Author Topic: A sad state of affairs...... TIME TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY (Read 3488 times)

Skip8282 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:39:02 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 23, 2011, 02:22:53 PM

What a private citizen can do is NOT the problem

That's nonsense and a complete lack of understanding of the problem.

What a private citizen can do is the very root of the issue.

The 1st Amendment gives people the right to assemble, and that includes assembly in corporate form. In fact, the entire case that brought this about was little tiny Citizens United, a small handful of people with the same beliefs that wanted to make a political statement.

I won't proclaim to know the solution, but it's no where even close to simply saying private citizens can be treated differently from corporations, or "get money out of politics", or any other easy line to just toss out.

Maybe amending the 1st amendment to prevent assembly in corporate form (but I'm no lawyer, so I don't know if even that would work).

OzmO · « **Reply #26 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:39:21 PM »

Take note everyone.......

This is why our country is fucked over, it's because of people like 333333 who get manipulated into hatred while we are bent over. Blinded fools.

kcballer · « **Reply #27 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:39:47 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:35:43 PM

Yeah ok jackass - I have read more 1st amendment cases and books than you will in your lifetime.

Sorry unlike you and Ozmo - I dont favor empowering the govt to restrict free speech rights for anyone so that the disgusting leeches in the govt can have more free reign to restrict rights and freedoms under the US Const.

You are a retard. You may have read the magna carta 5000 times for all i care, but you are still a retard whose opinion is akin to a drunk idiot shouting crazy phrases in that piss stained town, that you call New York.

headhuntersix · « **Reply #28 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:39:55 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 11:31:53 AM

Amen brother Ozmo!

Didn't you bail on the US.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:40:29 PM »

Quote from: kcballer on August 23, 2011, 02:28:13 PM

He's a robot. He has no actual thought outside of propaganda. It's sad. But not unexpected.

Pot meet kettle.

kcballer · « **Reply #30 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:40:45 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 02:38:23 PM

Make all lobbying illegal...solution.

I wish it was illegal for you to lobby the sh*t out of this board for that loser Ron Paul.

Deicide · « **Reply #31 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:41:45 PM »

Quote from: kcballer on August 23, 2011, 02:37:21 PM

Hahaha oh look who it is. The Ron Paul brown noser!

That's all you have to say? is that because you lack the intellectual merit to challenge what I have said to you? Apparently not. ::)I don't care if you support RP or not, that is not the point, the point is, as Ozmo has shown you, that both parties are bought and have sold out and that the American people do not have a say anymore. You must be pretty dense to not get that and keep at the 'Repulicans are evil and the Democrats are the solution.' schtick; your favourite 'liberal' Obama bailed out Wallstreet and fucked over the middle class and poor people you claim to care so much about...any response to that? or will you just keep to the infantile name calling?

kcballer · « **Reply #32 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:41:54 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on August 23, 2011, 02:40:29 PM

Pot meet kettle.

hahaha good one! You are hilarious.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #33 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:42:09 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 23, 2011, 02:36:54 PM

I have aproblem with the fact that our country has been stolen from us.

Obviously you do not.

All you seem to be worry about is your right to hate Obama.

Keep it going tool.

Do you think Paulson made that decision on his very own?

Yeah and? How does restricting my business with say 25 shareholders from running ads against Senator POFS who is passing horrendous laws and regulations hurting my business help anything?

See - its all funs and games when you point to obvious bad actors like GE, GS, Citi etc, but the law does not work that way. What you pass for those bad actors applies to EVERYONE!

Sorry - just because I loathe GS, GE, Citi, etc, does not mean I am in favor in passing unconsitutional restrictions on free speech that apply equally to everyone, including the corner deli.

kcballer · « **Reply #34 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:42:36 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 02:41:45 PM

That's all you have to say? is that because you lack the intellectual merit to challenge what I have said to you? Apparently not. ::)I don't care if you support RP or not, that is not the point, the point is, as Ozmo has shown you, that both parties are bought and have sold out and that the American people do not have a say anymore. You must be pretty dense to not get that and keep at the 'Repulicans are evil and the Democrats are the solution.' schtick; your favourite 'liberal' Obama bailed out Wallstreet and fucked over the middle class and poor people you claim to care so much about...any response to that? or will you just keep to the infantile name calling?

Dude no one cares what you have to say. Least of all me.

Deicide · « **Reply #35 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:43:04 PM »

Quote from: headhuntersix on August 23, 2011, 02:39:55 PM

Didn't you bail on the US.

Hardly, I lived their last year and vote in elections, wouldn't call that 'bailing' though given the current state of the economy there it might be a smart thing to do.

OzmO · « **Reply #36 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:43:30 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on August 23, 2011, 02:39:02 PM

That's nonsense and a complete lack of understanding of the problem.
What a private citizen can do is the very root of the issue.
The 1st Amendment gives people the right to assemble, and that includes assembly in corporate form. In fact, the entire case that brought this about was little tiny Citizens United, a small handful of people with the same beliefs that wanted to make a political statement.
I won't proclaim to know the solution, but it's no where even close to simply saying private citizens can be treated differently from corporations, or "get money out of politics", or any other easy line to just toss out.
Maybe amending the 1st amendment to prevent assembly in corporate form (but I'm no lawyer, so I don't know if even that would work).

