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US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
Tuesday, 23 Aug 2011

WASHINGTON (AP) — No one can be sure who controls the Libyan government's weapons stockpiles, a stew of deadly chemicals, raw nuclear material and some 30,000 shoulder-fired rockets that officials fear could fall into terrorists' hands in the chaos of Moammar Gadhafi's downfall or afterward.

One immediate worry, U.S. intelligence and military officials say, is that Gadhafi might use the weapons to make a last stand. But officials also face the troubling prospect that the material, which was left under Gadhafi's control by a U.S.-backed disarmament pact, could be obtained by al-Qaida or other militants even after a rebel victory is secured.

The main stockpile of mustard gas and other chemicals, stored in corroding drums, is at a site southeast of Tripoli. Mustard gas can cause severe blistering and death. A cache of hundreds of tons of raw uranium yellowcake is stored at a small nuclear facility east of the capital.

Weapons demolition teams hired by the State Department have located and destroyed some of the anti-aircraft rocket systems in rebel-held parts of the country.

U.S. and allied officials say chemical and nuclear stockpiles appear to be still under the control of what's left of the Libyan government despite rebel military advances into the capital. That may or may not be reassuring. It depends on whether Gadhafi loyalists, increasingly desperate, adhere to international agreements not to use or move the material.

The State Department has also sent experts to Libya to confer with rebel leaders and Libya's neighbors about abiding by those same compacts and beefing up border security to prevent weapons from being smuggled out.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Tuesday the U.S. is working to ensure that "the governing forces in Libya have full command and control of any WMD or any security assets that the state might have had." Jamie F. Mannina, spokesman for the State Department's Bureau of Arms Control, Verification and Compliance, said Libya's known chemical weapons storage facilities have been monitored since the start of the civil war.

Still, many U.S. officials question whether NATO has enough people on the ground to make sure the material remains secure if Libyan security forces flee their posts. NATO's decision to limit its participation in the conflict has kept the coalition's investment in blood and treasure to a minimum. But that has not helped the cause of nonproliferation.

With the battle for the capital Tripoli still unfolding, military advisers from Britain, France, Italy and Qatar are feeding intelligence to the rebels and NATO bombers on the whereabouts of the enemy. That has left U.S. intelligence relying primarily on military drone, satellite and spy plane reports to track Gadhafi's arsenal.

"No one seems clear" how many of the estimated 30,000 anti-aircraft rockets, and other stockpiles still remain after six months of pounding by air strikes, according to a U.S. official who has been following the Libyan events. Officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters of intelligence.

As for chemical agents, said British Embassy spokesman Hetty Crist, officials are concerned about the security of some 11 metric tons of mustard gas.

Crist said the Libyan stocks are "under guard in secure and remote locations" at the moment and cannot be used easily for warfare because they are not weaponized.

Despite dismantling much of his nuclear program after making a deal with the Bush administration, Gadhafi has enough weaponry — if he can still reach it — to try to sell to militants.

"There are still going to be a lot of Gadhafi loyalists who could hijack the weapons supplies and use them for an insurgency like Iraq," said Democratic Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger of Maryland, a member of the House Intelligence Committee.

And if the material goes unguarded, it could be seized by al-Qaida militant sympathizers, he said in an interview Tuesday. "A single rocket can do damage," he said, recalling the downing of a Chinook helicopter Aug. 5 in Afghanistan from a rocket-propelled grenade fired by the Taliban, killing all 38 troops on board.

The State Department has spent $3 million on two international weapons abatement teams charged with finding and destroying the antiaircraft systems along with other lethal munitions and landmines.

The teams have demolished some of the shoulder-launched antiaircraft missile systems called MANPADS, including nearly 30 Russian SA-7 launchers, according to Alexander Griffiths, director of operations for the Swiss Foundation for Mine Action, one of the abatement groups.

But the teams are only scouring rebel-held battle sites and arms depots, and are not sent into combat hot zones.

Libya possesses a variety of leftover, aging weapons of mass destruction. Libya agreed to halt its WMD programs in 2003, under economic pressure from U.S. and Western embargoes. Gadhafi surrendered the hardware for his nuclear program and let the U.S. remove about 11.5 pounds of weapons-grade uranium from a nuclear research reactor near Tripoli in 2009.

But there are still some 500 to 900 metric tons of raw uranium yellowcake stored in drums at Libya's lone nuclear reactor at Rabta, east of Tripoli. The supply is less of a worry for U.S. officials because it requires heavy industrial refining and enrichment before it could be used as an explosive. But it could be sold for a large profit to those more capable of building a nuclear weapon.

Gadhafi also had extensive chemical weapons, which his forces used against Libya's southern neighbor, Chad, in 1987.

