Regarding narcotics and bodybuilders? Do all pros do them?

[KevinP85]

Y0U SAY I  SUCK AND YET Y0U CLAIM I'M 0N DRUGS WHEN I'M N0T. HAHA 0KAY. WHAT EVER MAKES Y0U SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT INSECURE LITTLE BITCH.  

You do SUCK and you're on DRUGS. Why is that hard to understand, and my physique natural or not natural still wipe the floor with yours, so I am sleeping okay, thanks for your concern.

[tbombz]

lets say you are ummmmmmmmmmm 170lb naturaly on stage 5'10...this is VERY VERY GOOD NATURAL!,,

you add aas...and you are sick in the head really like bodybuilding and do it all the time....

you will end up about 20-30lb bigger from aas only

that means you will compete 195lb 5'10 if only used anabolic steroids,, maybe 200lb if really in your early 200s...

those are the best case scenarios by the way ,, most average fellas only gain 15-20lb on a true natural ,, im talking LEAN LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE

now! when you add hgh to aas....then something happen....you sundenly can break the 200lb mark on stage

and when you add hgh and insulina....you finaly can be the mess you see today at 240 250 260 270etc...

a 220lb 5'10 fella on stage is always on hgh insulina and aas,, ALWAYS



that means! any bodybuild who you ever seen on stage at 5'10 220 lb was on all 3 ! and that means any bodybuild you saw 5'8 205-210lb on stage .....was on all 3 ! ,, and that means every  5'6 bodybuild who ever was 190-195lb on stage was on all 3! and the list go on and on and on

7lb per inch up or down

gh15 approved

this is the undisputable truth and there is absolutely no denying it. for proof all one has to do is look at the weights of the top olympia competitors from the different eras. the steroid era, the steroid and gh era, and the modern day steroid gh and insulin era. the bodyweights of the competitors fall perfectly in line with those quoted by gh15 and if anyone thinks different they are just plain ignorant.

[asbrus]

lets say you are ummmmmmmmmmm 170lb naturaly on stage 5'10...this is VERY VERY GOOD NATURAL!,,

you add aas...and you are sick in the head really like bodybuilding and do it all the time....

you will end up about 20-30lb bigger from aas only

that means you will compete 195lb 5'10 if only used anabolic steroids,, maybe 200lb if really in your early 200s...

those are the best case scenarios by the way ,, most average fellas only gain 15-20lb on a true natural ,, im talking LEAN LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE

now! when you add hgh to aas....then something happen....you sundenly can break the 200lb mark on stage

and when you add hgh and insulina....you finaly can be the mess you see today at 240 250 260 270etc...

a 220lb 5'10 fella on stage is always on hgh insulina and aas,, ALWAYS




that means! any bodybuild who you ever seen on stage at 5'10 220 lb was on all 3 ! and that means any bodybuild you saw 5'8 205-210lb on stage .....was on all 3 ! ,, and that means every  5'6 bodybuild who ever was 190-195lb on stage was on all 3! and the list go on and on and on

7lb per inch up or down

gh15 approved

S0 IF I'M 5 11 180 AT 6 PERCENT. H0W MUCH WILL I BE 0N STAGE IF I WANTED T0 C0MPETE WITH0UT DRUGS? CAN I BE AR0UND 177?

[tbombz]

S0 IF I'M 5 11 180 AT 6 PERCENT. H0W MUCH WILL I BE 0N STAGE IF I WANTED T0 C0MPETE WITH0UT DRUGS? CAN I BE AR0UND 177?

try 160-165 dude.

[asbrus]

try 160-165 dude.

EACH PERCENT 0F B0DY FAT IS 2 LBS. EXPLAIN T0 ME WHERE THE 20 LB DR0P W0ULD C0ME FR0M AFTER GETTING D0WN 1 PERCENT FR0M 6- 5?

[asbrus]

 and you're on DRUGS.

