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« Reply #850 on: August 24, 2011, 07:53:10 PM »
Tbombz, how is that JUCO college treating you? I am being serious.  8)

How about this, In a Parliamentary System, political power is centralized in the

A) Monarchy

B) System of Regional Governments

C) Judiciary

D) Bureaycracy

E) Prime Minister

Take your time.  :D
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« Reply #851 on: August 24, 2011, 07:55:22 PM »
Ted Turner approved.


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« Reply #852 on: August 24, 2011, 07:58:28 PM »

a liberal who defends slavery and is trying to poke fun at gays   ::)




now, its time to come to end this silly thread and ill do so by making a concession. 

who started the war? the north.
why did the north start the war? to force the south to remain in the union.
was slavery part of the reason why the north started the war? no.

those are facts. the civil war was started to preserve the union, not to end slavery. fact.



now, that being said, we have some other facts.

what caused the north to start the war? the southern states secession.
what caused the southern states to secede? their fear of losing slavery.
what was the confederacy started to preserve? the institution of slavery.


the north was fighting to preserve the union, the south was fighting to preserve slavery.




this whole conversation began because i told you, adam, that the confederacy and the confederate flag was not to be celebrated, but to be shamed. and if one views slavery as immoral, then one has to condemn the confederacy. fact. done. no argument.   






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« Reply #853 on: August 24, 2011, 08:00:01 PM »
How about this one Tbomz:

The Goal of the Revolutionary war was

A) Fraternity

B) Equality

C) To abolish Slavery

D) Liberty

C'mon, amuse us.  :o
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« Reply #854 on: August 24, 2011, 08:01:15 PM »
if one views slavery as immoral, then one has to condemn the confederacy.

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« Reply #855 on: August 24, 2011, 08:10:50 PM »
if one views slavery as immoral, then one has to condemn the confederacy.
First one would have to view slavery as immoral, some may say it was a means to an end and justifiable at the time, hardly immoral. Then you are assuming that these same people would view immorality as something to be condemned.

LOL, your flawed logic is terribly misguided kid! :D
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« Reply #856 on: August 24, 2011, 08:11:24 PM »
The Permanent Slavery Act

During his first inaugural speech, given on March 4, 1861, President Abraham Lincoln stated that he approved of a Constitutional amendment which would guarantee permanent slavery in the United States. The “Great Emancipator” said, "I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. Holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable." This amendment, supported by Lincoln, is shown here.





This act was passed on March 2, 1861 (The same day the Morrill Tariff was passed ) by both houses of Congress with a 66% vote. This was after the first seven states seceded from the Union, forming the Confederate States of America.

 It is interesting that we are talking about the Federal Government, and not the Confederate Government, passing an amendment to the Constitution guaranteeing permanent slavery. If this amendment had been ratified by ¾ of the states, the federal government would have been prevented from abolishing slavery in any state! Again, that is was the Northern Congress, and not the Southern Congress that passed this amendment – with President Lincoln’s approval, is to me amazingly hypocritical.

Moreover, this indicates that slavery was not the issue that caused the Civil War. Clearly the North approved of slavery, and was willing to try enacting a Constitutional amendment to preserve slavery. If the Confederate states wanted to ensure the protection of slavery, then all they would have had to do is return to the Union and ratify this amendment. Something the South did not do. The South did not ratify the Northern Congressionally passed Permanent Slavery Act.

There are many who believe that Lincoln’s support of the Permanent Slavery Act was nothing more than a political maneuver to manipulate the Southern states into returning to the Union, and thus being subject to the new 40% tax imposed on them by the Morrill Tariff. With the South importing and exporting as much as 80% of the nations goods, they would have paid an equal amount of the nation’s import taxes. All from an area which made up only 33% of the nations population. The South complained that the tax was unfair and burdensome to its population, and they were right, especially when one considers that the revenue from the tax would have been spent on Northern interests and not in the South.

