if he gets dropped

4. clay and ali would of played with tyson.  but tyson trained against longer reach!  well guess what he has never fought a fantastic runner

like ali or clay.

and the only way an inside fighter beats ali if you have UNLIMITED cardio to bop and weave, have a FANTASTIC CHIN and lastly enough reach to get to him.

and only 1 person had those abilities at heavyweight and you know who that is

SMOKIN JOE FRAZIER