TRUE ADONIS- time to pay your bets.

[The True Adonis]

Its not going to stop neither.  A lot of people beating his ass is due to him allegedly using NAACP funds for the KKK not to mention walking around in a Confederate uniform.  Eventually, they are just going to straight up kill him.  There are so many people wanting his head on a stick it isn't funny.

 

Its a shame really, his site is filled with Stories and Documentation of Black Confederate Soldiers and Black Confederates.  It really is a disservice to not tell their story.  I am learning a lot of interesting things here.

http://www.southernheritage411.com/bc.shtml
http://www.southernheritage411.com/truehistory.shtml

[The True Adonis]

No Friends Of The Negro Up North
From: Bernhard1848@att.net

The black families were not in need of help before the abolition armies descended upon the American South spreading destruction and devastation. Both the mayor and governor below were careful to not allow the emigration of cheap labor into their respective States. But it was Governor John Andrew of Massachusetts and his abolitionists friends who found it better to pay black mercenaries to fill Bay State regiments rather than resident whites; and since the impressed former slaves were not citizens of that State, they would not receive State assistance for their families. A good deal for Massachusetts.

Bernhard Thuersam
Cape Fear Historical Institute
Wilmington, NC
www.CFHI.net

No Friends of the Negro Up North:

(A) large number of contraband Negroes had fled to Cairo, Illinois. Seeking help for them, Brigadier General T.W. Tuttle wrote to Mayor Sherman of Chicago, saying: "I have a large number of applications from your city for Negro servants. Will you....see that they are properly put to work?" Mayor Sherman seemed to be horrified at such a suggestion, and to Tuttle's letter he quickly replied: "Your proposition to send Negroes to Chicago to work would be in violation of the laws of this State, and a great injustice to the laboring population. I cannot give my consent..."

When the Boston Post on October 30, 1862, reported that five hundred families of contraband Negroes were to be sent to Massachusetts, Governor John Albion Andrew promptly refused to permit them to come. With regard to the governor's refusal to accept the Negroes into the State, the editor of the National Intelligencer wrote:

"It...seems that the introduction of members of this oppressed race into a State where they are supposed to have so many sympathizing friends is not regarded with favor by the people of Massachusetts. So unpropitious to "loyal blacks" is the social atmosphere that it is precisely because Governor Andrew does not wish their new freedom to become license, corruption and infamy," that he declines to aid or countenance their transportation to the North. The "African" is a "brother," but South Carolina, not Massachusetts, is left to be the "brother's keeper."

It was ironic that two areas in the country which had been so hostile to slavery and opposed to enforcement of he Fugitive Slave Law were so reluctant to accept in their midst Negro families who were faced with disease and starvation and in need of help."

(The Slave Catchers, Enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Law, 185-1860, Stanley W. Campbell, W.W. Norton, 1968, pp. 193-194)

[NarcissisticDeity]

Tbombz is right , the American Civil war was about slavery most historians concur. He brings up a lot of good points as well

And Adam do some more research

Confederate States of America - Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union
The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue.

And now the State of South Carolina having resumed her separate and equal place among nations, deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.

In the year 1765, that portion of the British Empire embracing Great Britain, undertook to make laws for the government of that portion composed of the thirteen American Colonies. A struggle for the right of self-government ensued, which resulted, on the 4th of July, 1776, in a Declaration, by the Colonies, "that they are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; and that, as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do."

They further solemnly declared that whenever any "form of government becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new government." Deeming the Government of Great Britain to have become destructive of these ends, they declared that the Colonies "are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain is, and ought to be, totally dissolved."

In pursuance of this Declaration of Independence, each of the thirteen States proceeded to exercise its separate sovereignty; adopted for itself a Constitution, and appointed officers for the administration of government in all its departments-- Legislative, Executive and Judicial. For purposes of defense, they united their arms and their counsels; and, in 1778, they entered into a League known as the Articles of Confederation, whereby they agreed to entrust the administration of their external relations to a common agent, known as the Congress of the United States, expressly declaring, in the first Article "that each State retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right which is not, by this Confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled."

Under this Confederation the war of the Revolution was carried on, and on the 3rd of September, 1783, the contest ended, and a definite Treaty was signed by Great Britain, in which she acknowledged the independence of the Colonies in the following terms: "ARTICLE 1-- His Britannic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz: New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATES; that he treats with them as such; and for himself, his heirs and successors, relinquishes all claims to the government, propriety and territorial rights of the same and every part thereof."