CAN'T HAVE IT B0TH WAYS. EITHER I SUCK AND AM 0N THE DRUGS 0R I'M NATURAL AND GET ACCUSED 0F TAKING DRUGS MAKING ME THE ENVY 0F THIS B0ARD FR0M ATTENTI0N WH0RES LIKE Y0U. I CAN JUST SEE Y0U RAGING RIGHT N0W. EVERYTIME I P0ST KEVIN C0MES IN AND STARTS PANTING LIKE THE GIRL WH0'S N0T GETTING ANY ATTENTI0N AT THE CLUB. THE B0ARD WILL STILL ACCUSE ME 0F DRUGS. 100 % NATURAL MINUS THE CREATINE. DEAL WITH IT.  

[tbombz]

EACH PERCENT 0F B0DY FAT IS 2 LBS. EXPLAIN T0 ME WHERE THE 20 LB DR0P W0ULD C0ME FR0M AFTER GETTING D0WN 1 PERCENT FR0M 6- 5?

your not 180 at 6% naturally, but even if you were, youd have to drop 1-1.5% bodyfat to get on stage, and being a natural losing those last few lbs of fat will require losing muscle as well, so your looking at about 6-7 lbs of fat and muscle loss easily, if your truly 6%, add to that at least about 10lbs of water loss in order to get dry.. that puts you at about 165 on stage.  thats extremely impressve for a natural and you would look phenomenal on stage.

[asbrus]

your not 180 at 6% naturally, but even if you were, youd have to drop 1-1.5% bodyfat to get on stage, and being a natural losing those last few lbs of fat will require losing muscle as well, so your looking at about 6-7 lbs of fat and muscle loss easily, if your truly 6%, add to that at least about 10lbs of water loss in order to get dry.. that puts you at about 165 on stage.  thats extremely impressve for a natural and you would look phenomenal on stage.

N0 I AM. I HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING. I MEASURED MYSELF 0N THE MACHINE AND CAME 0UT 4 PERCENT AND AT 5 PERCENT 0N CALIPERS. BUT EACH PERCENT 0F FAT IS 2 LBS AND N0T 6. S0 2 LBS 0F FAT PLUS 2-3 LBS 0F MUSCLE L0SS. I H0NESTLY CAN'T L0SE 10 LBS 0F WATER.

[tbombz]

N0 I AM. I HAVEN'T TAKEN ANYTHING. I MEASURED MYSELF 0N THE MACHINE AND CAME 0UT 4 PERCENT AND AT 5 PERCENT 0N CALIPERS. BUT EACH PERCENT 0F FAT IS 2 LBS AND N0T 6. S0 2 LBS 0F FAT PLUS 2-3 LBS 0F MUSCLE L0SS. I H0NESTLY CAN'T L0SE 10 LBS 0F WATER.

hae you posted a picture of yourself? i find it hard to believe you are that lean at that body weight being a natural.  if you are, you could possibly be as heavy as 170 on stage. youd be suprised how much water you can lose though.

[gh15]

Gh15,,, if someone could only use one drug for cutting what would it be?  Primo, Anavar, Clen, T3,

i already said it ,, TRENBOLONA ACE all day long ,, it is gold ,, it is bette than actualy holding gold in your hand

gh15 approved

[gh15]

S0 IF I'M 5 11 180 AT 6 PERCENT. H0W MUCH WILL I BE 0N STAGE IF I WANTED T0 C0MPETE WITH0UT DRUGS? CAN I BE AR0UND 177?

depends how much water you hold on you ,, i dont know its not possible to say from pictures to the t ...but! from what i have seen ....about 170-175lb 6% ,,thats if you are 6% and hold low water

water can go from 2lb to 20lb ,, the true naturals hold very low water,,the hormiznized fellas even when condition is good and 7% still at times hold 15lb of water on them ....

so while you go from 180 to 170...truely naturaly and eady to step on stage...the hormonized fella 5'11 210 lb 6-7% wil have to go down first 15lb of water to 195lb...to even look comparable to you as in as dry and as conditioned....and then he will step on stage 190-195lb hormonized and you will stap on stage 170lb truly natual...

so 20lb of lean muscle diff which is ABSOLITLY HUGE HUGE HUGE diff,,diff classes and just too big of a diff of lean muscle tissue,, even 5 lb of muscle is big diff ,, lean muscle

gh15 approved

[gh15]

EACH PERCENT 0F B0DY FAT IS 2 LBS. EXPLAIN T0 ME WHERE THE 20 LB DR0P W0ULD C0ME FR0M AFTER GETTING D0WN 1 PERCENT FR0M 6- 5?

