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Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« on: August 25, 2011, 04:36:55 PM »
Obama and the 'Competency Crisis'
Like many Americans who supported him, I long for a triple-A president to run a triple-A country.

By MORTIMER ZUCKERMAN

The rising impatience with the leadership of President Obama was epitomized on Aug. 8 in the middle of one of the now-habitual Wall Street roller coasters. His speech on the economy was 53 minutes late. What showed on TV screens was an empty White House podium, an image suggestive of the absence of leadership. When the president did speak, the best he could come up with was "We've always been and always will be a triple-A country." The market's response was a Bronx cheer, a drop of another 300 points.

Mr. Obama seems unable to get a firm grip on the toughest issue facing his presidency and the country—the economy. He now asserts he is going to "pivot" to jobs. Now we pivot to jobs? When there are already 25 million Americans who are either unemployed or cannot find full-time work? Does this president not appreciate what is going on?

Fewer Americans are working full-time today than when Mr. Obama took office. We have lost over 900,000 full-time jobs in the last four months alone, and long-term unemployment is at a post-World War II high. The public's faith in his ability to deal with the economy has plunged. As Doyle McManus of the L.A. Times put it, "Can this president persuade voters to let him keep his job when so many have lost theirs?" Even Jimmy Carter didn't plumb the depths of national dissatisfaction revealed in the stunning Gallup poll taken Aug. 11-13. The president's approval rating was only 39% with a mere 26% approving of his handling of the economy.

Meanwhile, everyone in the business world is pleading for some kind of adult supervision to build a national platform for sustained growth that includes a long-term fiscal plan that addresses our ballooning debt. They are desperate for strong leadership and feel that all we are getting out of Washington is a lot of noise as Democrats and Republicans blame one another.

Since the president is the one who represents all of America and all Americans, the buck stops with him rather than with the Congress. It is the president's job to offer a coherent program for the twin threats of a static economy and an unsustainable explosion of our debts and deficits. But the only core issue on which he took a clear position in the recent debt-ceiling negotiations was that it would have to include new taxes on the wealthy—and he didn't even hold to that.

He made the politically tested and calculated statement that if you raise taxes on billionaires and millionaires you could solve the problem. This is not so. Even for those who support higher taxes on the wealthy, as I do, we must remember that we have an income tax system in which fully half the "taxpayers" pay no tax at all, and in which the variety of loopholes cries out for a real reform of the tax code. Even if the government instituted a 100% tax on both corporate profits and personal incomes above $250,000 per year, it would yield enough revenue to run the government for only six months. Why? Because under Mr. Obama's presidency, government spending has swelled to 24% of GDP from 18%.

We need real reform of the tax code in which everyone is asked to make some contribution, however small. Hardly anyone on either side of the aisle has a good word to say for the present hodgepodge of selective punishment of the middle class—replete with exceptions, loopholes, and special allowances. Worse, there are no serious proposals being canvassed among the White House, the Congress and the Treasury.

Erskine Bowles, co-chair of the bipartisan Simpson-Bowles commission appointed by the president in 2010 to devise a plan for dealing with the fiscal crisis, put it well: "It is one that is completely predictable and from which there is no escape." The president said he would stand by his commission, but as of today he's remained silent on its many proposals, seemingly unable to speak honestly on the subject.

Everyone recognizes that as populations age, the ratio of worker-to-retiree dependency plummets. Remember that the first baby boomers statistically retired on Jan. 1 of this year. There are now 79 million more of them to be supported in their retirement and with their medical requirements. This has obvious implications for our debts and deficits. How are we to meet this obligation in the face of long-term deficits that stem from approximately $60 trillion of unfunded entitlement liabilities?

It is no surprise that many have begun to doubt the president's leadership qualities. J.P. Morgan calls it the "competency crisis." The president is not seen fighting for his own concrete goals, nor finding the right allies, especially leaders of business big or small. Instead, his latent hostility to the business community has provoked a mutual response of disrespect. This is lamentable given the unique role that small business especially plays in creating jobs.

The president appears to consider himself immune from error and asserts the fault always lies elsewhere—be it in the opposition in Congress or the Japanese tsunami or in the failure of his audience to fully understand the wisdom and benefits of his proposals. But in politics, the failure of communication is invariably the fault of the communicator.

Many voters who supported him are no longer elated by the historic novelty of his candidacy and presidency. They hoped for a president who would be effective. Remember "Yes We Can"? Now many of his sharpest critics are his former supporters. Witness Bill Broyles, a one-time admirer who recently wrote in Newsweek that "Americans aren't inspired by well-meaning weakness." The president who first inspired with great speeches on red and blue America now seems to lack the ability to communicate any sense of resolve for a program, or any realization of the urgency of what might befall us. The teleprompter he almost always uses symbolizes and compounds his emotional distance from his audience.