After 2003, Tripoli closed its chemical weapons research and production facilities and destroyed 3,500 unfilled chemical shells used to deliver them on the battlefield.

But the scheduled destruction of some 23 tons of mustard gas didn't start until last year and was only halfway finished when the system used in the destruction broke, said Paul Walker of the environmental group Global Green, which closely monitors chemical weapons.

The remaining mustard agent is stored inside a domed concrete bunker a few hundred miles south of Tripoli, according to a U.S. official, who insisted on anonymity to speak about the WMD threat in Libya. The facility also had contained more than 1,300 tons of "precursor" chemicals that could be combined to make toxic agents, the official said.

The most pressing matter is to make sure the mustard gas does not end up on the black market or with terrorists, the official said. Stored in canisters that showed signs of corrosion during a 2006 visit by American officials, the chemicals could be easily moved.

Walker said he has heard no evidence that anyone has tried to divert the chemicals. "Any major action such as trucks pulling up, or major troop movements, that would be known pretty quickly," he said, "and action such as a NATO airstrike could be taken fairly quickly."

There is no indication that Libya has sarin, soman or other dispersible nerve agents that can cause death on contact. And Gadhafi's efforts to build a biological weapons program did not get far, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative, a nonproliferation group.

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Associated Press writers Stephen Braun, Matthew Lee and Lolita C. Baldor contributed to this report.


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/US-Libya-Weapons/2011/08/23/id/408397

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2011, 06:40:23 PM »
Horror of 150 bodies found on a farm after been massacred by pro-Gaddafi forces
By DAMIEN GAYLE and BARBARA JONES
Last updated at 11:31 PM on 27th August 2011

The bodies of up to 150 Libyan civilians were found yesterday near Tripoli after allegedly being massacred by pro-Gaddafi forces.

Journalists said they counted as many as 53 executed bodies in a burnt-out farm warehouse near the Khamis military base where the murders are thought to have taken place last Tuesday and Wednesday.

The bodies of two soldiers were found with their hands tied behind their backs. Locals believe they refused to fire on the people being held inside the warehouse, and were then murdered.

Onward: The Libyan rebels are now marching on to Sirte, where they believe Gaddafi is hiding - despite claims from Robert Mugabe that he is in Zimbabwe

Elsewhere, rebels massing outside Gaddafi’s last bastion of power, his home town of Sirte, say they hope they can take it with little bloodshed.

Many believe the deposed leader may be hiding with his family in a bunker in the town.

Rebel leaders said Sirte residents were being ‘virtually held hostage’ by troops ‘brainwashed’ by Gaddafi over the years, but wanted to join the revolution.

‘They know it is all over for Gaddafi,’ said Ahmed Jebril, special adviser to Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the head of Libya’s government-in-waiting, the National Transitional Council.
 
‘We hope that our fighters will once again drive into a Gaddafi stronghold and be greeted warmly by its people.

‘This happened in Tripoli where we feared much blood. We pray it can happen in  Sirte too.’

A more sinister worry for the NTC is Gaddafi’s huge weapons store in the desert city of Waddan, 125 miles south of Sirte. The site is remote and guarded by hardcore Gaddafi loyalists.

‘Our fighters are moving there now,’ said Mr Jebril. ‘There are fears of a chemical stockpile by Gaddafi. We cannot be sure if that is true.’

However, some have said that Gaddafi has fled Libya to Zimbabwe on a jet provided by Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, it was claimed today, as rebels began the march on his home town.

President Mugabe's political opponents claim their spies saw Gaddafi arrive in the country on a Zimbabwe Air Force jet in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

They say the Libyan dictator was taken to a mansion in Harare's Gunninghill suburb, where agents from his all-female bodyguard were apparently seen patrolling the grounds.

'There's no doubt that Gaddafi is here as a 'unique guest' of Mugabe,' a spokesman for Zimbabwe's opposition Movement for Democratic Change told the Sun.

If he has left Libya, Gaddafi could have fled from an airbase in his home town of Sirte, which has been bombarded by Nato warplanes in recent days.

The colonel's bunker in the coastal town was blitzed by cruise missiles fired by British Tornado jets on a long-range sortie last night.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2030782/Libya-Horror-150-bodies-farm-thought-massacred-pro-Gaddafi-forces.html

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2011, 06:46:56 PM »
This is going to turn into a 3 way civil war if we are lucky.

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2011, 07:48:40 PM »
Well then is justification for us to invade just like we did with Iraq !








Meanwhile Obama has sent an email to the banks to ask permission. 

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2011, 11:43:57 PM »
This is going to turn into a 3 way civil war if we are lucky.

i had a theory that obama was just fine with a shitload of libyans killing each other for 6 months.

