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Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« on: September 04, 2011, 05:37:14 PM »
I think they're going to play a big role in both the primary and general elections. 

Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
Sunday, 04 Sep 2011

BERLIN, N.H. (AP) — Bulling its way into 2012, the tea party is shaping the race for the GOP presidential nomination as candidates parrot the movement's language and promote its agenda while jostling to win its favor.

That's much to the delight of Democrats who are working to paint the tea party and the eventual Republican nominee as extreme.

"The tea party isn't a diversion from mainstream Republican thought. It is within mainstream Republican thought," Mitt Romney told a New Hampshire newspaper recently, defending the activists he's done little to woo, until now.

The former Massachusetts governor is starting to court them more aggressively as polls suggest he's being hurt by weak support within the movement, whose members generally favor rivals such as Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Romney's shift is the latest evidence of the big imprint the tea party is leaving on the race.

Such overtures come with risks, given that more Americans are cooling to the tea party's unyielding tactics and bare-bones vision of the federal government.

After Washington's debt showdown this summer, an Associated Press-GfK poll found that 46 percent of adults had an unfavorable view of the tea party, compared with 36 percent just after last November's election.

It could give President Barack Obama and his Democrats an opening should the Republican nominee be closely aligned with the tea party.

Yet even as the public begins to sour on the movement, candidates such as Romney are shrugging off past tea party disagreements to avoid upsetting activists.

That includes Perry, who faced a tea party challenger in his most recent election for governor and who has irked some tea partyers so much that they are openly trying to undercut his candidacy. Instead of fighting back, Perry often praises the tea party.

In his book "Fed Up," Perry wrote: "We are seeing an energetic and important push by the American people — led in part by the tea party movement — to give the boot to the old-guard Washington establishment who no longer represent us."

There's a reason for the coziness. Those voters who will choose the GOP nominee identify closely with the movement.

A recent AP-GfK survey showed that 56 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning people identified themselves as tea party supporters. Also, Republicans who back the tea party place a higher priority than other Republicans on the budget deficit and taxes, issues at the center of the nomination contest.

Last year, the tea party injected the GOP with a huge dose of enthusiasm, helping it reclaim the House and end one-party rule in Washington. These days, they are firing up the campaign trail in early voting Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

It's little wonder, then, why many of the White House aspirants are popping up at rallies by the Tea Party Express, a Sacramento, Calif.-based political committee that's in the midst of a 30-city bus tour. That tour ends Sept. 12 in Tampa, Fla., where the group will team with CNN to sponsor a nationally televised GOP debate. Every Republican candidate faring strongly in the polls is set to participate.

Some grass-roots activists will cringe. They consider the Tea Party Express uncomfortably close to the GOP establishment. Nonetheless, "it's a moment of political arrival" for the tea party, says Bruce Cain, a University of California, Berkeley political scientist.

Five months before the first voting in the nomination fight, a Gallup survey of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents last week found Perry pulling strong support from voters who identify themselves as tea party supporters, with 35 percent, followed by Romney and Bachmann at 14 percent.

That may help explain why Romney decided to speak Sunday at a Tea Party Express rally in New Hampshire and, a day later, appear at a forum in South Carolina hosted by GOP Sen. Jim DeMint, who oversees a political committee that has supported tea party candidates.

DeMint said the tea party is "one of the best things that's happened to our country and to politics, because there's a broad cross-section of Americans involved in citizen activism today. And some are called Tea Party; some are not."

Rather than anointing any candidate, DeMint said Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that he's looking to see which one "really catches the attention and inspires the average American, who has gotten involved with politics and the political process."

Perry, Bachmann and others in the 2012 planned to appear at DeMint's event.

Tea party groups have indicated they'll protest Romney's appearances. They are irked that as governor, he signed a bill that enacted a health program mandating insurance coverage. It served as a precursor to Obama's federal measure that the tea party despises.

So Romney has stepped up his courtship in recent weeks. At a veterans' hall in Berlin, N.H., a voter asked how Romney would handle the "right-wing fringe" that, the questioner said, had taken over the GOP.

