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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 04:46:39 PM »
george w bush showed us it works great!  Please, trickle down economics doesn't exist, it is a made up fallacy that rich Americans promote to uneducated poor people that do not know any better, the rich are just lining their pockets and the poor get just not smart enough to see it.  

To top it all off these republicans call themselves Christians  ;D
the difference is that conservatives dont want to be told what to do.

look at who donates more the charity, but who wants to take money away to help the "less fortunate"?

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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 04:47:10 PM »
Lets give money to crack heads who never worked - yeah that will work!  

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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2011, 04:47:59 PM »
when we have so many poor in this country and a growing population of poor, a business cannot create demand like you say, no one can afford their product duh.  How many new companies and small businesses do you see popping up and staying alive now days?

People just don't have the money to spend on these products.
LMFAO apple and the overpriced cars in this country disagree with you ;)

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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2011, 04:48:36 PM »
yes funnel the money to the top, reduce workers wages and benefits, that type of greed, and it isn't going anywhere until gov't steps in and slaps these fools silly.
how about you just go get a job where you feel youre getting a decent wage?


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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2011, 04:52:42 PM »
The problem with this is that as demand increases for goods, and the corporations are paying higher taxes, they have less resources to create jobs in which to fill the demand, which will result in higher prices, and we are right back at square one.  Purchasing power remains unchanged.
no, your logic is flawed.  first, i didnt call for higher taxes on the rich. i said decreasing taxes on the poor helps the economy more so than decreasing taxes on the rich.  in that scenario, decreasing taxes for the poor,  we increase demand without changing the amount of resources available to business.   but, yes, prices would rise. they always do when demand rises.  :)

but see, here is where your logic fails, eocnomic adjustments are only fractional.  prices dont rise to the point where they offset increases in demand, they only rise to the point at which the new demand will make production the most proftable.  so even if taxes were raised on the rich, if demand was to increase at the same time(decreased taxes on the poor), production would still increase to match demand and thus jobs would be created.  ;)


LOL very simple minded approach here, businesses create demand as well...they dont just respond to it.

the govt is simply going to give that money back out isnt it? thats the point the left makes about taxation.

To help limit debt and spur the economy?

well if thats the case then lets see it happen with everyone. Not just the ppl that make a certain amount or higher.

Everybody needs to have skin in the game.

business can create demand, sure. but they only do so when the demand for their products increase. see, the end game is the consumer demand.

the poor already pay taxes. there is truth in some of the conservative talking points. taxes are dead weight on the economy. they disincentive.   when you tax poor people they work less and they spend less. double whammy.

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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2011, 04:58:03 PM »
basically  :-*


demand creates jobs

tax cuts can incentivize business but business will always produce at the level correspondent with demand.

business are greedy fucks and they do not let profits 'trickle down'.



who do you think is the greediest business of them all?
whatever your answer is, you can buy a stock of that company and share in the profits.

i think the greediest business of all is the government; sadly there's zero demand for them.
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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2011, 05:00:13 PM »
business can create demand, sure. but they only do so when the demand for their products increase. see, the end game is the consumer demand.

the poor already pay taxes. there is truth in some of the conservative talking points. taxes are dead weight on the economy. they disincentive.   when you tax poor people they work less and they spend less. double whammy.
business create demand for their own products was my point...they do this by...SPENDING!!!!

yes they do pay taxes so does everyone else the difference is that they get their INCOME TAX back at the end of the year...

we arent talking about other taxes b/c EVERYONE PAYS THOSE ::)

were talking about income tax here hoss, keep up

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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2011, 05:31:08 PM »
no, your logic is flawed.  first, i didnt call for higher taxes on the rich. i said decreasing taxes on the poor helps the economy more so than decreasing taxes on the rich.  in that scenario, decreasing taxes for the poor,  we increase demand without changing the amount of resources available to business.   but, yes, prices would rise. they always do when demand rises.  :)

but see, here is where your logic fails, eocnomic adjustments are only fractional.  prices dont rise to the point where they offset increases in demand, they only rise to the point at which the new demand will make production the most proftable.  so even if taxes were raised on the rich, if demand was to increase at the same time(decreased taxes on the poor), production would still increase to match demand and thus jobs would be created.  ;)

business can create demand, sure. but they only do so when the demand for their products increase. see, the end game is the consumer demand.

the poor already pay taxes. there is truth in some of the conservative talking points. taxes are dead weight on the economy. they disincentive.   when you tax poor people they work less and they spend less. double whammy.

