optimal cycle length?

[Stavios]

i prefer to be jacked and tan for the rest of my life than having a child  

haha I told my gf that if we can't have kids I'll just ask my better looking than me brother to cum in a cup and we will use that 

[Rearden Metal]

haha I told my gf that if we can't have kids I'll just ask my better looking than me brother to cum in a cup and we will use that 

make a cuckhold video 

[Stavios]

make a cuckhold video 

[Meso_z]

Exactly !

I am all for using gear, mega dosing and shooting GHona till my feet are 20 inches long. But I won't put my head in the sand regarding the risks, there are some for sure.


are they that bad ?
who knows

[Schmoe Buster]

Lets hope we wont regret it in the long run

I mean when family and carreer gets in the way...maybe health problems etc...what me, you and everybody else do?

Its a real risk..wild card.

"staying on", "blasting & cruising"...sounds good..in a perfect world. 

I have a child already, i was on gear and Gh when she was conceived, she is perfectly healthy and is a really wonderful addition to my life

I totally agree about the risks and i think that its important we keep an eye on our health now, at least once a year go to have a full check up, have all your organs checked, blood work done etc, any red flags pop up then you know you need to adjust something.

[deadz]

When I got my HRT script this year and was talking to the doctor who was actually a hormone specialist, not a general practitioner he said that continuous use while necessary for many who suffer from low levels could damage natural production ability later on in life if you reach a point where that is need or desired. I asked him for a specific time frame, simply making conversation and trying to pick his brain but he couldn't offer me one. He did state however and this is something I've been saying for years, that frequent HCG use over a long period of time is one of the leading causes of testosterone production deficiency in men as regular use will end up leading to the body no longer being able to produce its own LH. Even so, he is a fan of HCG, simply not in the way many use it. Personally I like HCG but only during PCT periods and I see very little use for it during a cycle.

So the bottom line, there is no specific answer but if you are worried about your natural production then yes, you do need breaks. Others on here will scoff at this and say that's ridiculous but it's simply the truth. I'm living proof that long term heavy use can permanently cause severe low natural testosterone levels....I'll be on HRT the rest of my life. Not that I mind but if that's something you want to avoid you need to plan accordingly.

Good information, as usual.

[Audioslave]

I don't have the connections to stay on year round, don't think I'd want to. I think I'll run this to just 10 weeks, call it good, then start back up in the new year on another 10 week'er.

I'd rather always be able to get my natural production levels back to normal than have to try and get a doctor to prescribe me HRT later. I know a lot of guys who have put on a decent amount of size in a cycle and kept an appreciable amount after coming off even over a year later. I'm not a believer that (unless you're at hugely supraphysiological levels of musculature) you'll lose absolutely everything you gained from AAS when off cycle.

[makaveli25]

I usually cycle when the suns out and I know I'm gonna be at the beach or poolside. Once winter comes I  take some decent supplements put a little bit of fat on and still look pretty big. Throw a small dose of dbol here or there.

[Arnold jr]

I don't have the connections to stay on year round, don't think I'd want to. I think I'll run this to just 10 weeks, call it good, then start back up in the new year on another 10 week'er.

I'd rather always be able to get my natural production levels back to normal than have to try and get a doctor to prescribe me HRT later. I know a lot of guys who have put on a decent amount of size in a cycle and kept an appreciable amount after coming off even over a year later. I'm not a believer that (unless you're at hugely supraphysiological levels of musculature) you'll lose absolutely everything you gained from AAS when off cycle.

Your plan is fine. You won't lose all your muscle when you come off and anyone who tells you differently is either an idiot or simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

You may not know this but most of the guys on getbig.com now are all future 14x Mr. Olympia Champions and must stay on all year long and if that's something you don't want then according to this new way of thinking around here you'll probably shrivel up and die...if not your penis will definitely fall off and you'll grow a vagina on your forehead.