2.5 to 3.5lb for 1% bodyfat ...around there

i will have to see clear pictures of back and front but clear in day light outside to tell yo how much you will be ,, with out pump so there is no inflamation ,, i estimate you will be 170lb at 5'11 dry 6%

gh15 approved

[gh15]

your not 180 at 6% naturally, but even if you were, youd have to drop 1-1.5% bodyfat to get on stage, and being a natural losing those last few lbs of fat will require losing muscle as well, so your looking at about 6-7 lbs of fat and muscle loss easily, if your truly 6%, add to that at least about 10lbs of water loss in order to get dry.. that puts you at about 165 on stage.  thats extremely impressve for a natural and you would look phenomenal on stage.

nah naturals go on stage 5-6 % usualy very close to 6% i rarely see naturals go on stage under 5.5 % uless asians but even they go 5.5% not 5%,, id say if he is 6% and only hold water and little fat its about 10lb of loss,, the question is if he is 6% and for that ill have to se few pictures not in special light can be a combo of special light and not whiel flexing,, i need to see side flexing i look for obliqes and piano keys and seratus they need to show through the skin even when hold water...

its really hard to say with him ,, i need more pictures,, if he is 6%! then 170 will be his stage weight as natural at 5'11 and it is natural number

gh15 approved

[calfzilla]

i already said it ,, TRENBOLONA ACE all day long ,, it is gold ,, it is bette than actualy holding gold in your hand

gh15 approved

Thank you mr. gh, I must have missed that. 

[asbrus]

hae you posted a picture of yourself? i find it hard to believe you are that lean at that body weight being a natural.  if you are, you could possibly be as heavy as 170 on stage. youd be suprised how much water you can lose though.

http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photos/s/asbrus

[asbrus]

nah naturals go on stage 5-6 % usualy very close to 6% i rarely see naturals go on stage under 5.5 % uless asians but even they go 5.5% not 5%,, id say if he is 6% and only hold water and little fat its about 10lb of loss,, the question is if he is 6% and for that ill have to se few pictures not in special light can be a combo of special light and not whiel flexing,, i need to see side flexing i look for obliqes and piano keys and seratus they need to show through the skin even when hold water...

its really hard to say with him ,, i need more pictures,, if he is 6%! then 170 will be his stage weight as natural at 5'11 and it is natural number

gh15 approved

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[gh15]

170lb on stage,, 6% mainly due to back and legs where you hold most fat ,, from front you will pill 5% over all 5.5 to 6% 170lb on stage if those pictures are 180

this is very similar to hormonized fellas condition and size wise... with somewhat less thickness,,but the numbers you say are natural,,so according to the numbers.... yes 170lb on stage around 5-6% ,,165-167lb before carb up flat

gh15 approved

[cephissus]

damn assbruise, looking good!

[whitewidow]

Even with the amount of hormones floating around in there bodies ? I've known Pro's and "former' pro's that use meth, speed , coke and anything they can get there hands on to get off there faces - go partying for days on end on meth yet still turn up to train then back out partying again - they dont visualy lose any size and there skin is like tissue paper so ultra lean - on the amount of hormones they are on they can get away with alot more.

I think the list I have is pretty accurate. I still doubt there are that many using cocaine or meth just the gay 4 pay bodybuilders they are more into the  party scene you would have to be on drugs to do what they do.

[whitewidow]

bad thign to use any of them ,, but even worse to use them and get no where in bodybuild...i feel very bad to the ones who used it and placed 16th in nationals,, or fellas who never done competitions and used it or fellas who went on stage and used it because they were boucing in clubs,,

this cult is build from bunch of fellons! this is the sad thing

gh15 approved

You cannot deny that list is accurate though! GHB and nubain are at the top. cocaine is used by very few on a day to day basis. the drugs I posted are. especially in your suppose era. you know how bad of a problem GHB and nubain were. I highly doubt jay messes with any cocaine either does heath. maybe kai greene does but not on a day to day basis. you cannot sleep on daily cocaine usage. Bodybuilders have trouble with insomnia usually from high doses of trenbolone and other AAS also fat burners will keep them up look at ronnie coleman the man would be up all night got m inimal sleep. but sleep is very important that is why they use these compounds. lethargy can be killed without using cocaine. hell everybody BB or not gets lethargic.

