GH15, were you serious about "protein powders kill midsections"

[pillowtalk]

Why Egg whites?? is the amino profile not fucked up without the Yolk.
Not to mention the EFA's, Zinc, etc...
All in the Yolk.


PT

Why was this ignored ^^^^
I eat 15 Eggs a day - whole Eggs.

But then I watch my carb intake & cardio out-put.

PT

[chaos]

Why was this ignored ^^^^


PT

They hate you.

[no one]

hands on baby,, no book worm that never went on stage ,, HANDS ON ,, this is what bring profesional card,,

you go on play with protien supplement and your 200mg nandrolona decanoate a week and continue living your dream ,, while others majority of my pupils will become better bodybuild ,, top amatuers and MANY OF THEM WIL BECOME PROFESIONALS at the end of the day

gh15 approved

this.

[pillowtalk]

They hate you.

Where the fuck have you been??
getting your oddly shaped cranium looked at by a 'reconstruction specialist' - or did some-one give you their pass-word to www.vollyballpornstarlet .com - that was me who sent the pass-word BTW  
& you have just run out of lube, thusly decided to check in with us low-lifes??  

PT

[chaos]

Where the fuck have you been??
getting your oddly shaped cranium looked at by a 'reconstruction specialist' - or did some-one give you their pass-word to www.vollyballpornstarlet .com - that was me who sent the pass-word BTW  
& you have just run out of lube, thusly decided to check in with us low-lifes??  

PT

Work/working out/riding/sleeping.......this place has been in the shits lately, not alot of fresh blood coming in and the old guard all know each other and know how each person will react.

What are you up to these days? Still mooching off the wife's hard work?

[pillowtalk]

Work/working out/riding/sleeping.......this place has been in the shits lately, not alot of fresh blood coming in and the old guard all know each other and know how each person will react.

What are you up to these days? Still mooching off the wife's hard work?

Of course!!
It's good work if you can get it. Good to see the blood in your veins is warm, may the God's continue to have a sense of humor & leave you to get on with it 
Respect.

PT

[chaos]

Of course!!
It's good work if you can get it. Good to see the blood in your veins is warm, may the God's continue to have a sense of humor & leave you to get on with it 
Respect.

PT

The Mighty Thor has passed his Hammer unto me and I carry it with Honor and Pride.

Respect.

[theheman]

What about egg protein powders? For example this: http://www.amazon.com/Healthy-Fit-Protein-Vanilla-2-pound/dp/B0016685XQ
Will this work? Or do I need to just mix up raw eggs and drink that instead of my whey protein?

[GroinkTropin]

Interesting thread.

Not sure if I could stomach throwing egg whites down my throat instead of whey protein powders but I will say this - I do believe that whey thickens the skin - I've upped my whey intake considerably in the last couple of months to replace an MRP I used to take and although my weight's stayed the same , what vasularity I had has all but vanished.

Having said that I'd probably be bankrupt if I bought egg whites to replace the whey - gram for gram they are ridiculously more expensive.

Dude I get a big bucket for 30 bucks flat. Yields 34 cups of egg whites...That is not at all expensive..Lana's egg whites I believe..

[GroinkTropin]

GH15 you are wrong. Egg whites do need to be cooked. Try reading once in a while...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drryan28.htm

This was just the first article I came up with, I have taken nutrition and my professor said the exact same thing. No, I will not take your word over my teachers, who has her PhD. Sorry.

[DukeX]

I've been looking for eggwhites here in Britain, but I can't find them anywhere. Any Brits know where I can get eggwhites?

http://www.twochicks.co.uk/

[gh15]

GH15 you are wrong. Egg whites do need to be cooked. Try reading once in a while...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drryan28.htm

This was just the first article I came up with, I have taken nutrition and my professor said the exact same thing. No, I will not take your word over my teachers, who has her PhD. Sorry.

did i ask you to ? ,, i give hands on ,, i relyed all my career on eggwhites,, best protien source ever,, infact what i love the most is to take tilapias cook them on a pan with pam cut them real small after 2 min on the pan add eggwhites ....mixed it all put some kimchee into it take some 2 huge whole wheet buns and eat that,,

aside from drinking it 2-3 times a day ,, there were times i drank eggwhite cartons 4-5 times a day and im not joking,, your body get used to it...you start with diareaa ...after few months your body get used to it absorb every little drop of those eggwhites 80% absorption more than any disgusting whey,,

real food is the key!