Romney's answer: "I'll take a bit of exception with that. ... You're not going to see me distance myself from those who believe in small government, because I believe in it too." He made similar comments to the Foster's Daily Democrat.

Other candidates are rushing to the tea party's defense, too.

Rick Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, recently ridiculed a Democratic congresswoman who said the tea party should "go straight to hell." Americans on the political left "absolutely despise the founding principles of this country," he said.

When Democrats accused the tea party of holding the GOP hostage during the debt debate, Bachmann sent out a fundraising letter that said, "Only in the bizarro world of Washington is fiscal responsibility sometimes defined as terrorism."

The tea party is felt in other ways.

At an Iowa debate in August, every candidate on stage signaled opposition to a debt-reduction deal if it included as much as $1 in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts, which the tea party advocated.

The early exit of former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty from the race can be attributed in part to his failure to earn credibility with the tea party movement. Bachmann's entire candidacy could, perhaps, be attributed to encouragement she received from tea party backers; she's courted them since the party's founding.

Each time a candidate is linked to the movement, the Democratic National Committee gleefully works to brand the candidate, and the Republican Party in general, as outside the mainstream.

Tea party activists are emboldened after helping get 30 like-minded House members elected last fall. Their victories changed the direction of Congress so much that demands from tea party-aligned lawmakers nearly halted government during this summer's debt debate.

Aside from the presidential race, tea party leaders have no less than 100 congressional primaries in their sights as they look to expand their influence on Capitol Hill.

The Houston-based Alliance for Self-Governance, a new group that wants to oust long-serving Washington incumbents, is working to train grass-roots organizers to identify potential supporters and get them to the polls. An offshoot, the Campaign for Primary Accountability, an outside group that can raise unlimited amounts of money, hopes to influence House campaigns.

"We are not looking to change the party balance. We want to change the people who will have the power in Congress," said Leo E. Linbeck III, the alliance's co-chairman.

Whatever happens, the party is leaving a stamp on the presidential race, and Democrats hope it will last.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/TeaParty-2012/2011/09/04/id/409728

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2011, 06:12:24 PM »
LOLZERS

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2011, 06:46:01 PM »
GOP will blame them for a "big role" in their loss

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2011, 07:07:54 PM »
I think they're going to play a big role in both the primary and general elections.  

Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
Sunday, 04 Sep 2011

BERLIN, N.H. (AP) — Bulling its way into 2012, the tea party is shaping the race for the GOP presidential nomination as candidates parrot the movement's language and promote its agenda while jostling to win its favor.

That's much to the delight of Democrats who are working to paint the tea party and the eventual Republican nominee as extreme.

"The tea party isn't a diversion from mainstream Republican thought. It is within mainstream Republican thought," Mitt Romney told a New Hampshire newspaper recently, defending the activists he's done little to woo, until now.

The former Massachusetts governor is starting to court them more aggressively as polls suggest he's being hurt by weak support within the movement, whose members generally favor rivals such as Texas Gov. Rick Perry and Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Romney's shift is the latest evidence of the big imprint the tea party is leaving on the race.

Such overtures come with risks, given that more Americans are cooling to the tea party's unyielding tactics and bare-bones vision of the federal government.

After Washington's debt showdown this summer, an Associated Press-GfK poll found that 46 percent of adults had an unfavorable view of the tea party, compared with 36 percent just after last November's election.

It could give President Barack Obama and his Democrats an opening should the Republican nominee be closely aligned with the tea party.

Yet even as the public begins to sour on the movement, candidates such as Romney are shrugging off past tea party disagreements to avoid upsetting activists.

That includes Perry, who faced a tea party challenger in his most recent election for governor and who has irked some tea partyers so much that they are openly trying to undercut his candidacy. Instead of fighting back, Perry often praises the tea party.