I don't know where you studied econ, but if demand increases then production will increase only to the extent of a firm's capacity.  If firms are taxed heavier, their capacity to increase production will be less, which will result in a vertical demand curve shift, rather than horizontal. Thus prices will rise and supply will remain fixed.  In the case of overcapacity, the demand curve would see a vertical and rightward shift, which would increase prices and supply, but only to the extent of the overcapacity, which would still result in higher prices for fewer goods and thus decreased purchasing power.
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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2011, 05:36:48 PM »
Quick observation about billionairs, mainly warren buffet. If hes all for raising taxes on the rich then why birkshire hathaway and his other companies are ALWAYS in discrepancy with the IRS with what they are required to pay....and I'm not talking paying less. They owe back taxes since 2001 to present. Benny, post in threads you know about....like burger flipping.

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2011, 05:38:49 PM »
Quick observation about billionairs, mainly warren buffet. If hes all for raising taxes on the rich then why birkshire hathaway and his other companies are ALWAYS in discrepancy with the IRS with what they are required to pay....and I'm not talking paying less. They owe back taxes since 2001 to present. Benny, post in threads you know about....like burger flipping.
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2011, 05:51:23 PM »
Not even close....this is a fact.

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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2011, 06:13:20 PM »
Not even close< MY GRIP ON POLITICAL-ECONOMICAL REALITY>this is a fact.

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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2011, 06:41:26 PM »
I'm not nearly as bothered by a hit piece news article about a wealthy individual with an alleged 15% tax rate partying than I am bothered by a First "Lady" that spends taxpayers money like she's royalty and it's owed to her.So Generation Entitlement has finally found their Queen.

But there will be no lamestream news coverage, because that would be "racist" and it's Bush's fault anyway. 
More Lib stupidity and greed on display.

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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2011, 07:06:56 PM »
Benny you're a jack ass. You don't even realize you are hurting your cause posting all this bs.  More and more people aren't being fooled with this simple nonsense.

Obama  just announced that he offered federal financial aid to the state of NY prior to the hurricane hitting.  There was no aid announced for New Jersey.  Why?  NY has a democrat for governor and NJ has a Republican Chris Christie.  This kind of stuff will guarantee he will lose the next election.

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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2011, 07:13:55 PM »
fuck this shit

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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2011, 07:14:44 PM »
Benny you're a jack ass. You don't even realize you are hurting your cause posting all this bs.  More and more people aren't being fooled with this simple nonsense.

Obama  just announced that he offered federal financial aid to the state of NY prior to the hurricane hitting.  There was no aid announced for New Jersey.  Why?  NY has a democrat for governor and NJ has a Republican Chris Christie.  This kind of stuff will guarantee he will lose the next election.

lol ok.  Obama will destroy them.  Chris Christie only has to cut back on his daily food intake to take care off all the damage that will be done, problem solved :)

Again rich republicans come out in droves when taxes are brought up, how dare they try and tax our millions and hundreds of thousands we make while we kick back at our nice luxury leather seats and shout orders, don't help feed the poor let them die!  What great people !!  ::)

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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2011, 07:18:07 PM »
reppingfor20 clearly has a remedial job that doesn't pay well, so hes hating on the people who make the $$

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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2011, 07:26:28 PM »
Lets give money to crack heads who never worked - yeah that will work!  

NO kidding! Did you know 50% of the folks in this country don't even pay taxes!!?? :o

Sad part is Dr. Chimps & Che both want to foot their bill.  :o

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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2011, 07:29:29 PM »
lol ok.  Obama will destroy them.  Chris Christie only has to cut back on his daily food intake to take care off all the damage that will be done, problem solved :)

Again rich republicans come out in droves when taxes are brought up, how dare they try and tax our millions and hundreds of thousands we make while we kick back at our nice luxury leather seats and shout orders, don't help feed the poor let them die!  What great people !!  ::)



You just don't get it, the government taxes income not wealth. There is a big difference, sure Buffet can rail about income tax, because he knows it has no effect on him.
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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2011, 07:33:38 PM »
business create demand for their own products was my point...they do this by...SPENDING!!!!

yes they do pay taxes so does everyone else the difference is that they get their INCOME TAX back at the end of the year...

we arent talking about other taxes b/c EVERYONE PAYS THOSE ::)

were talking about income tax here hoss, keep up
 ::) dont talk down to me when your post has nothing of value or accuracy in it. the only time a business creaes demand is when its purachasing the goos and services necessary to produce its product. they do not create demand for their own products. thats gotta be the stupidest thing ive ever head. a business only creates demand when demand for its product goes up, and that only happens when consumers buy more of it. when consumers buy more products, business buy more raw goods and sevies to produce its product. consumer demand drives all demand and th entire economy. business does not have a direct role in creating demand and since demand is what creates jobs = business has no direct role in creating jobs either. learn some basic economics you fucktard and stop listenig to douchebag conservatives who dont know jack shit but what their super-pac-funded-by-big-business having politicians tell them


edit: i made this post without thinking about advertisings effect on demand, but im damn certain that is not what you were refering to.  marketing has a very very small effect on aggregate demand anyways.

