A REAL Top Pro's Bulking Cycle

[pellius]

So they are actually quite lucky not to be dropping dead collectively, since blood thickening is probably the most dangerous (acute) side effect of steroid use?

Who has ever died from blood thickening?

[pellius]

This type of cycling will lead most into narcotic use as well. You're either too lethargic to function without help or too hyper to sleep without help. And always in pain. 

Yeah, but just think about how jacked you'd look.

Priorities my informative friend, priorities.

[cephissus]

Who has ever died from blood thickening?

I think I heard something about this with regard to munzer?

[notsureifsrs]

Yeah, but just think about how jacked you'd look.

Priorities my informative friend, priorities.

I don't think that anyone run this kind of cycle "to look jacked", guys who run it, run it to win shows.

[flinstones1]

I don't think that anyone run this kind of cycle "to look jacked", guys who run it, run it to win shows.

are you sure about that?

[pellius]

I don't think that anyone run this kind of cycle "to look jacked", guys who run it, run it to win shows.

sigh... I guess my brutal sarcasm was lost....

[pellius]

I think I heard something about this with regard to munzer?

I did have Munzer in mind but I think a lot more was going on with Munzer than just blood thickening. And I think it's not accurate to single out equipona for this. All steroids raise Hemocrit and red blood cell levels. Wasn't anadrol specifically developed to treat anemia?
Perhaps the body has a way of balancing things out. I mean, guys are taking a gram of equipona in addition to every else including drol.

[Moen]

I agree that it has to be overrated since all these guys are still walking around after years and years of doing high doses

[WillGrant]

Again - it's an individual thing - some it has no effect on others it "could" cause problems.

[gh15]

not only its overrated,,,but! some fellas who have no approach to computer...still do not get that the reason a bodybuild advance is the consistant usage of drugs,, no stop no off,, always change compounds,, while trenbolona and hgh alway in system,, either one or both! ,,this is what fellas that have no acess to computer do not get,,

the advancment of a bodybuilder come from hgh and trenbolona ace,, it comes from high quality legit equipona  and lots of good ole testosterona,,

the best bodybuilder is the ones who has the legit high quality compounds and respond to them the best

everything to do with sickness from hormoens is OVER RATED usualy lies ,,

everything that has to do with sickness from narcotics! is right on the truth ,, and usualy underrated!


it is the booz and narcotics and diuretic abuse that kill athletes! not! hormones!

gh15 approved

[Omega]

not only its overrated,,,but! some fellas who have no approach to computer...still do not get that the reason a bodybuild advance is the consistant usage of drugs,, no stop no off,, always change compounds,, while trenbolona and hgh alway in system,, either one or both! ,,this is what fellas that have no acess to computer do not get,,

the advancment of a bodybuilder come from hgh and trenbolona ace,, it comes from high quality legit equipona  and lots of good ole testosterona,,

the best bodybuilder is the ones who has the legit high quality compounds and respond to them the best

everything to do with sickness from hormoens is OVER RATED usualy lies ,,

everything that has to do with sickness from narcotics! is right on the truth ,, and usualy underrated!


it is the booz and narcotics and diuretic abuse that kill athletes! not! hormones!

gh15 approved

Whenever there was too much gear in my system I fell ill.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Whenever there was too much gear in my system I fell ill.

Explain, please ?

[deceiver]

Explain, please ?

Well high bp, heart rate going up (feeling heart beating especially when I lay on bed trying to slee), some acne, feeling you're tired etc. After 2 months ON I really, really wanna get OFF ASAP coz I've got enough.

[Omega]

Well high bp, heart rate going up (feeling heart beating especially when I lay on bed trying to slee), some acne, feeling you're tired etc. After 2 months ON I really, really wanna get OFF ASAP coz I've got enough.

This.
Lethargy is a big one and a lot of the time I did get test flu (especially with sustanon)

[OTHstrong]

Who has ever died from blood thickening?

The funny thing is I am 29 and since my high school days, I know of at least a dozen fellas that have died from various health issues, wether cancer lekemia, stroke, one guy I know slipped into a coma from a basic surgery, my point is non of these guys have juiced. in any field or category of people there will be a  fair share of bodies hiting the floor, but when it happins in the bodybuldng communty lol...has to be the juice. A couple of deaths in 2 decades wow they are dropping like flies

[DK II]

The funny thing is I am 29 and since my high school days, I know of at least a dozen fellas that have died from various health issues, wether cancer lekemia, stroke, one guy I know slipped into a coma from a basic surgery, my point is non of these guys have juiced. in any field or category of people there will be a  fair share of bodies hiting the floor, but when it happins in the bodybuldng communty lol...has to be the juice. A couple of deaths in 2 decades wow they are dropping like flies

spot on.

people are dying all the time, right and left from alcohol, tobacco, rec drugs, prescription medicine, some people even die without any obvious reason, it's funny that there are just so few people dying from steroids yet you get the feeling your liver will fail after three dbols and your kidneys go out after 2 years of 2g of protein per lb bw.

[The Wizard of Truth]

True, a skinny little prick that was in my class in school died few months ago and he didnt even know gear existed id say, and IM FULL OF DRUGS and still alive and other than liver enzymes bein a little high im healthy

[DK II]

True, a skinny little prick that was in my class in school died few months ago and he didnt even know gear existed id say, and IM FULL OF DRUGS and still alive and other than liver enzymes bein a little high im healthy

I wonder how healthy you are compared to a guy your age smoking his pack of cigarettes a day, with a pint or two in the evening in front of the TV eating his microwave chicken madras and downing some chunky kitskats. 