In his book "Fed Up," Perry wrote: "We are seeing an energetic and important push by the American people — led in part by the tea party movement — to give the boot to the old-guard Washington establishment who no longer represent us."

There's a reason for the coziness. Those voters who will choose the GOP nominee identify closely with the movement.

A recent AP-GfK survey showed that 56 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning people identified themselves as tea party supporters. Also, Republicans who back the tea party place a higher priority than other Republicans on the budget deficit and taxes, issues at the center of the nomination contest.

Last year, the tea party injected the GOP with a huge dose of enthusiasm, helping it reclaim the House and end one-party rule in Washington. These days, they are firing up the campaign trail in early voting Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

It's little wonder, then, why many of the White House aspirants are popping up at rallies by the Tea Party Express, a Sacramento, Calif.-based political committee that's in the midst of a 30-city bus tour. That tour ends Sept. 12 in Tampa, Fla., where the group will team with CNN to sponsor a nationally televised GOP debate. Every Republican candidate faring strongly in the polls is set to participate.

Some grass-roots activists will cringe. They consider the Tea Party Express uncomfortably close to the GOP establishment. Nonetheless, "it's a moment of political arrival" for the tea party, says Bruce Cain, a University of California, Berkeley political scientist.

Five months before the first voting in the nomination fight, a Gallup survey of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents last week found Perry pulling strong support from voters who identify themselves as tea party supporters, with 35 percent, followed by Romney and Bachmann at 14 percent.

That may help explain why Romney decided to speak Sunday at a Tea Party Express rally in New Hampshire and, a day later, appear at a forum in South Carolina hosted by GOP Sen. Jim DeMint, who oversees a political committee that has supported tea party candidates.

DeMint said the tea party is "one of the best things that's happened to our country and to politics, because there's a broad cross-section of Americans involved in citizen activism today. And some are called Tea Party; some are not."

Rather than anointing any candidate, DeMint said Sunday on ABC's "This Week" that he's looking to see which one "really catches the attention and inspires the average American, who has gotten involved with politics and the political process."

Perry, Bachmann and others in the 2012 planned to appear at DeMint's event.

Tea party groups have indicated they'll protest Romney's appearances. They are irked that as governor, he signed a bill that enacted a health program mandating insurance coverage. It served as a precursor to Obama's federal measure that the tea party despises.

So Romney has stepped up his courtship in recent weeks. At a veterans' hall in Berlin, N.H., a voter asked how Romney would handle the "right-wing fringe" that, the questioner said, had taken over the GOP.

Romney's answer: "I'll take a bit of exception with that. ... You're not going to see me distance myself from those who believe in small government, because I believe in it too." He made similar comments to the Foster's Daily Democrat.

Other candidates are rushing to the tea party's defense, too.

Rick Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, recently ridiculed a Democratic congresswoman who said the tea party should "go straight to hell." Americans on the political left "absolutely despise the founding principles of this country," he said.

When Democrats accused the tea party of holding the GOP hostage during the debt debate, Bachmann sent out a fundraising letter that said, "Only in the bizarro world of Washington is fiscal responsibility sometimes defined as terrorism."

The tea party is felt in other ways.

At an Iowa debate in August, every candidate on stage signaled opposition to a debt-reduction deal if it included as much as $1 in tax increases for every $10 in spending cuts, which the tea party advocated.

The early exit of former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty from the race can be attributed in part to his failure to earn credibility with the tea party movement. Bachmann's entire candidacy could, perhaps, be attributed to encouragement she received from tea party backers; she's courted them since the party's founding.

Each time a candidate is linked to the movement, the Democratic National Committee gleefully works to brand the candidate, and the Republican Party in general, as outside the mainstream.

Tea party activists are emboldened after helping get 30 like-minded House members elected last fall. Their victories changed the direction of Congress so much that demands from tea party-aligned lawmakers nearly halted government during this summer's debt debate.

Aside from the presidential race, tea party leaders have no less than 100 congressional primaries in their sights as they look to expand their influence on Capitol Hill.