Anyway, trying to get real life advice about gear on this board has become difficult. For some reason most of these guys can't accept the fact that not every one wants to use gear 24hrs a day 365 days a year. I find that annoyingly funny simply because I'd bet my life on the fact that I've taken more gear than most of these BoTards will ever touch, for a decade plus I did nothing but bodybuild and stick pins in my ass yet I can still see reality.

Side-note: before everyone gets their panties shoved so far up their butt the lace is hanging out of their mouth the above comment is not directed towards any one single person but rather more of a specific group of people and delusional thinking. I know some of you guys are actually truly hardcore bodybuilders, that's no secret.

[deadz]

If you're a competitive BB stay on yr round of course.
If you're are 40+ stay on moderate doses yr. round.
Younger than 40 consider cycling on and off.
Always do bloodwork every six months if you stay
on continuously.
Red Yeast Rice will keep you lipids in check.
Liv 52 or Milk Thistle will somewhat help
your liver values.
Minimum of 4g's of fish oil everyday to thin out
the blood. Donate if you can.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Im 28 and I plan on staying on gear now for the next year at the least (Started back on this week) but like if we get pregnant, I move to Japan, I get sick then those plans will change. While life is all good now and ive the money for as much gear and gh that I want and I have a handy lifestyle then being juiced up is great, but if circumstances were to change I understand I would have to change

[DK II]

Im 28 and I plan on staying on gear now for the next year at the least (Started back on this week) but like if we get pregnant, I move to Japan, I get sick then those plans will change. While life is all good now and ive the money for as much gear and gh that I want and I have a handy lifestyle then being juiced up is great, but if circumstances were to change I understand I would have to change

I'm sure we'll find someone to hook you up in Japan. 

[The Wizard of Truth]

I'm sure we'll find someone to hook you up in Japan. 

Haha man id be in Nagano, I didnt even see a gym there

[qbkilla]

what do you guys think of 20 weeks on,,,,8 off (HRT DOSE),,,check bloodwork,,,if good then go back on for 20,,,repeat,,,,or end that 20 weeker early if bloodwork comes back terrible?  if bloodwork is fine, is there really a need to ever come off higher doses(once your on HRT)?

[deadz]

what do you guys think of 20 weeks on,,,,8 off (HRT DOSE),,,check bloodwork,,,if good then go back on for 20,,,repeat,,,,or end that 20 weeker early if bloodwork comes back terrible?  if bloodwork is fine, is there really a need to ever come off higher doses(once your on HRT)?

Off is off not hrt dose. Even if you went completely off I doubt after 20 weeks of being on that after 8 weeks your natty levels would even be back up. May as well stay on and blast twice a year.

[Benoitlapierre]

haha I told my gf that if we can't have kids I'll just ask my better looking than me brother to cum in a cup and we will use that 

frozen your cum asap , or you will need international adoption

[Max B]

frozen your cum asap , or you will need international adoption

is it really that serious though? freezing your cum? it just doesnt seem realistic considering arnold has had multiple kids for example

[DK II]

Haha man id be in Nagano, I didnt even see a gym there

I am sure you'll get steroids and gyms in Nagano. 

[Meso_z]

Your plan is fine. You won't lose all your muscle when you come off and anyone who tells you differently is either an idiot or simply doesn't know what they're talking about.

You may not know this but most of the guys on getbig.com now are all future 14x Mr. Olympia Champions and must stay on all year long and if that's something you don't want then according to this new way of thinking around here you'll probably shrivel up and die...if not your penis will definitely fall off and you'll grow a vagina on your forehead.

Anyway, trying to get real life advice about gear on this board has become difficult. For some reason most of these guys can't accept the fact that not every one wants to use gear 24hrs a day 365 days a year. I find that annoyingly funny simply because I'd bet my life on the fact that I've taken more gear than most of these BoTards will ever touch, for a decade plus I did nothing but bodybuild and stick pins in my ass yet I can still see reality.