[20inch calves]

lets say you are ummmmmmmmmmm 170lb naturaly on stage 5'10...this is VERY VERY GOOD NATURAL!,,

you add aas...and you are sick in the head really like bodybuilding and do it all the time....

you will end up about 20-30lb bigger from aas only

that means you will compete 195lb 5'10 if only used anabolic steroids,, maybe 200lb if really in your early 200s...

those are the best case scenarios by the way ,, most average fellas only gain 15-20lb on a true natural ,, im talking LEAN LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE

now! when you add hgh to aas....then something happen....you sundenly can break the 200lb mark on stage

and when you add hgh and insulina....you finaly can be the mess you see today at 240 250 260 270etc...

a 220lb 5'10 fella on stage is always on hgh insulina and aas,, ALWAYS



that means! any bodybuild who you ever seen on stage at 5'10 220 lb was on all 3 ! and that means any bodybuild you saw 5'8 205-210lb on stage .....was on all 3 ! ,, and that means every  5'6 bodybuild who ever was 190-195lb on stage was on all 3! and the list go on and on and on

7lb per inch up or down

gh15 approved

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE WEIGHING 220 ON STAGE IS ON HGH? NOT EVEYONE CAN AFFORD IT FOR ONE. I HAD A BUDDY THAT DIETED DOWN WHO IS WAS 222 ON STAGE AT 6FT WHO USED NOTHING BUT FINA FOR THE LAST 6 WKS BEFORE THE SHOW..THATS IT. HE RAN OUT OF TEST. HE WAS IN GOOD SHAPE TO. HE USED CYNOMEL, EFEDERINE AND CAFFIENE

[asbrus]

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYONE WEIGHING 220 ON STAGE IS ON HGH? NOT EVEYONE CAN AFFORD IT FOR ONE. I HAD A BUDDY THAT DIETED DOWN WHO IS WAS 222 ON STAGE AT 6FT WHO USED NOTHING BUT FINA FOR THE LAST 6 WKS BEFORE THE SHOW..THATS IT. HE RAN OUT OF TEST. HE WAS IN GOOD SHAPE TO. HE USED CYNOMEL, EFEDERINE AND CAFFIENE

I THINK HE MEANT AT 5 10. IF Y0U'RE BUDDY IS 6 FEET THAT'S AN EXTRA TW0 INCHES ADDING 14 LBS 0F MUSCLE.

[whitewidow]

Gh15 is wrong about the cocaine usage especially if he is saying they use it day to day. maybe when they party once or twice a month. cocaine is horrible stuff. GHB and nubain and benzos such as valium have always been at the top of a daiily drug usi ng bodybuilder! Not cocaine or meth! thats just balonie meth makes you skinny and you lose muscle I dont crae if your juiced to the gills stay off the white dope! GHB and nubain, valium are the notorious drugs bodybuilders have trouble with. Now painkillers are becomming popular but still not like GHB or nubain or valium!

[20inch calves]

I THINK HE MEANT AT 5 10. IF Y0U'RE BUDDY IS 6 FEET THAT'S AN EXTRA TW0 INCHES ADDING 14 LBS 0F MUSCLE.

EVEN AT THAT ALL HE WAS USING WAS FINA..COW PELLETS AT THAT. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT HE COULD BE IN THE LOW TO MIE 230S WITHOUT GH IF HE DIETED ON A GOOD CYCLE BECAUSE HIS DIET IS SPOT ON

[20inch calves]

Gh15 is wrong about the cocaine usage especially if he is saying they use it day to day. maybe when they party once or twice a month. cocaine is horrible stuff. GHB and nubain and benzos such as valium have always been at the top of a daiily drug usi ng bodybuilder! Not cocaine or meth! thats just balonie meth makes you skinny and you lose muscle I dont crae if your juiced to the gills stay off the whie dope! GHB and nubain, valium are the notorious drugs bodybuilders have trouble with. Now painkillers are becomming popular but still not like GHB or nubain or valium!

I AGREE. IF YOU USE METH, COKE ECT. YOU WILL GET SMALL QUICK