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Gotta love those Repubs

Can Big Government get any more "invasive" than forced sonograms and state mandated lectures

And this is from the state that teaches "abstinence only" while having something like the 4th highest teen pregnancy rate in the country and I think also ranks dead last in % of it's citizens with health care coverage




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/30/texas-sonogram-law-judge-abortion_n_942628.html

Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
AUSTIN, Texas — A federal judge on Tuesday blocked key provisions of Texas' new law requiring a doctor to perform a sonogram before an abortion, ruling the measure violates the free speech rights of both doctors and patients.

U.S. District Judge Sam Sparks upheld the requirement that sonograms be performed, but struck down the provisions requiring doctors to describe the images to their patients and requiring women to hear the descriptions.

The law made exceptions for women who were willing to sign statements saying they were pregnant as a result of rape or incest or that their fetus had an irreversible abnormality. Sparks questioned whether the Republican-controlled Texas Legislature was trying to "permanently brand" women who are victims of sexual assault.

The law – one of dozens of anti-abortion measures that advanced through state capitals across the United States this year – takes effect Thursday. The New York-based Center for Reproductive Rights had sued to block it.

Supporters argued the law ensures women fully understand what an abortion entails and said some women have regretted having abortions. They said the law would lead to fewer abortions in Texas. About 81,000 abortions are performed every year in Texas.

Opponents argued that requiring doctors to describe a fetus' features would force them to say things against their will and would violate medical ethics requiring doctors to respect a patient's autonomy and act in the patient's best interest.

The Texas Medical Association opposed the law because it dictated when a doctor must perform a procedure and how the doctor must deal with a patient. While a pre-abortion ultrasound is routine, it is not considered medically necessary.

Sparks wrote that forcing doctors to discuss the results with a patient who may not want to listen "compels physicians to advance an ideological agenda with which they may not agree, regardless of any medical necessity and irrespective of whether the pregnant women wish to listen."

Sparks was particularly troubled by the requirement that victims of sexual assault or incest sign statements attesting to that fact to get around the provision. That would require women to disclose "extremely personal, medically irrelevant facts" that will be "memorialized in records that are, at best, semi-private," Sparks wrote.

"(It) is difficult to avoid the troubling conclusion the Texas Legislature either wants to permanently brand women who choose to get abortions, or views these certifications as potential evidence to be used against physicians and women," Sparks wrote.

Sparks also struck down several enforcement penalties for doctors who faced losing their medical license and possible criminal misdemeanor prosecution if they did not comply.

The ruling is a "huge victory for women in Texas and a clear signal to the state Legislature that it went too far when it passed this law," said Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights.

The group said it had already received notice the state plans to appeal.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican who is running for president, was critical of Tuesday's ruling. Perry had made the law one of his top priorities for the 2011 legislative session.

"Every life lost to abortion is a tragedy and today's ruling is a great disappointment to all Texans who stand in defense of life," Perry said in a statement.

State Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, a key sponsor of the measure, said he was confident the law would be upheld on appeal.

"It is clear to me, from the inflammatory language in the order, that Judge Sparks was predisposed to this decision," Patrick said.

Sparks represented doctors and hospitals as an attorney for about 30 years before being appointed a federal judge in 1991.

A similar Oklahoma measure, passed in 2010, has been put on hold there pending legal challenges

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2011, 03:16:32 PM »
yea it can, it can make you pay for a child that you didnt want...

oh wait, IT ALREADY DOES THAT!!!

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 03:55:37 PM »
yea it can, it can make you pay for a child that you didnt want...

oh wait, IT ALREADY DOES THAT!!!

I don't think you'll have anything to worry about in that department

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 04:31:27 PM »
LOL you either with this law, buy you started a thread on it....

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 04:41:09 PM »
LOL you either with this law, buy you started a thread on it....

unlike you, I would have no problem, philosophically or financially, supporting children that belonged to me

not sure you're actually aware of what this thread is about


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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 05:06:32 PM »
LOL either do I

But unlike you I DOOOO have a problem with my child being aborted against my will...

::)

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 05:18:05 PM »
LOL either do I

But unlike you I DOOOO have a problem with my child being aborted against my will...

::)

yes, we all know how you feel about that

why don't you start a thread about it or bump one of the many where you've bitched and moaned about it
ad nauseum

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 05:29:29 PM »
yes, we all know how you feel about that

why don't you start a thread about it or bump one of the many where you've bitched and moaned about it
ad nauseum
LOL perhaps you can do the same with your topic on this thread?

;) moron ::)

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 05:45:55 PM »
LOL perhaps you can do the same with your topic on this thread?

;) moron ::)

I can do what now?

start the same thread again

wtf is your problem ?

