Typical Obama Voter

[tbombz]

well said and true tbombz... i think it's amazing, and hilarious but messed up and sad that there are millions of people who actually believe one party is better than the other and that one party is all 100 percent right too....

newsflash, they both suck!.. it's like saying "geez, whose worse hitler or stalin?

i didnt say i didnt think one party was better than the other   i think they both have serious problems, and i think they both  can be valuable to balance out the other, but if i have to choose one or the other i choose democrats any day of the week. republicans resist progress in both the economic and social sector. they dont believe in the governments ability to promote prosperity and they dont believe in letting adults make their own personal decisions.

[The True Adonis]

What are you talking about I'm nothing close to what she is. I know it takes hard work to get the things you want in life. I've never been afraid to work 60-70 hours a week If I need to. My family came to this Country with nothing couldn't even speak english. Now they all own restraunts. My mom and dad work their ass off 7 days a week. They're happy to do it though. They have the things they wanted in life.

I know.  I was about to ask you what race you are as you are not white.  What race are you?  Just curious?

[The True Adonis]

What are you talking about I'm nothing close to what she is. I know it takes hard work to get the things you want in life. I've never been afraid to work 60-70 hours a week If I need to. My family came to this Country with nothing couldn't even speak english. Now they all own restraunts. My mom and dad work their ass off 7 days a week. They're happy to do it though. They have the things they wanted in life.

When did they come and from where?

[Irongrip400]

Was she saying America is one big "scab" or scam??  It sounded like scab to me, not sure what that means.  Either way, I would gladly pay for a one way ticket to anywhere in Africa she wanted to go.  Anyone willing to do the research and put her in touch with me?  I am completely serious.  IF it's free there, she won't need any other money.  That lady is an idiot.  What does she want, for us all to live in some utopian society where everyone "pulls there weight"?  No one does that now, why would they if there really was no incentive?

[The Wizard of Truth]

Look at what colour she is, do you honestly expect her to be a sensible, valuable member of society

[makaveli25]

I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.

My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.

He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.

My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.

I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.

[Mr. Magoo]

I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.

My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.

He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.

My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.

I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.

I don't care to read the whole post but the sentence in bold caught my eye. This is of course a logical fallacy.

[makaveli25]

I don't care to read the whole post but the sentence in bold caught my eye. This is of course a logical fallacy.

Another resident liberal panty waist.

[dr.chimps]

I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.

Pretty sure Conservatives have ideals, too. 

[makaveli25]

Pretty sure Conservatives have ideals, too. 

Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.

[Tom]

tbombz.. sorry, i wasn't clear,.. i didn't mean i thought that YOU thought that ( people who actually believe one party is better than the other, etcetera.....) i was just stating what i hear from the public....

i guess the best of both worlds would be to stop greed and corruption from the wealthy and stop greed and corruption in the poor who want everything for nothing...... how does one go about doing both AT THE SAME TIME?!

[dr.chimps]

Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.

Well, blame your Grandpa. He moved you all to the wrong country. There's a price to be paid for the freedoms you enjoy - that's one of them. Stop all yer whining.

[tonymctones]

i didnt say i didnt think one party was better than the other  i think they both have serious problems, and i think they both  can be valuable to balance out the other, but if i have to choose one or the other i choose democrats any day of the week. republicans resist progress in both the economic and social sector. they dont believe in the governments ability to promote prosperity and they dont believe in letting adults make their own personal decisions.

and what economic issues do you think dems have right and reps have wrong?

LOL and democrats are all about personal choice right?

what change in social issues to reps resist in your mind dizzle?

[Howard]

I'm not trying to be a racist but how can you vote on the same fucking side as these people if you are white and actually hold a job. You want to give more money to these people. Fucken traders!

Traitors like True Adonis die hard liberals are worse then these negroes.

Ok , the woman in the video is saying some really dumb stuff. EVERYONE has to work for a living , unless you get uber wealthy .
The right wing republicans get everyone worked up on NON issues like this retarded woman who hates her job.
The real deal here is POLITICS and who gets elected to protect the WORKING people of America right?
That is exactly why I am a proud democrat and voted for Obama.
Me and my family have worked our entire lives  and I even served in the US marine corps.
I'm for working man UNIONS and unlike the current crop of repubicans feel that the middle class working man has a right to form unions and earn a decent wage with bennefits.
I'm a democrat because I am for Medicare and social security that we WORKERS earn by paying into it via payroll deduction taxes .

I'm a democrat who will vote again for Obama because I am proud of the US highway system and think we need more great GOV works projects , like the Hoover Dam !
No private coorperation could ever build a millitary like the US Government!
This is the same GOV that put a man on the moon and built an Atomic bomb from scratch in uunder 4 yrs!

Sooooo, if you want to protect corperate tax loopholes and keep rights from the working people, vote republican.
I am a proud 52 yr old working middle class democrat and Vet of the US Marines  and no one bit ashamed to vote again for Obama!