We lack a coherent and muscular economic strategy, as Mr. Obama and his staff seem almost completely focused on his re-election. He should be spending most of his time on the nitty-gritty of the job instead of on fund raisers, bus tours and visits to diners, which essentially are in service of his political interests. Increasingly his solutions seem to boil down to Vote for Me.

Clearly the president will have to raise his game to win a second term, especially if the Republicans find a real candidate. Will voters be willing to give him another four years? Like many Americans who supported him, I long for a triple-A president to run a triple-A country.

Mr. Zuckerman is chairman and editor in chief of U.S. News & World Report. He will discuss this story Thursday at 5 p.m. ET on WSJ.com.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903327904576526611297517664.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop


Of course, when all is said and done he'll still vote for President Downgrade in 2012 but there are some stunning truths in this article.

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 05:02:02 PM »
I dont get it. If he realizes that taxing the wealthy will get you almost no revenue, why does he want to do it? Makes no sense.
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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2011, 05:03:13 PM »
I dont get it. If he realizes that taxing the wealthy will get you almost no revenue, why does he want to do it? Makes no sense.

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2011, 05:48:45 PM »
Funny how I knew what a complete fiasco obama would be yet these billionaires are only now waking up.

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2011, 06:06:00 PM »
get rid of the Bush tax cuts and everyones tax rate goes up (how many times have I said this now)

also get rid of all tax loopholes and get rid of tax credits for industries that have said they don't need them

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2011, 06:08:44 PM »
And?  With a horrible economy what do you think that will do?  Its like scrounging the seat cushions for extra dimes when you are nine months behind in the mortgage.

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2011, 06:18:37 PM »
And?  With a horrible economy what do you think that will do?  Its like scrounging the seat cushions for extra dimes when you are nine months behind in the mortgage.

Very neat analogy. ;D
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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2011, 06:21:44 PM »
get rid of the Bush tax cuts and everyones tax rate goes up (how many times have I said this now)

also get rid of all tax loopholes and get rid of tax credits for industries that have said they don't need them


Why? I fail to see your logic, DC is addicted to spending, so just give them more to spend? They won't use any new revenue to pay down the debt, they will just come up with some other half assed entitlement to spend it on. Then what? You want this fixed, force the federal government to only spend what they are constitutionally allowed to, problem solved
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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2011, 06:32:05 PM »
Why? I fail to see your logic, DC is addicted to spending, so just give them more to spend? They won't use any new revenue to pay down the debt, they will just come up with some other half assed entitlement to spend it on. Then what? You want this fixed, force the federal government to only spend what they are constitutionally allowed to, problem solved

Bush tax cuts added 1.8 trillion to the deficit but that was probably because Bush went on a spending spree while cutting revenue (funny how cutting taxes results in loss of revenue but somehow raising taxes supposedly doesn't raise revenue)

but if you don't want to raise taxes on everyone (as the author of the article also wants to do) then stop all wars today, stop tax credits and corporate welfare, stop farm subsidies, close all loopholes that incentivize companies to manufacture over seas using quasi slave labor and for that matter repeal NAFTA.

If we're only going to look at one side of the equation then let's get serious

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2011, 06:38:27 PM »
Obama and the 'Competency Crisis'


He made the politically tested and calculated statement that if you raise taxes on billionaires and millionaires you could solve the problem. This is not so. Even for those who support higher taxes on the wealthy, as I do, we must remember that we have an income tax system in which fully half the "taxpayers" pay no tax at all, and in which the variety of loopholes cries out for a real reform of the tax code. Even if the government instituted a 100% tax on both corporate profits and personal incomes above $250,000 per year, it would yield enough revenue to run the government for only six months. Why? Because under Mr. Obama's presidency, government spending has swelled to 24% of GDP from 18%.


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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2011, 06:38:57 PM »
Why? I fail to see your logic, DC is addicted to spending, so just give them more to spend? They won't use any new revenue to pay down the debt, they will just come up with some other half assed entitlement to spend it on. Then what? You want this fixed, force the federal government to only spend what they are constitutionally allowed to, problem solved

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2011, 06:44:16 PM »
Bush tax cuts added 1.8 trillion to the deficit but that was probably because Bush went on a spending spree while cutting revenue (funny how cutting taxes results in loss of revenue but somehow raising taxes supposedly doesn't raise revenue)

but if you don't want to raise taxes on everyone (as the author of the article also wants to do) then stop all wars today, stop tax credits and corporate welfare, stop farm subsidies, close all loopholes that incentivize companies to manufacture over seas using quasi slave labor and for that matter repeal NAFTA.