The Houston-based Alliance for Self-Governance, a new group that wants to oust long-serving Washington incumbents, is working to train grass-roots organizers to identify potential supporters and get them to the polls. An offshoot, the Campaign for Primary Accountability, an outside group that can raise unlimited amounts of money, hopes to influence House campaigns.

"We are not looking to change the party balance. We want to change the people who will have the power in Congress," said Leo E. Linbeck III, the alliance's co-chairman.

Whatever happens, the party is leaving a stamp on the presidential race, and Democrats hope it will last.

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/TeaParty-2012/2011/09/04/id/409728

We already know Ron Paul has made a huge impact in how the other candidates will end up walking and talking this go around. You're a day late and a dollar short.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2011, 07:15:26 PM »
GOP will blame them for a "big role" in their loss

Based on what?

Obama's bleeding white voters (especially men) and independents, by the truckload. They ain't falling for the pitiful left-winged narrative that Obama needs to be re-elected lest the radical "religious fundamentalists" take over Washington.

They don't care about how old the candidates think the planet is, or about global warming. It's about THE ECONOMY and JOBS, something the Dems DO NOT WANT to be the top subject, because their record over the last three years is ABSYMAL.

They got their clocks cleaned last year, and they're due for another trip to the political woodshed (especially with over TWICE as many Dem seats in the Senate on the line as there are GOP ones).

Now, we've learned that unemployment is expected to be at least 9% throughout ALL OF 2012. Spin it anyway you like, if that scenario holds true, the Tea Party delivers another @$$-whipping to the Dems (only this time Obama will be joining the fray of those screaming in pain).

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2011, 07:16:17 PM »
LOL @ people who claim to support the tea party beleifs,  but shit all over ron paul because FOX hates him.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2011, 07:17:56 PM »
Based on what?

dude, IF Obama wins, the GOP WILL blame the tea party.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2011, 07:24:34 PM »
LOL @ people who claim to support the tea party beleifs,  but shit all over ron paul because FOX hates him.


Are you talking about yourself? You claim to love the guy yet you disagree with everything he stands for.

It's almost comedic how much of a groupie you are. All to give credibility to the trash you post on here.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2011, 07:48:14 PM »
LOL @ people who claim to support the tea party beleifs,  but shit all over ron paul because FOX hates him.


Paul is a non-factor. The top 4, as far as I'm concerned (in no particular order: Bachmann, Romney, Cain, and Perry) can easily match Paul's economic views; but they each CRUSH HIM on the social issues.

In fact, that's what makes this an easy sell for me. All of the social conservatives are also economic ones; so, despite what some try to paint, there is no "either/or" routine with regards to social vs. economic concerns.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2011, 08:16:45 PM »
Paul is a non-factor. The top 4, as far as I'm concerned (in no particular order: Bachmann, Romney, Cain, and Perry) can easily match Paul's economic views; but they each CRUSH HIM on the social issues.

In fact, that's what makes this an easy sell for me. All of the social conservatives are also economic ones; so, despite what some try to paint, there is no "either/or" routine with regards to social vs. economic concerns.

it's interesting that you think this is the factor that is going go coalesce the Repubs and also pull in the Indepedents/disenfranchised Dems

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2011, 08:24:22 PM »
LOL @ people who claim to support the tea party beleifs,  but shit all over ron paul because FOX hates him.

don't forget that the tea party and ron paul are not the same thing.  Much of the tea party is actually neocons hiding behind a Ron Paul mask.

TEA Party Movement Hijacked by Big Government NEO-Cons


http://www.digitalmeetingcenter.com/ron-pauls-shocking-message-to-the-tea-party/851883/

Ron Paul admits Tea Party is now corporately owned


Ron Paul will NOT Join the Tea Party Caucus
http://www.dailypaul.com/149547/breaking-ron-paul-will-not-join-the-tea-party-caucus

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2011, 08:27:08 PM »
it's interesting that you think this is the factor that is going go coalesce the Repubs and also pull in the Indepedents/disenfranchised Dems

NO, I listed that as the reason why Ron Paul is a long shot (and that's being gracious) to win it.