[Howard]

Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.

The actual EFFECTIVE tax rates ( after deductions) for most middle class folks has gone down a little bit in the last 3 yrs and it hasn't changed much for the past 20 yrs. BOTH sides make taxes the boogy man but for 2/3 of us in the middle they stay about the same no matter which party is in the Whitehouse. The upper 1% are he only ones worried about this and I am not every going to be there, and if I was I sure could afford it.

[tonymctones]

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its not the govt responsibility to coddle its constituents. It is there to provide a level playing field not to ensure that a certain group is looked after.

Obamas policies have done nothing but stagnate this economy, hurting the middle class most of all howard. If you really are for the middle class, then you should look at the options for another president b/c this one is decimating the middle class.

[Howard]

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its not the govt responsibility to coddle its constituents. It is there to provide a level playing field not to ensure that a certain group is looked after.

Obamas policies have done nothing but stagnate this economy, hurting the middle class most of all howard. If you really are for the middle class, then you should look at the options for another president b/c this one is decimating the middle class.

I'm curious if you could name the actual policy that exists or legislation passed that is the problem?
FYI< I'm a political junky and quite aware of the actual laws and regulations that really exist, NOT made up rhetoric.
Pleas be specific and show cause and effect via facts, thanks

[Howard]

tbombz.. sorry, i wasn't clear,.. i didn't mean i thought that YOU thought that ( people who actually believe one party is better than the other, etcetera.....) i was just stating what i hear from the public....

i guess the best of both worlds would be to stop greed and corruption from the wealthy and stop greed and corruption in the poor who want everything for nothing...... how does one go about doing both AT THE SAME TIME?!

BINGO! The real root of the problem right there!

[The True Adonis]

I'm Albanian. My Grandfather was a wealthy man before the communist regime took over. He had a farm lots of land and animals. Once the communists took over they took everything from him. They forced him to work on the big Government farms. He was allowed to keep a little bit off his land but he wasn't able to take care of it because they worked him like a slave.

My Grandpa had enough of the bullshit. He left in the middle of the night. He scouted a way to Yugoslavia. He came back two weeks later in the middle of the night. He never told his wife what he was doing so she was shocked to see him. He didn't want her to know anything in case she was questioned by government police.

He got everybody ready and they left. Took them a while to make it. They had really young kids to take and my Grandma was pregnant at the time with my father. They slept at night and travelled during the day. Almost died of starvation and thirst. They were almost torn to pieces by a pack of dogs once. Finally they made it to Yugoslavia were my father was born. They lived there for awhile until things got really bad. They did the same thing as before but this time they made it to Greece. They lived in Greece for ten years I think. My Grandfathers big dream was to get everyone over to America. Two of the oldest of my dads brothers flew to America. They found work. They found someone to sponsor the rest of the family. Not everyone could make it over. My one Aunt had polio and another stayed behind to take care of her.

My dads family came to America not knowing the language. They all worked hard at different crappy jobs so they could afford a little place for them all to live. After a few years my uncles learned the restaurant business and the rest is history.

I hate people that think everything should be given to them. I hate liberals because of their ideals. If my family can come here and make something of themselves not even being able to speak the language then anyone can make it. This is America we shouldn't be entitled to everything. Health care, food, housing, transportation, none of that is a right! This country was built by people that had a dream to make themselves better.

You people come in our country, exploit the system all the time and never even take the time to learn about America and then spout off warped views as if you have been here all along.  This country was not built by you or anyone that looks like you.  This country was built by people who look like me and Vince Goodrum.  Your family came here to exploit America and all that she has to offer.

[tonymctones]

I'm curious if you could name the actual policy that exists or legislation passed that is the problem?
FYI< I'm a political junky and quite aware of the actual laws and regulations that really exist, NOT made up rhetoric.
Pleas be specific and show cause and effect via facts, thanks

sure thing, you should stop by the politics board bro...were always looking for new blood in there and you seem like you are pretty level headed so you would probably bring some good points of view.

the health care bill, finreg, toying with letting the bush tax cuts expire etc...

Ill just go into the health care bill for now since thats the most relevant piece of legislation but I can go into the others as well later.

The massive bill that we had to "pass before we will know whats in it" has done nothing but stagnate the economy. This bill has single handedly injected more instability into the future operating costs businesses than anything in recent history. Companies do not have a good handle on their future expected costs for their employees. They do know however that their costs will rise, do you know that even part time workers will be effected by this bill?

this bill requires that you add up your part time hours for all part time workers and divide by 40 to get the equivilant number of full time workers and you have to pay the penalty for that number...is that not bull shit?

This bill is also going to increase the premiums of insurance. An insurance company works by spreading the risk of their pool over many ppl. This bill allows you to not carry insurance, pay a fee(which is small in comparison to insurance premiums) and when you get sick go buy insurance and force the company to pay for your medical bills...

what do you think the insurance company is going to do to help compensate for the new added risk? they are going to raise their rates on the existing customer base....

businesses work by planning, to do so you need to know your expected revenue and your expected expenses...if you dont know how much its going to cost you to take on a certain project b/c you dont know what your cost for personel will be youre going to be much less inclined to take that project on.