Thus were established the two great principles asserted by the Colonies, namely: the right of a State to govern itself; and the right of a people to abolish a Government when it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was instituted. And concurrent with the establishment of these principles, was the fact, that each Colony became and was recognized by the mother Country a FREE, SOVEREIGN AND INDEPENDENT STATE.

In 1787, Deputies were appointed by the States to revise the Articles of Confederation, and on 17th September, 1787, these Deputies recommended for the adoption of the States, the Articles of Union, known as the Constitution of the United States.

The parties to whom this Constitution was submitted, were the several sovereign States; they were to agree or disagree, and when nine of them agreed the compact was to take effect among those concurring; and the General Government, as the common agent, was then invested with their authority.

If only nine of the thirteen States had concurred, the other four would have remained as they then were-- separate, sovereign States, independent of any of the provisions of the Constitution. In fact, two of the States did not accede to the Constitution until long after it had gone into operation among the other eleven; and during that interval, they each exercised the functions of an independent nation.

By this Constitution, certain duties were imposed upon the several States, and the exercise of certain of their powers was restrained, which necessarily implied their continued existence as sovereign States. But to remove all doubt, an amendment was added, which declared that the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people. On the 23d May , 1788, South Carolina, by a Convention of her People, passed an Ordinance assenting to this Constitution, and afterwards altered her own Constitution, to conform herself to the obligations she had undertaken.

Thus was established, by compact between the States, a Government with definite objects and powers, limited to the express words of the grant. This limitation left the whole remaining mass of power subject to the clause reserving it to the States or to the people, and rendered unnecessary any specification of reserved rights.

We hold that the Government thus established is subject to the two great principles asserted in the Declaration of Independence; and we hold further, that the mode of its formation subjects it to a third fundamental principle, namely: the law of compact. We maintain that in every compact between two or more parties, the obligation is mutual; that the failure of one of the contracting parties to perform a material part of the agreement, entirely releases the obligation of the other; and that where no arbiter is provided, each party is remitted to his own judgment to determine the fact of failure, with all its consequences.

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

The General Government, as the common agent, passed laws to carry into effect these stipulations of the States. For many years these laws were executed. But an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution. The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Acts of Congress or render useless any attempt to execute them. In many of these States the fugitive is discharged from service or labor claimed, and in none of them has the State Government complied with the stipulation made in the Constitution. The State of New Jersey, at an early day, passed a law in conformity with her constitutional obligation; but the current of anti-slavery feeling has led her more recently to enact laws which render inoperative the remedies provided by her own law and by the laws of Congress. In the State of New York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her tribunals; and the States of Ohio and Iowa have refused to surrender to justice fugitives charged with murder, and with inciting servile insurrection in the State of Virginia. Thus the constituted compact has been deliberately broken and disregarded by the non-slaveholding States, and the consequence follows that South Carolina is released from her obligation.

The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety.

On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States.

The guaranties of the Constitution will then no longer exist; the equal rights of the States will be lost. The slaveholding States will no longer have the power of self-government, or self-protection, and the Federal Government will have become their enemy.

Sectional interest and animosity will deepen the irritation, and all hope of remedy is rendered vain, by the fact that public opinion at the North has invested a great political error with the sanction of more erroneous religious belief.

We, therefore, the People of South Carolina, by our delegates in Convention assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, have solemnly declared that the Union heretofore existing between this State and the other States of North America, is dissolved, and that the State of South Carolina has resumed her position among the nations of the world, as a separate and independent State; with full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do.

Adopted December 24, 1860

South Carolina's declaration on succession from the Union because of states rights concerning SLAVERY ( human beings as property )

Mississippi's "Declaration of the Immediate Causes . . ." says, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery--the greatest material interest of the world."

State's rights my ass , State's rights directly over slavery ( human fucking beings as property )

The forefathers wanted to deal with the slavery issue during the American Revolution and had to put it on the back burner because of you guessed it the South , and who fired the first shot a Fort Sumter ? the racist slave owner Edmund Ruffin , The American Civil war was fought over slavery it was a dying institution and it was a long time coming and I'm glad the South got their assess handed to em 

[The True Adonis]

Sorry, ND.

The Confederate Constitution gave each State the right to Ban Slavery totally whereas the US Constitution was hauntingly silent.  The Confederate Constitution also BANNED ALL International Slave Trade.

The South was already moving toward Freeing all of the Slaves and many were totally free and fought with the South.


Yours and TBombz Black and White history is just wrong.

[The True Adonis]

http://www.factasy.com/civil_war/2008/02/29/some_surprising_facts_abut_confederacy

2. The Confederate president himself, Jefferson Davis, came to strongly support ending slavery.  So did CSA Secretary of State Judah Benjamin, Governor William Smith of Virginia, and leading CSA Congressmen Ethelbert Barksdale and Duncan Kenner (who was one of the largest slaveholders in the South).

