florida passes drug testing law

[ManBearPig...]

you can't get welfare if you fail a drug test.  other states considering the same.

is tdongz fucked?

[The Wizard of Truth]

About fucking time

[Colemans#1]

how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis

[ManBearPig...]

how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis

when you first apply.  if you fail, you can't reapply for a year.

[Coach is Back!]

Great policy, they should also do it for people that have been on UE for more than six months. Great policy,

[ManBearPig...]

the paperwork's already being filed in court to appeal the law.

[Parker]

the paperwork's already being filed in court to appeal the law.

The pillheads have the power---they no like this new law.

[deadz]

About fucking time

x100000000000000000000 I live here and it's about f'ing time. Scott did at least one thing right.

[The True Adonis]

Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives?  Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.

I wonder about some of you sometimes.  I really do.

[jesusbod]

how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis

Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.

[The True Adonis]

Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis.

One should NEVER relinquish that much control to the Government. 

[ManBearPig...]

Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives?  Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.

I wonder about some of you sometimes.  I really do.

are you a democrat that wants less government involvement?

also, the taxpayer pays for the welfare benefits as well.  

i guess if implemented, we'll see if the numbers add up.  apparently it costs $1140 to do the test per person.  how much are the annual benefits? what percentage fails the test?

we'll see.  seems like you'd have to have a lot of failures to justify the cost of testing.  unless the testing's "random", or if there's just cause for testing, which could open up a whole new can of legal worms.

[The Wizard of Truth]

Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives?  Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.

I wonder about some of you sometimes.  I really do.

Don't know about USA but here the cost of a test for Rec drugs is equal to one and a half wks bums welfare

[Howard]

how often to they plan to test people? when u first get on welfare or at random times? i dont know how many people are on welfare in florida but i can imagine that it would be quite expensive to test people on a regular basis

Why give ANYTHING to people who don't work? Screw wasting $$$ drug testing them, I don't care about spending MORE $ on a lost cause.

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Less people on welfare means enough money to test the ones that are on it on a random basis

The vast majority of people will pass the drug test which will cost more money than people testing positive....in addition, while it sounds good on paper right now, I don't people know exactly what the US welfare system consist of....which is:


1.  Social Security
2.  Medicare
3.  Medicaid
4.  Disability
5.  Earned Income Credit


Basically, there's going to be a line of senior citizens waiting to pee in a cup at an average 130 dollars a pop (35 for the test, 95 for the results and administrator of it).  Afterwards those old people are going to be pissed off enough to vote whoever passed this out of office.  

Oh, one other thing....if a person fails a drug test, they will more than likely get a public defender and dispute the results costing more money in legal fees.  Its no different than Texas spending a couple million dollars to test high school kids for steroids....just a big waste


Another example of implementing a policy based on appeasing the Tea Party.

[The True Adonis]

are you a democrat that wants less government involvement?

also, the taxpayer pays for the welfare benefits as well.  

i guess if implemented, we'll see if the numbers add up.  apparently it costs $1140 to do the test per person.  how much are the annual benefits? what percentage fails the test?

we'll see.  seems like you'd have to have a lot of failures to justify the cost of testing.  unless the testing's "random", or if there's just cause for testing, which could open up a whole new can of legal worms.

I am a Progressive who wants as little government involvement as possible.  The Welfare requirements are strict:



 Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.

 Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.

 States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

Also remember that the so called "Welfare Money" goes directly into our economy which is not a bad thing at all.  These drug tests are akin to doing nothing more than flushing money down the toilet.  Who does it benefit?  Nobody.

[jesusbod]

Why would you want MORE Government involvement in people`s lives?  Do you schmucks also not realize that the Tax Payer is now going to have to PAY FOR THESE EXPENSIVE DRUG TESTS? And then they will have to Staff extra people to administer them, read them, create databases which add nothing but more bureaucratic red tape and an extra unneeded process.

I wonder about some of you sometimes.  I really do.

I have to take a piss test for employment at random times. Why should I not expect the Feds to piss test someone wanting welfare? Plus aren't you a socialist? Seems to me that you would be all for this. Considering the Government would be the ones make sure everyone is on a fair playing field right?

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

I am a Progressive who wants as little government involvement as possible.  The Welfare requirements are strict:



 Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.

 Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.

 States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

Also remember that the so called "Welfare Money" goes directly into our economy which is not a bad thing at all.  These drug tests are akin to doing nothing more than flushing money down the toilet.  Who does it benefit?  Nobody.

Exactly, TA, most people don't know that people on welfare...have to work to get it....

[The True Adonis]

I have to take a piss test for employment at random times. Why should I not expect the Feds to piss test someone wanting welfare? Plus aren't you a socialist? Seems to me that you would be all for this. Considering the Government would be the ones make sure everyone is on a fair playing field right?

1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.  

2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly and give them power they should never have.

3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all.   Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property.  Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.

[ManBearPig...]

Exactly, TA, most people don't know that people on welfare...have to work to get it....

oh give me a break.  i don't know how it is by you, but the welfare requirements are not enforced at all in Chicago.  i'm not sure what the rules state, but we all know "mamas" that have babies merely to increase their benefits.

i believe tupac sang about these ladies in the song "Brenda".

[ManBearPig...]

1. I believe a private company has a right to administer drug tests. If you don`t like the company`s policies, don`t work there.  

2. The "I have to do it, so everyone should have to do it" mentality is how you end up surrendering all of your rights over to the government willingly.

3. I do not like to label myself really as I don`t fit into any one ideology at all.   Socialism has nothing to do with Government involvement in Personal lives or the seizure of Private property.  Different levels of Socialism can exist in harmony with Capitalism and does so in the United States and throughout the world.

i agree with you on 2 and 3, but shouldn't 1 apply to welfare checks as well?

[The True Adonis]

oh give me a break.  i don't know how it is by you, but the welfare requirements are not enforced at all in Chicago.  i'm not sure what the rules state, but we all know "mamas" that have babies merely to increase their benefits.

i believe tupac sang about these ladies in the song "Brenda".

So you are quoting a Tupac Shakur song, a rapper who was shot in 1996 as your "proof and statistical evidence" that welfare requirements are not enforced in Chicago?   

[The True Adonis]

i agree with you on 2 and 3, but shouldn't 1 apply to welfare checks as well?

I don`t understand what someone does in their personal life has to do with anything at all.  Why create More Bureaucracy and strengthen the Government over people`s private lives?

What benefit would this program have other than wasting more Tax Dollars?

[ManBearPig...]

So you are quoting a Tupac Shakur song, a rapper who was shot in 1996 as your "proof and statistical evidence" that welfare requirements are not enforced in Chicago?   

the tupac reference was a joke.  relax your thong a little, you're taking this too seriously.

[makaveli25]

I am a Progressive who wants as little government involvement as possible.  The Welfare requirements are strict:



 Single parents are required to participate in work activities for at least 30 hours per week. Two-parent families must participate in work activities 35 or 55 hours a week, depending upon circumstances.

 Failure to participate in work requirements can result in a reduction or termination of benefits to the family.

 States, in FY 2004, have to ensure that 50 percent of all families and 90 percent of two-parent families are participating in work activities. If a state reduces its caseload, without restricting eligibility, it can receive a caseload reduction credit. This credit reduces the minimum participation rates the state must achieve.

Also remember that the so called "Welfare Money" goes directly into our economy which is not a bad thing at all.  These drug tests are akin to doing nothing more than flushing money down the toilet.  Who does it benefit?  Nobody.

Now that sounds a lot better TA