[The Wizard of Truth]

Probably the same, Ive never smoked, done rec drugs or drank alcohol at all. But my cardio is poor and Im on isulin, gear and gh. Iv booked myself in for another regular blood test next Tuesday morning so we'll see

[gh2]

While I agree that there are other compounds that are way more detrimental to the body than AAS we can not deny that many users will have bad values in a blood test after being on high dosages for some time. The boards are full of people reporting high BP, low HDL, high LDL, high liver values, bad kidney values and so on. This may not kill you straight away but try having bad values for years and you will suffer from it.

[OTHstrong]

spot on.

people are dying all the time, right and left from alcohol, tobacco, rec drugs, prescription medicine, some people even die without any obvious reason, it's funny that there are just so few people dying from steroids yet you get the feeling your liver will fail after three dbols and your kidneys go out after 2 years of 2g of protein per lb bw.

Natural crap happaens all the time, if an 80 year old never juiced in his life and all of sudden decided to and a couple years later he died cause he is 82, everyone will say...."see, I told you steroids kill", it's outrages. Take Luke wood (RIP), everyone in the other thread is saying Milos killed him, some are saying diuretics is cause and others are saying cytomel, and it could be... I don't know ( tylonel can kill you if you down the whole bottle in one shot), but it could have also happened anyway, my grade 5 teacher had a relative that died fron a kidney transplant.

True, a skinny little prick that was in my class in school died few months ago and he didnt even know gear existed id say, and IM FULL OF DRUGS and still alive and other than liver enzymes bein a little high im healthy

Exactly, now I have a friend that was big for true natural around the limit range that gh15 described as the natural max. His mother got cancer when he a teenager and his father got cancer when he was 19. We would hit the gym both natural and we could lift 3 plates on bench and were religous about it, about 6-7 years ago I said the hell with this ... I am juicing and have been ever since, he on the other hand wouldn't even go near it and his excuse was (cause his parents got cancer) "i am scared to get cancer" and would preach consistantly to me how bad steroids are, anyway, I got in touch with him a few months back and guess what... he is doing kimo. Bottomline is the hospital is full of people in and out and 99.9 % of them aren't on steroids. The health problems are the same in ratio from the peopla that juice to the people that don't, the funny things is all the Mr. Olympia winners are still alive, there is a slap in the face for the haters.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Exactly, now I have a friend that was big for true natural around the limit range that gh15 described as the natural max. His mother got cancer when he a teenager and his father got cancer when he was 19. We would hit the gym both natural and we could lift 3 plates on bench and were religous about it, about 6-7 years ago I said the hell with this ... I am juicing and have been ever since, he on the other hand wouldn't even go near it and his excuse was (cause his parents got cancer) "i am scared to get cancer" and would preach consistantly to me how bad steroids are, anyway, I got in touch with him a few months back and guess what... he is doing kimo. Bottomline is the hospital is full of people in and out and 99.9 % of them aren't on steroids. The health problems are the same in ratio from the peopla that juice to the people that don't, the funny things is all the Mr. Olympia winners are still alive, there is a slap in the face for the haters.

Yes, and tons of other sportspeople are dyng or dead, George Best (soccer), Alex Higgins (snooker), Lance Armstrong (cycling), Alan Stubbs (soccer)

[asbrus]

Natural crap happaens all the time, if an 80 year old never juiced in his life and all of sudden decided to and a couple years later he died cause he is 82, everyone will say...."see, I told you steroids kill", it's outrages. Take Luke wood (RIP), everyone in the other thread is saying Milos killed him, some are saying diuretics is cause and others are saying cytomel, and it could be... I don't know ( tylonel can kill you if you down the whole bottle in one shot), but it could have also happened anyway, my grade 5 teacher had a relative that died fron a kidney transplant.



Exactly, now I have a friend that was big for true natural around the limit range that gh15 described as the natural max. His mother got cancer when he a teenager and his father got cancer when he was 19. We would hit the gym both natural and we could lift 3 plates on bench and were religous about it, about 6-7 years ago I said the hell with this ... I am juicing and have been ever since, he on the other hand wouldn't even go near it and his excuse was (cause his parents got cancer) "i am scared to get cancer" and would preach consistantly to me how bad steroids are, anyway, I got in touch with him a few months back and guess what... he is doing kimo. Bottomline is the hospital is full of people in and out and 99.9 % of them aren't on steroids. The health problems are the same in ratio from the peopla that juice to the people that don't, the funny things is all the Mr. Olympia winners are still alive, there is a slap in the face for the haters.

HIS KIDNEY TRANSPLANT WAS A RESULT 0F DRUG ABUSE.

[GroinkTropin]

I think I heard something about this with regard to munzer?

Munzer died most likely from a combination of factors BUT the leading contributer was that his blood could not clot. I believe he was taking a huge dose of Cytadren to keep cortisol low, a side effect is an inability for your blood to clot. From there he somehow developed intestinal bleeding after a show, went to the hospital for treatment and would have been fine EXCEPT because his blood had no clotting factors he simply bled out. The ER staff (I believe in Germany) literally could not stop his bleeding and that was it!

[apply85]

Munzer died most likely from a combination of factors BUT the leading contributer was that his blood could not clot. I believe he was taking a huge dose of Cytadren to keep cortisol low, a side effect is an inability for your blood to clot. From there he somehow developed intestinal bleeding after a show, went to the hospital for treatment and would have been fine EXCEPT because his blood had no clotting factors he simply bled out. The ER staff (I believe in Germany) literally could not stop his bleeding and that was it!

He died of multiple organ failure, his kidneys were totally usleess and his liver was a mess of tumors