3. The CSA's two highest ranking generals, Robert E. Lee and Joseph E. Johnston, both disliked slavery and supported emancipation in various forms.  Lee called slavery "a moral and political evil."  Johnston called it "a curse."  (Johnston initially opposed using slaves as soldiers only because he feared it would be disruptive and ineffective, not because he had any sympathy for slavery.  He later came to support the proposal.)  Other Confederate generals who supported emancipation included General Daniel Govan, General John Kelly, and General Mark Lowrey.

4. The majority of Confederate generals did not own slaves and did not come from slaveholding families (Hattaway and Beringer, Jefferson Davis, Confederate President, p. 37).

5. Thousands of African Americans, Hispanics, and Indians fought for the Confederacy. Many of the slaves who served in the Confederate army did so because they hoped that by doing so they would be granted freedom after the war or because they were specifically promised freedom if they would serve.  The same was true of most of the slaves who fought for the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War.

The chief inspector of the U.S. Sanitary Commission, Dr. Lewis Steiner, reported that he saw about 3,000 well-armed black Confederate soldiers in Stonewall Jackson’s army--he added that those soldiers were "manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army" (Issac W. Heysinger, Antietam and the Maryland and Virginia Campaigns of 1862, New York: Neale Publishing Company, 1912, pp. 122-123; cf. John J. Dwyer, general editor, The War Between the States: America’s Uncivil War, Denton, Texas: Bluebonnet Press, 2005, p. 409).

Three Confederate states authorized free blacks to enlist in state militia units.  The first to do so was Tennessee, which passed a law on June 21, 1861, authorizing the recruitment of state militia units composed of "free persons of color" between the ages of 15 and 50.  In 1862, Louisiana assembled the all-black 1st Louisiana Native Guard, and Alabama authorized the enlistment of creoles for a state militia unit in Mobile.

6.  The Confederate Congress specified that black soldiers in the Confederate army were to receive the same pay, rations, and clothing that white soldiers received.  In contrast, black soldiers in the Union army were paid much less than white soldiers were paid for over a year.  The Union army began using former slaves and free blacks as soldiers in September 1862.  They were paid $7 per month.  Technically, they were paid $10 a month, but they were forced to pay a clothing allowance of $3, which meant their net monthly pay was only $7.  White soldiers, on the other hand, received $13 per month and were not forced to pay a clothing allowance. Thus, in the Union army white soldiers were paid nearly twice as much as black soldiers were paid.  Black Union soldiers didn’t start receiving equal pay until June 1864.  When the Confederate Congress authorized the recruitment of slaves as soldiers, it stipulated that they were to receive “the same rations, clothing and compensation as are allowed to other troops” (An Act to Increase the Military Force of the Confederate States, March 13, 1865, Section 3).  In addition, when the Confederate Congress authorized salaries for black musicians in the Confederate army in 1862, it specified that they were to receive the same pay as white army musicians, stating "whenever colored persons are employed as musicians in any regiment or company, they shall be entitled to the same pay now allowed by law to musicians regularly enlisted."

7. According to the 1860 census, only 31 percent of Southern families owned slaves. Seventy-five percent of the families that owned slaves, owned less than ten and often worked side by side with them in the fields.  Approximately half of the free blacks in America lived in the South.  The percentage of Southern citizens who held slaves was probably no more than 25 percent (some scholars put the percentage as low as 10 percent).

[The True Adonis]

The Confederacy grew from seven states to eleven states when Lincoln made it clear he was going to launch an invasion to force the seceded states to rejoin the Union.  Voters in the Upper South states of Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia initially rejected secession by substantial margins.  They were willing for their states to remain in the Union as long as Lincoln allowed the Deep South states to leave in peace.  However, when Lincoln left no doubt he was going to use force, new votes were held in the Upper South states, and this time the results were strongly in favor of secession. It should be noted that these four states did not secede because of slavery but because they believed it was illegal and immoral to maintain the Union by violence.

[chaos]

Tdongz just went back into the closet..........







To hang himself!

[The True Adonis]

 


16.  Anti-Semitism was more of a problem in the North than it was in the South (Hattaway and Beringer, Jefferson Davis, Confederate President, p. 137).  In relation to this, it should be pointed out that the Confederate Secretary of State, Judah Benjamin, was Jewish.

[The True Adonis]

Tdongz just went back into the closet..........







To hang himself!

These people have such a Childish and Incorrect view of American History.  I admit, it kind of angers me that they fight the facts.  I still don`t understand why that is.