The South also questioned Lincoln’s right to serve as President, as he was elected with only 39% of the popular vote. A question that has plagued numerous presidential election since then. In addition, in his inaugural speech Lincoln stated that he would not invade the South, except to collect taxes and possess tax collection stations (such as Fort Sumter). He stated, “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts [import taxes]; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.” I am confident that the South, especially South Carolina clearly remembered the broken promise of President Buchanan to not take over Fort Sumter. A promise made only a few months before Lincoln took office, and broken almost immediately.

The South’s concern was that Lincoln would invade the South, abolish State sovereignty, and establish a centralist federal government, all powerful, and impose higher taxes and reduce personal freedoms. Similar to the current situation in America today.

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« Reply #857 on: August 24, 2011, 08:13:33 PM »
First one would have to view slavery as immoral, some may say it was a means to an end and justifiable at the time, hardly immoral. Then you are assuming that these same people would view immorality as something to be condemned.

LOL, your flawed logic is terribly misguided kid! :D
  ;D thats actually a logical criticism and i appluad you for being intelligent enough to come up with it but common sense dictates immorality is to be condemned and also that slavery is immoral.

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« Reply #858 on: August 24, 2011, 08:15:14 PM »
The Permanent Slavery Act

  all that bolded stuff addressed whther or not the union is to be shamed. im not arguing that the union is to be celebrated.  ive already admitted the union was not fighting to end slavery.



the FACT that you cant get around is that the souths secession was  to preserve slavery.

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« Reply #859 on: August 24, 2011, 08:19:52 PM »
  ;D thats actually a logical criticism and i appluad you for being intelligent enough to come up with it but common sense dictates immorality is to be condemned and also that slavery is immoral.
Immorality is subjective.......for example, a majority of people would say homosexual encounters are immoral and therefore you should be condemned, would you agree with your condemnation? :)
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« Reply #860 on: August 24, 2011, 08:25:00 PM »
  all that bolded stuff addressed whther or not the union is to be shamed. im not arguing that the union is to be celebrated.  ive already admitted the union was not fighting to end slavery.



the FACT that you cant get around is that the souths secession was  to preserve slavery.
Again, you are treating the Confederacy as if it is one entity. It was not.  It never was intended to be and that was the whole point of Secession, to break away from a strong Centralized Government in order to shift more power to each individual state. Each state that made up the Confederacy had their own reasons as to why they wanted to ultimately Secede and preservation of Slavery was not at the forefront in all Secessionist States.  

Its quite simple to understand.

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« Reply #861 on: August 24, 2011, 08:25:31 PM »

we now interrupt this political debate for a little humour.



Why would someone post that photo? What has this site turned into?  I'm utterly speechless.

Well Tbombz I guess you can take presidential candidate off the list, or even mover for that matter.

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« Reply #862 on: August 24, 2011, 08:49:47 PM »
Lyrics are dead on of course.  ;)


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« Reply #863 on: August 24, 2011, 08:53:15 PM »
Immorality is subjective.......for example, a majority of people would say homosexual encounters are immoral and therefore you should be condemned, would you agree with your condemnation? :)
if it was proven to be immoral sure, by definition immorality is that which is to be condemned.  

but immorality really isnt subjective, you can logically deduce morality. if there is no victim, there is no immorality. there can be slight variances. for example, violence in self defense or in defense of others can be morally justified if one takes the view point that there is no life after death nor justice after death. but if one believes in the traditional religious version of the way the world and the after life works then violence could never be justififed, even in self defense or defense of others. "you have heard an eye for an eye, but i say if soemone strikes your cheek you turn the other to them and offer it to be striked as well"  . outside of that kind of variance morality is not subjective and one could not make the case that behavior which is victimless is immoral, and thus homozexuality, creating no victims, is not immoral. now, i must concede, if one did not know that the vast majority of homosexuals could never be turned on by a woman and are only attracted to men, by "design" or experience, either way..   then one could make an argument that its possible for homosexuality to be immoral since they themselves could be the victim of their behavior. but knowing that alot of times homosexuals are, simply put, women in mens bodies, you can understand how its victimless and therefore not immoral.