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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2011, 07:35:58 PM »
tbombz legit poster on political and economic issues as well as Benny always great to see the truth posted up on the g and o.
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« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2011, 07:37:28 PM »
I don't know where you studied econ, but if demand increases then production will increase only to the extent of a firm's capacity.  If firms are taxed heavier, their capacity to increase production will be less, which will result in a vertical demand curve shift, rather than horizontal. Thus prices will rise and supply will remain fixed.  In the case of overcapacity, the demand curve would see a vertical and rightward shift, which would increase prices and supply, but only to the extent of the overcapacity, which would still result in higher prices for fewer goods and thus decreased purchasing power.
no, your wrong. if demand increases supply increases in response. prices will rise as well, true,  with increased taxation on the business the price will rise higher, with less taxation the price will rise less. this is a very small but very real effect.

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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2011, 08:22:04 PM »
LOL @ JT saying is a solid poster on politics, he just as if not more clueless than you. Lets see, two 20 year olds with no jobs having shit handed to them with ZERO sense of responsibility. Continue your circle jerk of delution.

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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2011, 08:25:13 PM »
LOL @ JT saying is a solid poster on politics, he just as if not more clueless than you. Lets see, two 20 year olds with no jobs having shit handed to them with ZERO sense of responsibility. Continue your circle jerk of delution.

LOL at this delusional coach person talking to imaginary people, did you graduate high school coach, college?



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Re: How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With A 15% Tax Rate!
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2011, 08:28:16 PM »
How to Party Like a Billionaire Financier With a 15% Tax Rate
By Lynn Parramore

August 22, 2011, Printed on August 24, 2011

A full moon rises over the Hamptons as the crocs come out to play.



While the world economy trembles and their fellow Americans face blown-up 401Ks, foreclosure threats, and fruitless job searches, financiers are embracing our current feed-the-rich/screw-the-rest mentality with renewed zest.

The NYT reports that last Saturday night, in the fabled NYC frolicking ground of Southampton, billionaire financier Leon D. Black threw himself a jaw-droppingly expensive 60th birthday bash. Two hundred well-heeled guests reclined on cushions Satyricon-style nibbling seared fois gras as Sir Elton John — earning a cool million bucks  — sang ‘Crocodile Rock.’ Joining this Reptilian Cotillion were Martha Stewart and fashion designer Vera Wang, who partied alongside some of Wall Street’s most notorious denizens, including junk-bond pioneer Michael Milken, Blackstone’s buyout king Stephen A. Schwarzman (who became a symbol of greed when he threw his own $3 million b-day bash back in bubblicious 2007), and Lloyd “God’s Work” Blankfein of Goldman Sachs.

Mayor Bloomberg was among the revelers, as was NY Senator Charles Schumer, who must have been feeling grateful for his host’s generous political contributions as he soaked in the expansive view of moonlit Schinnecock Bay.

A fellow like Leon Black needs all the influential friends he can get because, like other private equity tycoons, he enjoys a ridiculously low 15% tax rate on “carried interest” (the share of profits that hedge fund managers get as part of their stratospheric compensation). Chances are the persons who, say, cook for Mr. Black or landscape his yard pay something more like 35% in taxes for the money they earn doing actual work.

In fact, if we got rid of this George W. Bush giveaway, we’d have $21 billion over the next decade. That’s enough money to pay a million jobless Americans $20,000 for a year’s work doing productive things like rebuilding schools or repairing bridges.
That would be a lot more helpful to our country than proliferating casinos, which is Black’s line of work. His Apollo Global Management manages $72 billion in assets, including the largest gambling operation on Earth, Caesars Entertainment. He’s also into plastics.

Black, incidentally, is the 160th richest person in the United States. He is also the son of Eli M. Black, once head of the United Brands Company, whose career presents a tragic tale that we would do well to learn from a time of unchecked excess.

 

But... But... His name is "Black"!  Doesn't that somehow exempt him from your wrath, Sir Bernardo of the B?    As usual, you desire equality but only with those you consider to be your superiors.  The liberal way to equality is to make everyone poor, except they Massas, errrrrr... their Democrat Politicians.

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