[The True Adonis]

Vince,

Post that picture of you in that General Lee car.  I think that is a good picture of you.

[w8m8]

These people have such a Childish and Incorrect view of American History.  I admit, it kind of angers me that they fight the facts.  I still don`t understand why that is.

Public schools and "agendas" that need some basis to feed from ... people not being "interested" enough in learning , listening to others evidence and not considering anything they "know" could be wrong -> is a problem

you'd think with his open mind in "other things" he wouldn't be so closed minded when given examples that differ from what he was taught

[NarcissisticDeity]

Sorry, ND.

The Confederate Constitution gave each State the right to Ban Slavery totally whereas the US Constitution was hauntingly silent.  The Confederate Constitution also BANNED ALL International Slave Trade.

The South was already moving toward Freeing all of the Slaves and many were totally free and fought with the South.


Yours and TBombz Black and White history is just wrong.

Wrong ! you can't re-write history Adam

And the South's entire economy depended on keeping the slave trade right where it was they weren't moving towards freeing anyone , your Southern Apologist revisionist nonsense contradicts facts 

[Nirvana]

they made a wonderful movie about my 5th great uncle.

[Nirvana]

next time I head out I might take a pic of Cold Mountain for yuns.

[The True Adonis]

The Permanent Slavery Act

During his first inaugural speech, given on March 4, 1861, President Abraham Lincoln stated that he approved of a Constitutional amendment which would guarantee permanent slavery in the United States. The “Great Emancipator” said, "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. Holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." This amendment, supported by Lincoln, is shown here.





This act was passed on March 2, 1861 (The same day the Morrill Tariff was passed ) by both houses of Congress with a 66% vote. This was after the first seven states seceded from the Union, forming the Confederate States of America.

 It is interesting that we are talking about the Federal Government, and not the Confederate Government, passing an amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing permanent slavery. If this amendment had been ratified by ¾ of the states, the federal government would have been prevented from abolishing slavery in any state! Again, that is was the Northern Congress, and not the Southern Congress that passed this amendment – with President Lincoln’s approval, is to me amazingly hypocritical.

Moreover, this indicates that slavery was not the issue that caused the Civil War. Clearly the North approved of slavery, and was willing to try enacting a Constitutional amendment to preserve slavery. If the Confederate states wanted to ensure the protection of slavery, then all they would have had to do is return to the Union and ratify this amendment. Something the South did not do. The South did not ratify the Northern Congressionally passed Permanent Slavery Act.

There are many who believe that Lincoln’s support of the Permanent Slavery Act was nothing more than a political maneuver to manipulate the Southern states into returning to the Union, and thus being subject to the new 40% tax imposed on them by the Morrill Tariff. With the South importing and exporting as much as 80% of the nations goods, they would have paid an equal amount of the nation’s import taxes. All from an area which made up only 33% of the nations population. The South complained that the tax was unfair and burdensome to its population, and they were right, especially when one considers that the revenue from the tax would have been spent on Northern interests and not in the South.

The South also questioned Lincoln’s right to serve as President, as he was elected with only 39% of the popular vote. A question that has plagued numerous presidential election since then. In addition, in his inaugural speech Lincoln stated that he would not invade the South, except to collect taxes and possess tax collection stations (such as Fort Sumter). He stated, “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts [import taxes]; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.” I am confident that the South, especially South Carolina clearly remembered the broken promise of President Buchanan to not take over Fort Sumter. A promise made only a few months before Lincoln took office, and broken almost immediately.

The South’s concern was that Lincoln would invade the South, abolish State sovereignty, and establish a centralist federal government, all powerful, and impose higher taxes and reduce personal freedoms. Similar to the current situation in America today.

[NarcissisticDeity]

These people have such a Childish and Incorrect view of American History.  I admit, it kind of angers me that they fight the facts.  I still don`t understand why that is.

Hahahahaha says the Southern apologist. The American civil war was fought over slavery , it was a dying institution and it was going to happen sooner or latter , the South's entire economy was directly dependent on keeping slavery up and running

[The True Adonis]

Wrong ! you can't re-write history Adam

And the South's entire economy depended on keeping the slave trade right where it was they weren't moving towards freeing anyone , your Southern Apologist revisionist nonsense contradicts facts 

That is just blatantly false. 