Again, you are treating the Confederacy as if it is one entity. It was not.  It never was intended to be and that was the whole point of Secession, to break away from a strong Centralized Government in order to shift more power to each individual state. Each state that made up the Confederacy had their own reasons as to why they wanted to ultimately Secede and preservation of Slavery was not at the forefront in all Secessionist States.  

Its quite simple to understand.
revisionsit history  ::) secession had nothing to do with decentralizing power, had everything to do with preserving slavery. look it up, the states themselves list that explicitly.


Why would someone post that photo? What has this site turned into?  I'm utterly speechless.

Well Tbombz I guess you can take presidential candidate off the list, or even mover for that matter.
  ::) pray tell, what exactly is wrong with that photo? 

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« Reply #864 on: August 24, 2011, 09:01:53 PM »
So who is going to be banned? 

Also the civil war was about states rights, but slavery was one of the biggest issues. Everybody knows that.

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« Reply #865 on: August 24, 2011, 09:06:32 PM »
if it was proven to be immoral sure, by definition immorality is that which is to be condemned.  

but immorality really isnt subjective, you can logically deduce morality. if there is no victim, there is no immorality. there can be slight variances. for example, violence in self defense or in defense of others can be morally justified if one takes the view point that there is no life after death nor justice after death. but if one believes in the traditional religious version of the way the world and the after life works then violence could never be justififed, even in self defense or defense of others. "you have heard an eye for an eye, but i say if soemone strikes your cheek you turn the other to them and offer it to be striked as well"  . outside of that kind of variance morality is not subjective and one could not make the case that behavior which is victimless is immoral, and thus homozexuality, creating no victims, is not immoral. now, i must concede, if one did not know that the vast majority of homosexuals could never be turned on by a woman and are only attracted to men, by "design" or experience, either way..   then one could make an argument that its possible for homosexuality to be immoral since they themselves could be the victim of their behavior. but knowing that alot of times homosexuals are, simply put, women in mens bodies, you can understand how its victimless and therefore not immoral.


You have made your own definition of immoral, and it's wrong. By fault homosexuality is immoral and society is being brainwashed to accept it.

You can claim it's a choice, you can claim you were born that way, doesn't matter, fact is, even in California, homosexuality is still viewed by the majority as immoral.

So tdongz to you accept you condemnation yet?

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Definition of IMMORAL



 : not moral; broadly: conflicting with generally or traditionally held moral principles



http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immoral
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« Reply #866 on: August 24, 2011, 09:34:51 PM »
if it was proven to be immoral sure, by definition immorality is that which is to be condemned.  

but immorality really isnt subjective, you can logically deduce morality. if there is no victim, there is no immorality. there can be slight variances. for example, violence in self defense or in defense of others can be morally justified if one takes the view point that there is no life after death nor justice after death. but if one believes in the traditional religious version of the way the world and the after life works then violence could never be justififed, even in self defense or defense of others. "you have heard an eye for an eye, but i say if soemone strikes your cheek you turn the other to them and offer it to be striked as well"  . outside of that kind of variance morality is not subjective and one could not make the case that behavior which is victimless is immoral, and thus homozexuality, creating no victims, is not immoral. now, i must concede, if one did not know that the vast majority of homosexuals could never be turned on by a woman and are only attracted to men, by "design" or experience, either way..   then one could make an argument that its possible for homosexuality to be immoral since they themselves could be the victim of their behavior. but knowing that alot of times homosexuals are, simply put, women in mens bodies, you can understand how its victimless and therefore not immoral.

 revisionsit history  ::) secession had nothing to do with decentralizing power, had everything to do with preserving slavery. look it up, the states themselves list that explicitly.