gh15 approved

[1stkeepitreal]

did i ask you to ? ,, i give hands on ,, i relyed all my career on eggwhites,, best protien source ever,, infact what i love the most is to take tilapias cook them on a pan with pam cut them real small after 2 min on the pan add eggwhites ....mixed it all put some kimchee into it take some 2 huge whole wheet buns and eat that,,

aside from drinking it 2-3 times a day ,, there were times i drank eggwhite cartons 4-5 times a day and im not joking,, your body get used to it...you start with diareaa ...after few months your body get used to it absorb every little drop of those eggwhites 80% absorption more than any disgusting whey,,

real food is the key!

gh15 approved


 

god of homos and handjobs in 15 seconds still spreading the word of schmoe!

You are an idiot in every way.  Just remember no name no creditability!

[jedibrat]

Amount and fate of egg protein escaping assimilation in the small intestine of humans.

Evenepoel P, Claus D, Geypens B, Hiele M, Geboes K, Rutgeerts P, Ghoos Y.


Department of Medicine, Division of Gastroenterology, Gastrointestinal Research Centre, University Hospital Leuven, B-3000 Louvain, Belgium.

Studies attempting to evaluate protein assimilation in humans have hitherto relied on either ileostomy subjects or intubation techniques. The availability of stable isotope-labeled protein allowed us to determine the amount and fate of dietary protein escaping digestion and absorption in the small intestine of healthy volunteers using noninvasive tracer techniques. Ten healthy volunteers were studied once after ingestion of a cooked test meal, consisting of 25 g of (13)C-, (15)N-, and (2)H-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same but raw meal. Amounts of 5.73% and 35.10% (P < 0.005) of cooked and raw test meal, respectively, escaped digestion and absorption in the small intestine. A significantly higher percentage of the malabsorbed raw egg protein was recovered in urine as fermentation metabolites. These results 1) confirm that substantial amounts of even easily digestible proteins may escape assimilation in healthy volunteers and 2) further support the hypothesis that the metabolic fate of protein in the colon is affected by the amount of protein made available.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial

PMID: 10564098 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein in humans as assessed by stable isotope techniques.

Evenepoel P, Geypens B, Luypaerts A, Hiele M, Ghoos Y, Rutgeerts P.

Department of Medicine, Division of Gastroenterology and Gastrointestinal Research Centre, University Hospital Leuven, B-3000 Leuven, Belgium.

Egg proteins contribute substantially to the daily nitrogen allowances in Western countries and are generally considered to be highly digestible. However, information is lacking on the true ileal digestibility of either raw or cooked egg protein. The recent availability of stable isotope-labeled egg protein allowed determination of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein by means of noninvasive tracer techniques. Five ileostomy patients were studied, once after ingestion of a test meal consisting of 25 g of cooked 13C- and 15N-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same test meal in raw form. Ileal effluents and breath samples were collected at regular intervals after consumption of the test meal and analyzed for 15N- and 13C-content, respectively. The true ileal digestibility of cooked and raw egg protein amounted to 90.9 +/- 0.8 and 51.3 +/- 9.8%, respectively. A significant negative correlation (r = -0.92, P < 0.001) was found between the 13C-recovery in breath and the recovery of exogenous N in the ileal effluents. In summary, using the 15N-dilution technique we demonstrated that the assimilation of cooked egg protein is efficient, albeit incomplete, and that the true ileal digestibility of egg protein is significantly enhanced by heat-pretreatment. A simple 13C-breath test technique furthermore proved to be a suitable alternative for the evaluation of the true ileal digestibility of egg protein.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 9772141 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Super Natural]

Just because a dog has four legs & a table has four legs doesn't mean a table is a dog...