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2011, 05:58:14 PM »
I can do what now?

start the same thread again

wtf is your problem ?
LOL take your advice for me and apply it to yourself and the threads you bitched in...;) moron...


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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2011, 06:27:10 PM »
LOL take your advice for me and apply it to yourself and the threads you bitched in...;) moron...
you're the one that crying like a little bitch with sand in her vagina

you clearly have nothing to say about the topic of Repubs forcing woman to have sonograms and sit through state sanctioned lectures

do you have any thoughts on the response from doctors or the fact that the federal courts just struck down the provision that requires the doctors to describe the images to their patients and requiring women to hear the descriptions.

I'm guessing you have no thoughts on that and just want to personally attack me


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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 07:55:54 PM »
you're the one that crying like a little bitch with sand in her vagina

you clearly have nothing to say about the topic of Repubs forcing woman to have sonograms and sit through state sanctioned lectures

do you have any thoughts on the response from doctors or the fact that the federal courts just struck down the provision that requires the doctors to describe the images to their patients and requiring women to hear the descriptions.

I'm guessing you have no thoughts on that and just want to personally attack me
nope I dont have a problem with it at all, just like you have no problem with a man losing their child against their will...

guess life is unfair all over huh?

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2011, 08:00:03 PM »
Lmao at straw objecting to this yet defending obamacare mandate. 

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2011, 08:14:49 PM »
Lmao at straw objecting to this yet defending obamacare mandate. 

I'm pointing out they are both are exactly the same


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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2011, 08:19:19 PM »
so youre against obamacare now?

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2011, 08:23:44 PM »
so youre against obamacare now?

against what?

my life hasn't changed at all

has yours?

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2011, 08:37:21 PM »
against what?

my life hasn't changed at all

has yours?
LOL the stifling of businesses, making businesses pay the penalty for part time workers.

mandating that insurance companies give insurance to anyone at anytime and making it cheaper to not carry insurance and pay the penalty until you get sick and then buying a policy.

causing the insurance companies to spread the risk of those who dont buy insurance policies causing the premiums to go up.

and yea my life has changed as has every person who works in internal finance for a company that has employees. You see we have to start trying to plan for this disaster.......

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2011, 08:47:42 PM »
LOL the stifling of businesses, making businesses pay the penalty for part time workers.

mandating that insurance companies give insurance to anyone at anytime and making it cheaper to not carry insurance and pay the penalty until you get sick and then buying a policy.

causing the insurance companies to spread the risk of those who dont buy insurance policies causing the premiums to go up.

and yea my life has changed as has ever person who works in internal finance for a company that has employees. You see we have to start trying to plan for this disaster.......


so tell us how your life has changed

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2011, 08:53:35 PM »

so tell us how your life has changed
LOL by having to try and make plans for this disaster, did you not read that point?

are you for the provisions in obamacare straw?

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2011, 08:57:52 PM »
LOL by having to try and make plans for this disaster, did you not read that point?

are you for the provisions in obamacare straw?

right on dude

I see what you're talking about

tell us what provisions you have made for Obamacare when it rolls out


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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2011, 03:59:14 AM »
right on dude

I see what you're talking about

tell us what provisions you have made for Obamacare when it rolls out
LOL how about we have an actual conversation here straw instead of the usual, I ask you a question and you respond with questions never answering any of mine, ok?

since i asked first lets start there and then Ill go into what i have to do to plan for this bill.

are you for the provisions in the health care bill all in all straw?

please an honest conversation this go around...

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2011, 04:17:38 AM »
Got to love the straw man lib argument - it's not ok to force someone to undergo a sonogram, but it is ok to force them to buy private health care insurance.   

Typical liberal double standards. 

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2011, 06:22:35 AM »
LOL how about we have an actual conversation here straw instead of the usual, I ask you a question and you respond with questions never answering any of mine, ok?

since i asked first lets start there and then Ill go into what i have to do to plan for this bill.

are you for the provisions in the health care bill all in all straw?
please an honest conversation this go around...

I'm fine with the provisions in the legislation now tell us how your life has changed and what "plans" you've put in place to deal with the legislation.   I don't understand what you mean

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2011, 06:26:29 AM »
I'm fine with the provisions in the legislation now tell us how your life has changed and what "plans" you've put in place to deal with the legislation.   I don't understand what you mean

Then you should be fine with the govt forcing sonograms. 

now STFU 

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Re: Texas Sonogram Law: Judge Strikes Down Key Provisions Of Abortion Bill
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2011, 06:27:21 AM »
Then you should be fine with the govt forcing sonograms. 

now STFU 

I assume you're fine with it too

right?