  ::) pray tell, what exactly is wrong with that photo?  
I am really not willing to believe that you actually take yourself serious if the statement regarding Secession is one you put forth as fact.  Decentralization of Federal Power to each state under a loose Confederacy is the very crux of Secession.  Perhaps you should read the Confederate Constitution, the same one that states that each State has the power to Permanently BAN SLAVERY if they wish.  The United States Constitution never went that far.  Why would the Confederacy include that IN THEIR CONSTITUTION if they weren`t eventually planning to follow suit and end the practice?  Surely they would have left that entire part out if they so dearly wanted to protect slavery as you wrongly assert.

The other ignorant thing you claim is that all States explicitly state they want to protect Slavery.  This is immediately PROVEN FALSE as nowhere in the Secession Ordinance of North Carolina is this even remotely stated.

TBombz, it would really help if you actually knew your history and it is clear you don`t.  Please educate yourself.


http://www.northcarolinahistory.org/encyclopedia/52/entry/

On April 15, Lincoln called for 75,000 troops to “put down the rebellion.”  Governor Ellis responded:  “You can get no troops from North Carolina.”  When word arrived of Lincoln’s summons, Zebulon Vance, with arms upraised, was pleading for the preservation of the Union: “When my hand came down from that impassioned gesticulation,” he said, “it fell slowly and sadly by the side of a secessionist.”
Ellis called a special session of the legislature for May 1 and ordered seizure of all federal property.  The Assembly voted to have a delegate election on May 13 to an unrestricted convention to meet in Raleigh on May 20.  The campaign that followed was characterized more by resignation than enthusiasm, as evidenced by former Unionists’ and secessionists’ speeches disparaging aggression.
When the convention met, delegates debated whether to secede, as some Unionists suggested, on the basis of “the right of revolution.”  Radical secessionists, however, favored repealing the state’s ratification of the U.S. Constitution as the most appropriate means of leaving the Union.

North Carolinians seceded reluctantly.  Jonathan Worth (1802-1869) stated publicly: “Lincoln had made us a unit to resist until we repel our invaders or die.”

The Tar Heel State, which only acted after Lincoln called for troops, became a bulwark of the Confederate defense, providing more men and supplies to the CSA and suffering more casualties than any other Southern state.   In the end, most Tar Heels seceded in the name of self-defense.

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« Reply #867 on: August 24, 2011, 09:42:29 PM »
You have made your own definition of immoral, and it's wrong. By fault homosexuality is immoral and society is being brainwashed to accept it.

You can claim it's a choice, you can claim you were born that way, doesn't matter, fact is, even in California, homosexuality is still viewed by the majority as immoral.

So tdongz to you accept you condemnation yet?

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/immoral

morality has nothing to do with majority opinion.

morality is based on how a behavior affects happiness and/or suffering.




adam, so the confederates gave themselves the right to ban slavery if they wanted to. um, so what? that doesnt mean anything except the fact they wanted to give themselves as much freedom as possible. look into their justifications for secession, not published y the north, published by the southern states themselves. they seceeded to preserve slavery.

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« Reply #868 on: August 24, 2011, 10:00:37 PM »
Your logic is flawed beyond belief and the facts certainly are not on your side.  You can call me whatever name you wish as it will not change the course of history one iota, nor will you ever be correct.  When North Carolina drafted their Ordinance of Secession, Slavery was not even considered an issue.  The same applies to Four other states, including mighty Virginia.  

If this is the best of the California Public School system, where I presume you learned such incorrect drivel, I am not impressed one bit and they have failed you and you have failed yourself.

Afterall, California has moved to teach "Gay History" now in Schools which is the most absurd thing I have ever heard in my life.  As if anyone did anything in History because they were motivated by the cock.  ::)

Perhaps you can be the first in the History books there, my dear TDongz.

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« Reply #869 on: August 24, 2011, 10:11:37 PM »
morality has nothing to do with majority opinion.

morality is based on how a behavior affects happiness and/or suffering.




adam, so the confederates gave themselves the right to ban slavery if they wanted to. um, so what? that doesnt mean anything except the fact they wanted to give themselves as much freedom as possible. look into their justifications for secession, not published y the north, published by the southern states themselves. they seceeded to preserve slavery.