Getting a thicker midsection could have been caused from numerous other things. just because someone gets a thicker mid section and it just so happens they are having protein shakes at that time. How can they 100% say that, "the protein shakes are the cause" The problem is that this gets repeated enough by competitors that eventually it becomes "fact"  same with fruit, milk, bread etc. all of these can be part of a precontest fat loss diet (unless you have a legitimate gluten or lactose intolerance or a real food allergy)

whey is a highly processed food but has the best protein absorption I don't see the problem with it (as long as your entire diet/protein consumption doesn't consist solely protein powders (20%-30% of your diet from protein powder IMO is ok).

next thing it will be deadlifts cause thicker midsections  

[jedibrat]

Also, for protein absorption pasteurized = cooked.

[pillowtalk]

Just because a dog has four legs & a table has four legs doesn't mean a table is a dog...

Getting a thicker midsection could have been caused from numerous other things. just because someone gets a thicker mid section and it just so happens they are having protein shakes at that time. How can they 100% say that, "the protein shakes are the cause" The problem is that this gets repeated enough by competitors that eventually it becomes "fact"  same with fruit, milk, bread etc. all of these can be part of a precontest fat loss diet (unless you have a legitimate gluten or lactose intolerance or a real food allergy)

whey is a highly processed food but has the best protein absorption I don't see the problem with it (as long as your entire diet/protein consumption doesn't consist solely protein powders (20%-30% of your diet from protein powder IMO is ok).

next thing it will be deadlifts cause thicker midsections  

Given a choice between WPC80 - PWO & Egg whites, I will stick with the WPC80, with 1000mg of vit-C
Still no-one has talked about the amino profile of Egg whites.

In fact, the egg whites are almost devoid of nutrition compared to the yolks.

Even the protein in egg whites isn't as powerful without the yolks to balance out the amino acid profile and make the protein more bio-available. Not to even mention that the egg yolks from free range chickens are loaded with healthy omega-3 fatty acids.

Yolks contain more than 90% of the calcium, iron, phosphorus, zinc, thiamin, B6, folate, and B12, and panthothenic acid of the egg. In addition, the yolks contain ALL of the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K in the egg, as well as ALL of the essential fatty acids (EFAs).

http://www.truthaboutabs.com/whole-eggs-or-egg-whites.html

PT

[jedibrat]

Given a choice between WPC80 - PWO & Egg whites, I will stick with the WPC80, with 1000mg of vit-C
Still no-one has talked about the amino profile of Egg whites.

In fact, the egg whites are almost devoid of nutrition compared to the yolks.

Even the protein in egg whites isn't as powerful without the yolks to balance out the amino acid profile and make the protein more bio-available. Not to even mention that the egg yolks from free range chickens are loaded with healthy omega-3 fatty acids.

Yolks contain more than 90% of the calcium, iron, phosphorus, zinc, thiamin, B6, folate, and B12, and panthothenic acid of the egg. In addition, the yolks contain ALL of the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K in the egg, as well as ALL of the essential fatty acids (EFAs).

http://www.truthaboutabs.com/whole-eggs-or-egg-whites.html

PT

This is all correct, however, egg yolk also contains significant saturated fat (1.6g for each large egg). There are omega-3 eggs from chicken fed on flax-seed that have a better fats profile:

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/sainsburys-price-comparison/Eggs/Goldenlay_Omega_3_Free_Range_Eggs_6.html

Pasteurized egg whites remain a highly bio-available source of protein, regardless of their general nutritional profile.

[pillowtalk]

This is all correct, however, egg yolk also contains significant saturated fat (1.6g for each large egg). There are omega-3 eggs from chicken fed on flax-seed that have a better fats profile:

http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/sainsburys-price-comparison/Eggs/Goldenlay_Omega_3_Free_Range_Eggs_6.html

Pasteurized egg whites remain a highly bio-available source of protein, regardless of their general nutritional profile.

Even the protein in egg whites isn't as powerful without the yolks to balance out the amino acid profile and make the protein more bio-available.

http://www.truthaboutabs.com/whole-eggs-or-egg-whites.html

PT

 & this ^^^^??