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Its a shame really, his site is filled with Stories and Documentation of Black Confederate Soldiers and Black Confederates.  It really is a disservice to not tell their story.  I am learning a lot of interesting things here.

http://www.southernheritage411.com/bc.shtml
http://www.southernheritage411.com/truehistory.shtml

I don't feel sorry for him.  Like I said, he was the President of the NAACP Chapter in Asheville and he betrayed me and a lot of other people working with that Klansmen Louis Beams along with almost getting a bunch of us thrown in jail on kidnapping and false imprisonment

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Hahahahaha says the Southern apologist. The American civil war was fought over slavery , it was a dying institution and it was going to happen sooner or latter , the South's entire economy was directly dependent on keeping slavery up and running

Guess I have to post this again....




The Civil War was not really about slavery.  It was a matter of states rights vs federal rights.  Otherwise, there would have been Black Union Forces at the beginning of the war. 

I bet you didn't know that even when they did start the first black union army, they not only paid them 5 dollars less than white soldiers, they weren't given any shoes or socks and were given pikes instead of rifles.  By the way, they also had an additional 2 dollars a month deducted for food and shelter deducted from that 7 dollars.  Lincoln got a better deal on some n i g g e r s than the South could ever get on slaves. 

The vast majority of black soldiers were used as cheap work labor cutting down timber and hauling it like some mule or ox in addition to being used to ransack towns and haul cotton and valuable back to the North for profit for the Union Generals and politicians.  Even when they were allowed to fight, they were sent on suicide missions and used as cannon fodder to preserve white soldiers.     

Fact is that blacks were exploited from both the North and the South.  Slavery would have eventually ended on its own due to the Industrial Revolution as manual labor would have become obsolete.  If the North was fighting against slavery, they sure as hell as a funny way of showing it. 

My advice to you would be to study your American History because you have no clue as to what you're even talking about because the black man was getting the shaft no matter where they were.  If I was living back then, I would have just headed to Mexico or west and took my changes in the wilderness.   

[NarcissisticDeity]

That is just blatantly false. 

Sure it is  you're just being contrary

[The True Adonis]

Sure it is  you're just being contrary

I`m just being factual. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Guess I have to post this again....




The Civil War was not really about slavery.  It was a matter of states rights vs federal rights.  Otherwise, there would have been Black Union Forces at the beginning of the war. 

I bet you didn't know that even when they did start the first black union army, they not only paid them 5 dollars less than white soldiers, they weren't given any shoes or socks and were given pikes instead of rifles.  By the way, they also had an additional 2 dollars a month deducted for food and shelter deducted from that 7 dollars.  Lincoln got a better deal on some n i g g e r s than the South could ever get on slaves. 

The vast majority of black soldiers were used as cheap work labor cutting down timber and hauling it like some mule or ox in addition to being used to ransack towns and haul cotton and valuable back to the North for profit for the Union Generals and politicians.  Even when they were allowed to fight, they were sent on suicide missions and used as cannon fodder to preserve white soldiers.     

Fact is that blacks were exploited from both the North and the South.  Slavery would have eventually ended on its own due to the Industrial Revolution as manual labor would have become obsolete.  If the North was fighting against slavery, they sure as hell as a funny way of showing it. 

My advice to you would be to study your American History because you have no clue as to what you're even talking about because the black man was getting the shaft no matter where they were.  If I was living back then, I would have just headed to Mexico or west and took my changes in the wilderness.   

States rights concerning SLAVERY and BTW I read that already. The slavery issue was brewing ever since the American Revolution was was heading to a pass in the 1850s it was all about states rights concerning slaves , and the new territories and slavery

[NarcissisticDeity]

I`m just being factual. 

Nope sorry , you're just being contrary. You absolutely positively can NOT say the American Civil war wasn't about slavery , it blatantly obvious and 90-95% of historians agree

[NarcissisticDeity]

It was all about slavery


There was no such confusion at the time of Ft. Sumter. Southerners in 1861 were fairly certain the war was about slavery. Alexander Stephens, the Confederacy's vice president, said the following in his famous Cornerstone speech in March 1861, just weeks before the war started:

The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us...

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

States rights concerning SLAVERY and BTW I read that already. The slavery issue was brewing ever since the American Revolution was was heading to a pass in the 1850s it was all about states rights concerning slaves , and the new territories and slavery

If the North had any concerns for the black man, then they would not have treated those who volunteered for the Army like shit, or made them fight with pikes (that's where the term "spearchucker" comes from by the way")  paid them less, used them like ox's and mules, or made them loot and pillage towns for the Union General's and politicans benefit of fattening up their wallets.  To me, taking away a man's dignity and forcing them to steal and burn down villages is even more revolting than slavery itself.

The South didn't do my family any favors and neither did the North.  Its the reason my family for the most part have a pretty bad hatred of white people.  My family was self-sufficient for the most part because they wished to have the least interaction with white people as possible.