Again, read the Secession Ordinance of North Carolina.  Nowhere does it state protecting Slavery or even allude to it.  Or you can just read what I posted previously regarding their entrance into the Confederacy.

In Fact, General Sherman took it easy on North Carolina and didn`t blaze the trail that he did in Georgia for the simple fact that he considered North Carolina a Union State at heart.

When the one-armed General O.O. Howard entered my town, he did so with great respect and ordered his men to not touch a thing.  Two of his men did sneak off,drunk and tried to break in the Bennett House.  They told Mr. Bennett they were there to rob and kill him.  Mr. Bennett, seventy years old came out with his gun and shot one of them dead.  When the Union provost Marshall came to ask Mr. Bennett if he was Guilty or not, Bennett said, "If you mean yes, did I kill the Soldier, I answer Yes".  The Union Provost than replied, "You did right. If others of my men come to your house destroying your property, shoot them. But I will give you a guard to prevent further trouble".

Another one of Howard`s soldiers said, "I much rather kill a New Yorker than a Rebel."

You see, this wasn`t a Good Vs. Evil, Slavery vs. Abolition, Black and White war that you were taught or that you want to believe.  Its very complex.

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« Reply #870 on: August 24, 2011, 10:16:06 PM »
Unacceptable!

Isn`t that one of the most ridiculous things you have EVER heard of?  Is California trying to be the laughing stock of the United States or just the dumbest State in the nation?

As if being Gay motivated any one in history for the sole purpose of being Gay.  What does their Sexual Preference have to do with anything?  Most people like to keep that to their selves. Furthermore, how are they going to prove that certain figures were in fact Gay 100,200, 500 years ago?  Whats the the text book going to look like, A big Rainbow with Gay all over it. 

It is one of the most pathetic things I think I have ever heard actually.

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« Reply #871 on: August 24, 2011, 10:49:23 PM »
I can not convey the feeling and thoughts this evokes in me into words. Just wow, that's so well.. gay.

No direct offense intended to any gays out there, but come on lets get real. Having a history lesson about an alternative lifestyle that is thought by many as immoral or indecent by some, you don't have to hide it in this day and age but to expose students to it purposely? And if not the history of the alternative lifestyle, then the gay people themselves? Like you said the group as an entity has done nothing of historical merit, and perhaps there have been people of influence who were gay but any distinguished historical instance they are credited with would surely not be tied to or fuled by their homosexuality. The aforementioned would also be difficult as I doubt there are or will be any openly gay important historical figures now or in the future, and as you mention it will be hard to prove rumored homosexuality of past historical figures with faint evidence that would more likely than not jsut succeed in tarnishing reputations and legacies than anything of true educational value. Seems more significant curriculum objectives have to be removed to fit this radical and frankly absurd gay history agenda.

This is the biggest crock in all of this, a further diluted education without a viable cause. Again not necessarily hating on the gays, but the American educational system does not need anymore fluff replacing actual substantial content

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« Reply #872 on: August 24, 2011, 11:07:37 PM »

we now interrupt this political debate for a little humour.


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i dont think this dude knows how much smaller he would be if he was at the same bf and dryeness (is that even a word?) as no one

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« Reply #873 on: August 24, 2011, 11:19:03 PM »
:D

i dont think this dude knows how much smaller he would be if he was at the same bf and dryeness (is that even a word?) as no one
Yes - Tbomb has improved but he has a good 30 pounds to drop to be anywhere near the condition and bf% of No One - he is also "flexing" where as No One is standing "semi" Relaxed - I say "semi" as none of us when taking pics ever fully relax  :D

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« Reply #874 on: August 24, 2011, 11:22:44 PM »
looking good no one but i cant believe you think your bigger than me.. 

Post a pic in the exact same position. The pics you post are always shadowy and you in some crunching most muscular type pose.

You are nowhere near no one's league. Not even close. Just bloofy testosterona look.