As long as the winner has a grasp on fixing the economy, with the rep to back it up, Obama is DONE!!

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2011, 08:27:08 PM »
Paul is a non-factor. The top 4, as far as I'm concerned (in no particular order: Bachmann, Romney, Cain, and Perry) can easily match Paul's economic views; but they each CRUSH HIM on the social issues.


I Just about anything else you could say would be forgivable but this.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2011, 08:49:53 PM »
NO, I listed that as the reason why Ron Paul is a long shot (and that's being gracious) to win it.

As long as the winner has a grasp on fixing the economy, with the rep to back it up, Obama is DONE!!

any of the potential Repub candidates is a long shot

I think they might actually have the best chance if they nomnated RP

force everyone to vote for him or Obama

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2011, 09:22:44 PM »
We already know Ron Paul has made a huge impact in how the other candidates will end up walking and talking this go around. You're a day late and a dollar short.

Regarding spending?  He's not saying anything differently than Bachmann, Perry, or Romney. 

Regarding foreign policy?  Nobody agrees with him. 

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« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2011, 05:42:00 AM »
Regarding spending?  He's not saying anything differently than Bachmann, Perry, or Romney.  

Regarding foreign policy?  Nobody agrees with him.  

Lol So now RP  is just repeating what they are saying, instead of the other way around? You are a real comedian. I'll stick with the guy who doesn't say things when they the flavor of the year and understands what is at the core of the problem. RP is light years ahead of those sad candidates. Why do you always insist on being late to the party?

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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2011, 05:45:50 AM »
Paul is a non-factor. The top 4, as far as I'm concerned (in no particular order: Bachmann, Romney, Cain, and Perry) can easily match Paul's economic views; but they each CRUSH HIM on the social issues.

In fact, that's what makes this an easy sell for me. All of the social conservatives are also economic ones; so, despite what some try to paint, there is no "either/or" routine with regards to social vs. economic concerns.
You mean out hate him?

I agree. They are falling all over themselves to shore up the hate the gay vote. Pitiful fuckn spectacle.
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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 07:52:26 AM »
Lol So now RP  is just repeating what they are saying, instead of the other way around? You are a real comedian. I'll stick with the guy who doesn't say things when they the flavor of the year and understands what is at the core of the problem. RP is light years ahead of those sad candidates. Why do you always insist on being late to the party?

it'll be so cute, should RPaul miraculously win the nomination, for getbig's residential "conseravtives" to talk about how they've always loved RPaul's stance and consistency on things.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2011, 09:01:28 AM »
Lol So now RP  is just repeating what they are saying, instead of the other way around? You are a real comedian. I'll stick with the guy who doesn't say things when they the flavor of the year and understands what is at the core of the problem. RP is light years ahead of those sad candidates. Why do you always insist on being late to the party?

Not what I said.  I said he isn't saying anything differently than those three.  Who cares who said it first? 

Ron Paul is saying the right things, but he's also just a politician.  He voted against the stimulus, but asked for stimulus money after it passed.  He rails against government spending and waste, but asks for earmarks.  That doesn't make him a bad man.  Just means he's a politician and not some savior. 

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2011, 09:05:58 AM »
Lmao at 240.   Disagrees w rp on every issue but supports him.

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 11:55:41 AM »
Lmao at 240.   Disagrees w rp on every issue but supports him.

Which issues do I disagree with him on?  list them please.  "every issue" you said.. .that should be easy!

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 12:07:54 PM »
Which issues do I disagree with him on?  list them please.  "every issue" you said.. .that should be easy!

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=392540.msg5533322#msg5533322

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Re: Tea Party's Power Continues to Grow in GOP
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 12:11:02 PM »
what are RP's positions on each issue?  someone listed them yesterday.  I will tell you step by step which I agree with.   If it's not "every issue" as you stated, someone owes me some oral, pronto.