Side-note: before everyone gets their panties shoved so far up their butt the lace is hanging out of their mouth the above comment is not directed towards any one single person but rather more of a specific group of people and delusional thinking. I know some of you guys are actually truly hardcore bodybuilders, that's no secret.

So fucking true...

Lately, its been like 2 years that ive noticed on a lot of boards people like to "stay on"...."cruise" is the new word for this "trend"..

[Stavios]

So fucking true...

Lately, its been like 2 years that ive noticed on a lot of boards people like to "stay on"...."cruise" is the new word for this "trend"..

"in real life"

bodybuilders I know just pop pills when they off-cycle, so they are not off-cycle they stay on year round they just don't pin all year long.


it's still being "on" all year long


I hate being off myself, because I get too fat when I do and it's a waste of time just getting ack to where I was.

I used to take 6 months off pretty often, I regret it now

[Meso_z]

"in real life"

bodybuilders I know just pop pills when they off-cycle, so they are not off-cycle they stay on year round they just don't pin all year long.


it's still being "on" all year long


I hate being off myself, because I get too fat when I do and it's a waste of time just getting ack to where I was.

I used to take 6 months off pretty often, I regret it now

Man , i dont know what to do...seriously, im in a big dilemma. Im finishing my cycle its 20+ weeks..in 2 weeks and im thinking should i come off or "cruise".

Not that im on a lot of stuff at the moment, just 750 test for the last month (was on deca too previously for like 16 weeks and sdrol 4 weeks in the beginning + 3 weeks at about the 16th week mark).

Then again I have only good things to say mostly when i got off completely after 1,5 year on so im on a dilemma..when i got off i was at my strongest and leanest for about a month and a half...lol pretty fucked up lol.

maybe i should continue this cycle which runs for about 6 months now or so and continue it till i close abother 1 year...so 1,5 yr again...then i will come off completely again. lol

[lesaucer]

Man , i dont know what to do...seriously, im in a big dilemma. Im finishing my cycle its 20+ weeks..in 2 weeks and im thinking should i come off or "cruise".

Not that im on a lot of stuff at the moment, just 750 test for the last month (was on deca too previously for like 16 weeks and sdrol 4 weeks in the beginning + 3 weeks at about the 16th week mark).

Then again I have only good things to say mostly when i got off completely after 1,5 year on so im on a dilemma..when i got off i was at my strongest and leanest for about a month and a half...lol pretty fucked up lol.

maybe i should continue this cycle which runs for about 6 months now or so and continue it till i close abother 1 year...so 1,5 yr again...then i will come off completely again. lol

you just need to evaluate if getting jacked to the max is a priority for you.. if not, just go off and have your big balls back

[Stavios]

Man , i dont know what to do...seriously, im in a big dilemma. Im finishing my cycle its 20+ weeks..in 2 weeks and im thinking should i come off or "cruise".

Not that im on a lot of stuff at the moment, just 750 test for the last month (was on deca too previously for like 16 weeks and sdrol 4 weeks in the beginning + 3 weeks at about the 16th week mark).

Then again I have only good things to say mostly when i got off completely after 1,5 year on so im on a dilemma..when i got off i was at my strongest and leanest for about a month and a half...lol pretty fucked up lol.

maybe i should continue this cycle which runs for about 6 months now or so and continue it till i close abother 1 year...so 1,5 yr again...then i will come off completely again. lol

just go by how you feel bro !

I know my body turns to shit pretty fast myself when I go off, so I know what I will do.

if you feel fine when off, and you don't care about being a bit smaller for a few weeks/months, you should !

[Meso_z]

you just need to evaluate if getting jacked to the max is a priority for you.. if not, just go off and have your big balls back

just go by how you feel bro !

I know my body turns to shit pretty fast myself when I go off, so I know what I will do.

if you feel fine when off, and you don't care about being a bit smaller for a few weeks/months, you should !

 

[Stavios]

I am an addict