Skip, a conservative administration Totally went against their principles in what was essentially a snap decision and got billions involved in business with our tax money without our consent!

And as you and many others have shown many times it didn't stop there!

Now we can go on and on about what private citizens can or can't do, but this bail out issue with banks and how our government rolled over for them is the problem not whether or not 333333 can advertise his obsession for OB in the NYT.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #37 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:43:48 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 02:38:23 PM

Make all lobbying illegal...solution.

The NRA is a lobbying org. Should be ban the NRA? They lobby for Gun Rights and the 2nd amend. Why should they be banned?

Deicide · « **Reply #38 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:44:28 PM »

Quote from: kcballer on August 23, 2011, 02:42:36 PM

Dude no one cares what you have to say. Least of all me.

Sure Mr. Fake Liberal...

Obama is for a strong middle class, huh?

OzmO · « **Reply #39 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:45:59 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:42:09 PM

Yeah and? How does restricting my business with say 25 shareholders from running ads against Senator POFS who is passing horrendous laws and regulations hurting my business help anything?

See - its all funs and games when you point to obvious bad actors like GE, GS, Citi etc, but the law does not work that way. What you pass for those bad actors applies to EVERYONE!

Sorry - just because I loathe GS, GE, Citi, etc, does not mean I am in favor in passing unconsitutional restrictions on free speech that apply equally to everyone, including the corner deli.

It works both ways on both sides. That's why there is no running in the library.

Money is NOT free speech.

Deicide · « **Reply #40 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:46:05 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:43:48 PM

The NRA is a lobbying org. Should be ban the NRA? They lobby for Gun Rights and the 2nd amend. Why should they be banned?

Change the structure of the organisation. Lobbying has ruined the country, people simply buy favours and votes. It's need to be banned. The 2nd amendment is enshrined in the Constitution. They shouldn't need to lobby for that.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #41 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:46:30 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 23, 2011, 02:39:21 PM

Take note everyone.......

This is why our country is fucked over, it's because of people like 333333 who get manipulated into hatred while we are bent over. Blinded fools.

Meltdown - sorry you are acting like a woman. I actually give a rats ass about the 1st Amend as a check against the govt as it was originally set up.

If you want Obama/bush/Pelosi/Clinton/Newt et al restricting your free speech rights because they can't seem to resist the temptation against corruption - fine - I am totally against that.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #42 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:50:16 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 23, 2011, 02:45:59 PM

It works both ways on both sides. That's why there is no running in the library.

Money is NOT free speech.

you can keep stamping your feet all you like - as a matter of law and fact you are wrong.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #43 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:51:49 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 02:46:05 PM

Change the structure of the organisation. Lobbying has ruined the country, people simply buy favours and votes. It's need to be banned. The 2nd amendment is enshrined in the Constitution. They shouldn't need to lobby for that.

I look at it from the opposite way - if these politicans were not given or allowed to have the power to fuck with our rights in the first place, an Org like the NRA wouldnt even exist.

Actions result in reactions.

Deicide · « **Reply #44 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:53:07 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:51:49 PM

I look at it from the opposite way - if these politicans were not given or allowed to have the power to fuck with our rights in the first place, an Org like the NRA wouldnt even exist.

Actions result in reactions.

So, keep lobbying then? What is the solution?

OzmO · « **Reply #45 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:54:12 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:50:16 PM

you can keep stamping your feet all you like - as a matter of law and fact you are wrong.

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:46:30 PM

Meltdown - sorry you are acting like a woman. I actually give a rats ass about the 1st Amend as a check against the govt as it was originally set up.

If you want Obama/bush/Pelosi/Clinton/Newt et al restricting your free speech rights because they can't seem to resist the temptation against corruption - fine - I am totally against that.

SNORE. Basically, you think things should just stay as they are. I got it.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #46 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:55:34 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 02:53:07 PM

So, keep lobbying then? What is the solution?

What do you think Lobbying is?

Its people lobbying their govt for something or to stop doing something. Why would we want to get rid of that?

Deicide · « **Reply #47 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:57:51 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on August 23, 2011, 02:55:34 PM

What do you think Lobbying is?

Its people lobbying their govt for something or to stop doing something. Why would we want to get rid of that?

That is hardly what lobbying is or at least restricted to; people lobby to get favours, Wallstreet lobbies Congress and politicians, get favours, i.e. bailouts. Israel lobbies in Washington for the same reasons and the list is endless. The government should not be in the business of denying or granting favours, only protecting rights.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #48 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:58:09 PM »

Quote from: OzmO on August 23, 2011, 02:54:12 PM

SNORE. Basically, you think things should just stay as they are. I got it.

Did i say that?

No - stop crying and melting down on this.

The govt should not be in a position to pick winners and losers. I was one of the few against TARP and you can look it up. I did not favor any of these bailouts or giveaways.

I favor no bailouts, no giveaways, flat tax w/o deductions or set offs, minimal regulation, moral hazard, and 50% or more less govt.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #49 on:** August 23, 2011, 02:58:36 PM »

Quote from: Deicide on August 23, 2011, 02:38:23 PM

Make all lobbying illegal...solution.

Not a solution at all. Lobbying isn't necessarily a bad thing.