PT

[gh15]

i do hope my pupils around the world understand whats going on here,, the super natural and the ispetocol and the fellas who jump here with 100 postings ,, they are all from the danta team ,, they all sell and live from selling balonie to you ,, i hope this is understood,,

FROM THIS DAY ON I GIVE OUT ORDER TO STOP BUYING SUPLEMENT FROM TRUE PROTIEN ,, if you want to be my pupil you will have to stop using supplements from that place,, infact stop buying supplements as a whole if you are my pupils,, its worthless

gh15 approved

[jedibrat]

& this ^^^^??

PT

The clinical trials I referred to before demonstrate protein absorption from egg-whites alone. Protein absorption in whole eggs will be roughly the same as uncooked/unpasteurized egg-whites, unless the eggs are the patented brand of pasteurized shell-on whole eggs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurized_eggs

Most egg whites are pasteurized, meaning more protein will be absorbed than with raw whole eggs regardless of any purported synergistic effect caused by the yolk's amino acid profile.

[gh15]

whey protien in powder form is probably the worst most scam thing you have ever withness in bodybuild,, it is somthing that is simply the biggest scam of the 20th century and it goes into the 21th century ,, its bad

you need to ask yourself a simple question! did it ever really get better than arnold? did arnold use this balonie?

what did arnold use?

thats right

egggggwhites and icecream with good ole oats or bananas ,, with honey and ananas juice,, with rice and fish with macaronie maybe but not! with balonie,, and the supplement industry sell you BALONIE IN A NICE SHINEY LABEL THAT THE OUTSIDE OF IT IS MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN THE INSIDE OF IT,, it is one company that make it for everyone,, biggest scam on planet earth

gh15 approved

[Super Natural]

i do hope my pupils around the world understand whats going on here,, the super natural and the ispetocol and the fellas who jump here with 100 postings ,, they are all from the danta team ,, they all sell and live from selling balonie to you ,, i hope this is understood,,

FROM THIS DAY ON I GIVE OUT ORDER TO STOP BUYING SUPLEMENT FROM TRUE PROTIEN ,, if you want to be my pupil you will have to stop using supplements from that place,, infact stop buying supplements as a whole if you are my pupils,, its worthless

gh15 approved

I'm not with Dante team/True protein or trying to sell anyone anything.

I agree with you real food is king, egg whites are a good protein source & protein powders aren’t essential. But I wouldn’t go so far as to say they're worthless.

[pillowtalk]

Most egg whites are pasteurized, meaning more protein will be absorbed than with raw whole eggs regardless of any purported synergistic effect caused by the yolk's amino acid profile.

Your digestive track does NOT absorb protien, it absorbs amino acids, amino's that are broken down from intact proteins that are digested.
What amino profile does your body need to synthesis a human muscle cell??

PT

[pillowtalk]

whey protien in powder form is probably the worst most scam thing you have ever withness in bodybuild,, it is somthing that is simply the biggest scam of the 20th century and it goes into the 21th century ,, its bad

you need to ask yourself a simple question! did it ever really get better than arnold? did arnold use this balonie?

what did arnold use?

thats right

egggggwhites and icecream with good ole oats or bananas ,, with honey and ananas juice,, with rice and fish with macaronie maybe but not! with balonie,, and the supplement industry sell you BALONIE IN A NICE SHINEY LABEL THAT THE OUTSIDE OF IT IS MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN THE INSIDE OF IT,, it is one company that make it for everyone,, biggest scam on planet earth

gh15 approved

Well you quoted Arnold, so I am convinced. honestly, jump of the nearest building that is over 14 stories you fucking wanker.
I am in the industry, so while I agree that buying WPC80 in a tub with fancy graphics is an exercise in wasting money, there are people who will sell it to you in a 20kg bag http://bulkpowders.com/ I get mine in a brown sack from our manufacturer in Navi Mumbai, so I pay bulk industry prices, also my Glutamine, Vit-C powder, etc....
Considering we have just had a Bollywood celebrity, endorse us in the 'Bombay times' my manufacturer can not bend over far enough for me.

But when you say "WPC80 is crap", I say "prove it kunt face", it has been an industry standard since the 90's!! put up some links to, scholarly peer reviewed articles, or fuck off.
Are you saying that WPC80 - PWO, is a waste of time?? I have no desire to misrepresent you here, so I just want to make sure I have got this clear.

PT approved