If we're only going to look at one side of the equation then let's get serious

Cutting taxes doesn't add one red cent to the deficit, government spending does. The premise of cutting taxes is that business will hire and there will be more people paying in, thus more revenue. Raising taxes on the other hand, takes away the incentive to hire and in most cases leads to higher prices and down sizing. Decreasing the pool of people paying in.

Like I said the federal government spends on what it is constitutionally mandated to and the problem is solved. The problem is SS, medicare...... all go away.
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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2011, 06:55:51 PM »
   
 
Source: Raw Story

Richard Trumka, president of union giant AFL-CIO, delivered a scathing review of President Barack Obama at a press breakfast Thursday morning. He accused him of abandoning Democratic ideals and aligning himself with the conservative tea party.

"This is a moment that working people and quite frankly history will judge President Obama on his presidency; will he commit all his energy and focus on bold solutions on the job crisis or will he continue to work with the Tea Party to offer cuts to middle class programs like Social Security all the while pretending the deficit is where our economic problems really lie," Trumka said, Talking Points Memo's Brian Beutler reported.

Trumka sits on the president's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, which "was created to provide non-partisan advice to the president on continuing to strengthen the nation's economy and ensure the competitiveness of the United States," according to its website.

Trimpka told reporters that he had all but given up hope of the panel achieving any results.



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/25/afl-cio-president... /





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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2011, 07:03:41 PM »
Cutting taxes doesn't add one red cent to the deficit, government spending does. The premise of cutting taxes is that business will hire and there will be more people paying in, thus more revenue. Raising taxes on the other hand, takes away the incentive to hire and in most cases leads to higher prices and down sizing. Decreasing the pool of people paying in.

Like I said the federal government spends on what it is constitutionally mandated to and the problem is solved. The problem is SS, medicare...... all go away.

and neither one happens by itself

I have a simple question

should a government ever ask "how can we raise more revenue"?

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2011, 07:05:43 PM »
yes!   Why not all off unused land?   Sell off unused office space?   Allow new drilling and rake in the $$$$ off the profit, etc etc.

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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2011, 07:08:56 PM »
yes!   Why not all off unused land?   Sell off unused office space?   Allow new drilling and rake in the $$$$ off the profit, etc etc.

so selling assets to raise revenue is OK

anything else ?

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2011, 07:16:39 PM »
Yes - the federal govt controls way too much land that can be sold off.

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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 07:32:02 PM »
and neither one happens by itself

I have a simple question

should a government ever ask "how can we raise more revenue"?

You have a finite work force, the government should know this, they take a census don't they? Shit how hard can it be to project how much money they are going to take in? Government planning is no more than 8 years at a time, a POTUS term. When SS first came along how long did people live? Not nearly as long as they do now, so now we have people on SS for decades instead of a couple years. Its a ponzie scheme predicated on the next generation of workers being able to pay enough money into SS to keep paying those collecting. People are in jail for shit like this, but I guess it's OK if the government does it. Every time the government creates another entitlement that creates another bureaucracy that wastes more money. The HMO act of 1973, look how that cluster fuck turned out. Government intervention for our own good ::)
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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 07:38:53 PM »
You have a finite work force, the government should know this, they take a census don't they? Shit how hard can it be to project how much money they are going to take in? Government planning is no more than 8 years at a time, a POTUS term. When SS first came along how long did people live? Not nearly as long as they do now, so now we have people on SS for decades instead of a couple years. Its a ponzie scheme predicated on the next generation of workers being able to pay enough money into SS to keep paying those collecting. People are in jail for shit like this, but I guess it's OK if the government does it. Every time the government creates another entitlement that creates another bureaucracy that wastes more money. The HMO act of 1973, look how that cluster fuck turned out. Government intervention for our own good ::)

The govt. takes in over $2 TRILLION a year in tax revenue. Can anyone say with a straight face that they should take in more? We clearly have a spending problem and all the far-left crying in the world isn't going to change that.

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 07:49:15 PM »
Again, we spend way too much, and said spending is a depressant, not a stimulant to the economy.
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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 08:05:09 PM »
Yes - the federal govt controls way too much land that can be sold off.

you're aware that assets are land, leases, mineral rights, etc..

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 08:07:39 PM »
you're aware that assets are land, leases, mineral rights, etc..

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yes.   Sell thm off.  Pay off the debt.

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Re: Another liberal hack lays into President Downgrade
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2011, 08:43:59 PM »
yes.   Sell thm off.  Pay off the debt.

ok

other than a garage sale should a government ever look at anything else on the revenue side of the equation (other than to lower it of course) ?