I went to a seminar a while back on the health care bill given by an insurance company here in houston. I think i still have the hand outs, I can send them to you if I do.

[Howard]

sure thing, you should stop by the politics board bro...were always looking for new blood in there and you seem like you are pretty level headed so you would probably bring some good points of view.

the health care bill, finreg, toying with letting the bush tax cuts expire etc...

Ill just go into the health care bill for now since thats the most relevant piece of legislation but I can go into the others as well later.

The massive bill that we had to "pass before we will know whats in it" has done nothing but stagnate the economy. This bill has single handedly injected more instability into the future operating costs businesses than anything in recent history. Companies do not have a good handle on their future expected costs for their employees. They do know however that their costs will rise, do you know that even part time workers will be effected by this bill?

this bill requires that you add up your part time hours for all part time workers and divide by 40 to get the equivilant number of full time workers and you have to pay the penalty for that number...is that not bull shit?

This bill is also going to increase the premiums of insurance. An insurance company works by spreading the risk of their pool over many ppl. This bill allows you to not carry insurance, pay a fee(which is small in comparison to insurance premiums) and when you get sick go buy insurance and force the company to pay for your medical bills...

what do you think the insurance company is going to do to help compensate for the new added risk? they are going to raise their rates on the existing customer base....

businesses work by planning, to do so you need to know your expected revenue and your expected expenses...if you dont know how much its going to cost you to take on a certain project b/c you dont know what your cost for personel will be youre going to be much less inclined to take that project on.

I went to a seminar a while back on the health care bill given by an insurance company here in houston. I think i still have the hand outs, I can send them to you if I do.

wtf? The tax rates are the same now for the upper marginal end as they were under Bush! Plus, the majority of the Obama Health care bill has yet to fully kick in. Some won't go into effect until 2014!
Do you have Health Ins? If so, you see that they have been gouging us for the past 10 yrs , going UP and UP each yr.

[che]

Ya their ideals don't include giving half your paycheck everyweek to people who don't deserve it. People who don't pull there own weight.

Are you saying our military  don't deserve it and they can't pull their own weight   .

[tonymctones]

wtf? The tax rates are the same now for the upper marginal end as they were under Bush! Plus, the majority of the Obama Health care bill has yet to fully kick in. Some won't go into effect until 2014!
Do you have Health Ins? If so, you see that they have been gouging us for the past 10 yrs , going UP and UP each yr.

obama toyed with letting the bush tax cuts expire for over a year, when he knew fully well that he would likely have to extend them. He should have extended them then instead of toying with letting them expire and injected instability into the market.

yes and even now were finding out new and disturbing things about this massive bill. THATS MY POINT BRO...

you dont expect businesses to plan and expand when they cant predict costs!!!!!!!!!!!!

the way a company or anyone for that matter determines whether a project is worth undertaking is by determining if the future income outways the future costs.

if you cant predict costs b/c you dont know what your cost for your employees will be. Then unless your postive that the project will turn a profit YOURE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH IT...

thats the point...

I do have health ins and I agree they gouge us,

how do think requiring them to provide insurance to anybody at anytime is going to help that?
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please answer this question howard

[The True Adonis]

obama toyed with letting the bush tax cuts expire for over a year, when he knew fully well that he would likely have to extend them. He should have extended them then instead of toying with letting them expire and injected instability into the market.

yes and even now were finding out new and disturbing things about this massive bill. THATS MY POINT BRO...

you dont expect businesses to plan and expand when they cant predict costs!!!!!!!!!!!!

the way a company or anyone for that matter determines whether a project is worth undertaking is by determining if the future income outways the future costs.

if you cant predict costs b/c you dont know what your cost for your employees will be. Then unless your postive that the project will turn a profit YOURE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH WITH IT...

thats the point...

I do have health ins and I agree they gouge us,

how do think requiring them to provide insurance to anybody at anytime is going to help that?
^^^^
please answer this question howard

Tony,
How much do you pay for health insurance now that you have it.  If I remember, you didn`t always have it.  Also, if its included in your paycheck from your employer (another horrible problem) would you rather have the money instead to purchase your own Policy or do whatever you want with?

[tonymctones]

Tony,
How much do you pay for health insurance now that you have it.  If I remember, you didn`t always have it.  Also, if its included in your paycheck from your employer (another horrible problem) would you rather have the money instead to purchase your own Policy or do whatever you want with?

No I didnt always have it, although if I had chosen I could have went out and bought it. It is through work and Id have to look at a pay stub to be honest, its not very expensive at all. I went with the cheaper program though b/c I am reletively healthy and have the opportunity to change coverage next year.

Hmmm good question it would be nice to have more money for school and booze lol but like I said I dont really pay that much for it anyway