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 02:47:47 AM »
WMD.... :o

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2011, 04:33:49 AM »
WikiLeaks: Guantanamo detainee is now Libyan rebel leader (Obama just gave Libya to Al Qaeda)
the telegraph ^ | 4/26/2011 | Holly Watt
Posted on August 27, 2011 8:09:11 AM EDT by tobyhill

In a newly disclosed file by WikiLeaks that was written in 2005, Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed Hamuda Bin Qumu was identified as a “probable member of Al Qaida and a member of the African Extremist Network”.

The revelation will raise concerns about the range of factions fighting Gadaffi in Libya, some of whom have been associated with Al Qaeda.

Qumu was previously a member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, but allegedly left the proscribed group in 1998 to join the Taliban.

In the report, US investigators classified Qumu as a “medium to high” risk because he was “likely to pose a threat to the US, its interests and allies”.

Qumu was imprisoned in Libya for ten years for alleged “murder, physical assault, armed assault and distributing narcotics”, but escaped in 1993 and fled to Afghanistan.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 04:59:48 AM »
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Escobar: Al-Qaeda asset is military commander of Tripoli
http://rt.com/usa/news/al-qaeda-libya-commander-escobar-269/ ^
Posted on August 28, 2011 3:28:12 AM EDT by kronos77

Speaking to RT today live from Brazil, Asia Times correspondent Pepe Escobar said that an al-Qaeda asset is now leading the military of rebel-controlled Libya.

According to Escobar, Abdelhakim Belhadj, who commanded a military offensive in Libya over the weekend, has become the de facto commander of the Tripoli armed forces. Belhadj has also, says Escobar, was trained in Afghanistan by a “very hardcore Islamist Libyan group.”

Escobar says that Taliban-linked sources overseas have confirmed Belhadj as the new commander. In the aftermath of 9/11, the CIA began tracking Belhadj, who was eventually captured in Malaysia in 2003. Escobar says that he was then tortured in Bangkok before being transferred back to Libya and imprisoned. He made a deal that allowed for his release in 2009 and as of this week is the military commander of Tripoli.

“I can say almost for sure with 95 percent certainty that this is the guy,” Escobar confirms.

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2011, 05:54:03 AM »
Well then is justification for us to invade just like we did with Iraq

  This is what came to mind for me too.

  I didn't fall for Saddamy having WMD's back then, and I'm not falling for it now.

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2011, 06:46:25 AM »
  This is what came to mind for me too.

  I didn't fall for Saddamy having WMD's back then, and I'm not falling for it now.

I agree

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2011, 07:10:00 AM »
So what was accomplished in this mess? People can pretend NATO was in charge of this, but I think we all know better than that. Known AQ elements in high positions in the rebel force, not good. Now AQ is going to have access to what ever arsenal Kadhaffi has stockpiled, also not good.

So now what more boots on the ground ( don't anyone tell that at the very least SF isn't already there)? At some point the POTUS has to get approval from congress, this shit can't go on.
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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2011, 07:27:00 AM »
So they cooked up a story to drop the military into another meatgrinder,  typical war propaganda from our lying government
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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2011, 07:32:07 AM »
So they cooked up a story to drop the military into another meatgrinder,  typical war propaganda from our lying government

Kadhaffi is a bad guy, we all know that, but that is not justification for this mess. There have been ample opportunities over the last 30 years to apprehend/kill him, why now? Who imaginary line in the sand did he finally cross? Something stinks
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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2011, 07:58:04 AM »
Kadhaffi is a bad guy, we all know that, but that is not justification for this mess. There have been ample opportunities over the last 30 years to apprehend/kill him, why now? Who imaginary line in the sand did he finally cross? Something stinks

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2011, 09:02:37 AM »
we're not talking about the economy, we're talking about winning the war. 

works for obama.  does he want the 2012 debates to be the terrorists he's killed, or the economy he's sunk?  kill a few more bad guys and that's what we're talking about.

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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2011, 10:13:39 AM »
we're not talking about the economy, we're talking about winning the war. 

works for obama.  does he want the 2012 debates to be the terrorists he's killed, or the economy he's sunk?  kill a few more bad guys and that's what we're talking about.

What War did we win, last i heard this was kinetic military action to enforce a no fly zone to protect civilians blah blah blah.

Whats he going to do brag about? The illegal military action he orchestrated to put know AQ elements in charge in Libya? Yeah that should go over like a fart in an elevator.
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Re: US Fears Gadhafi Could Unleash Chemical, Nuclear WMD on Rebels, NATO
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2011, 10:20:24 AM »
Leading from behind the obama way: 

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When things go well - take all credit.