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Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« on: September 07, 2011, 07:02:23 AM »
Wed, Sep. 07, 2011
The real Reagan might not meet today's GOP standards
Mark Z. Barabak

LOS ANGELES — When eight Republican presidential candidates gather to debate Wednesday night in Simi Valley, one thing seems certain: Lavish tribute will be paid to Ronald Reagan.

That is fitting: The event is being held at Reagan's presidential library and burial ground, high on a bluff overlooking the Santa Susana Mountains.

It's also smart politics. Reagan has become a sainted figure in the GOP who, not incidentally, is the most successful and popular of the party's modern presidents.

But the Reagan reverie overlooks much of the Reagan reality.

As president, the conservative icon approved several tax increases to deal with a soaring budget deficit, repeatedly boosted the nation's debt limit, signed into law a bill granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants and, despite his anti-Washington rhetoric, oversaw an increase in the size and spending of the federal government. Before that, as California governor, he enacted what at the time was the largest state tax increase in American history. He also signed into law one of the nation's most permissive abortion bills. Any Republican who tried that today would be cast out of the party.

The fact that Reagan often took such actions speaks to what, by modern Republican standards, may be one of the greatest heresies of all: Reagan was a pragmatist, willing, when necessary, to cut a deal and compromise.

"He had a strong set of core values and operated off of those," said Stuart Spencer, a Republican strategist who stood by Reagan's side for virtually his entire political career, starting with his first run for governor. "But when push came to shove, he did various things he didn't like doing, because he knew it was in the best interests of the state or country at the time."

Spencer dismissed the current vogue of Reagan revisionism: "A lot of those people running out there don't really understand what he did. It's just a matter of attaching themselves to a winner."

Reagan's transformation from man to myth is, to some degree, calculated. The passage of time almost invariably casts a warm (or at least warmer) glow on recent past presidents. Thanks to their good works, Democrats Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter have risen in the public's esteem. Even Richard Nixon, who resigned in disgrace, has gained in opinion surveys.

In Reagan's case, there has been an orchestrated campaign over the past several years by acolytes eager to glorify his image and affix his name to as many public markers - airports, mountains, roads, bridges, buildings - as possible.

But Reagan is also celebrated because he achieved big things, both domestically, where he revived the nation's flagging self-confidence, and abroad, where he helped drive the Soviet Union to extinction.

After a deep and stubborn recession early on, the economy thrived for much of Reagan's two terms and, though partisans may debate the causes and the ultimate costs of that boomlet, those frothy times compare quite favorably with today's anxiety-ridden environment.

"It wasn't like pushing a button and the machine just took off," said Lou Cannon, a retired Washington Post reporter who wrote several books chronicling Reagan's career, starting with his two terms in Sacramento. "It took some calibration" - the top income tax rate was cut drastically while various tax breaks and loopholes ended - "but Reagan was practical and willing to calibrate."

Many also extol Reagan for his command of the presidency - both its power and trappings - in further contrast, they say, with the current occupant of the White House.

"He came into office with a strong set of principles and, with some digressions and a few failures, fought for them, represented them and stood by them," said Ken Khachigian, a former Reagan speechwriter and political strategist. (Reagan was also a fabulously gifted politician, even if that description made him blanch. "He had a way of seeming steadfast," Khachigian said, "even when he was bending.")

The Republican Party has obviously changed greatly since Reagan first ran for president in 1968, and even since he left office with a 63 percent approval rating in January 1989. It is hard to imagine a governor with Reagan's record on taxes and abortion faring very well in today's GOP, even if he did repudiate those positions.

Reagan's willingness to compromise has also fallen out of favor in a Republican Party fired up by its give-no-quarter tea party ranks.


"People that pragmatic now are what they call RINOs," said Spencer, using the epithet "Republican in Name Only" that is flung by keepers of the faith at those deemed less than pure.

If, however, the Reagan of real life seems less welcome on Wednesday night's debate stage than the Reagan the candidates are likely to conjure, not every admirer seems as ready to restyle the 40th president to suit today's political fashion.

"You can make someone so iconic and so near divine that you lose the essence of the man," said Craig Shirley, a longtime conservative strategist and Reagan biographer. "If you are faithful and you want to do the man justice, then you have to accept the whole body of knowledge," compromises and all.

"I don't think," Shirley said, "you should cherry-pick history."

Mark Z. Barabak writes for the Los Angeles Times.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 07:14:11 AM »
Reagan raised taxes AND turned tail and ran from terrorists who killed US Marines.

He would be laughed out of the Republican party.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 08:03:03 AM »
Reagan raised taxes AND turned tail and ran from terrorists who killed US Marines.

He would be laughed out of the Republican party.

Someone needs to bitch slap the taste out your mouth gaybear.



Reagan was ten times the man Barrack Husein Obunghole is.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 08:05:05 AM »
Reagan against Saddam/Ghadaffi/Bin Laden would have been epic..

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2011, 08:06:53 AM »
Reagan wouldn't put up with this bull shit for 5 minutes.....we need an ass kicker like him in office....not some wimp.......Nobama is on his way out.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2011, 08:09:58 AM »
Someone needs to bitch slap the taste out your mouth gaybear.



Reagan was ten times the man Barrack Husein Obunghole is.
Harder men than you have tried and it just doesn't take.

Nothing I've said is untrue. People like to rewrite history when hero worship comes into play, but the truth is easy to find.

After the Beirut bombing, Reagan packed it up and went home.


A suicide bomber detonated a truck full of explosives at a U.S. Marine barracks located at Beirut International Airport; 241 U.S. Marines were killed and more than 100 others wounded. They were part of a contingent of 1,800 Marines that had been sent to Lebanon as part of a multinational force to help separate the warring Lebanese factions. (Twice during the early 1980s the U.S. had deployed troops to Lebanon to deal with the fall-out from the 1982 Israeli invasion. In the first deployment, Marines helped oversee the peaceful withdrawal of the PLO from Beirut. In mid-September 1982 -- after the U.S. troops had left -- Israel's Lebanese allies massacred an estimated 800 unarmed Palestinian civilians remaining in refugee camps. Following this, 1,800 Marines had been ordered back into Lebanon.)

In his September 2001 FRONTLINE interview, Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said the U.S. still lacks "actual knowledge of who did the bombing" of the Marine barracks. But it suspected Hezbollah, believed to be supported in part by Iran and Syria. Hezbollah denied its involvement.

The president assembled his national security team to devise a plan of military action. The planned target was the Sheik Abdullah barracks in Baalbek, Lebanon, which housed Iranian Revolutionary Guards believed to be training Hezbollah fighters. Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger aborted the mission, reportedly because of his concerns that it would harm U.S. relations with other Arab nations. Instead, President Reagan ordered the battleship USS New Jersey, stationed off the coast of Lebanon, to the hills near Beirut. The move was seen as largely ineffective.

Four months after the Marine barracks bombing, U.S. Marines were ordered to start pulling out of Lebanon.

Read more: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/cron.html#ixzz1XHOuEVix
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 08:10:40 AM »
Reagan wouldn't put up with this bull shit for 5 minutes.....we need an ass kicker like him in office....not some wimp.......Nobama is on his way out.
You're literally not even worth arguing with.

You just don't know your history.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 08:13:43 AM »
This book will teach you a lot about the ME, especially the war in Lebanon. Of course, you can always just call the author a libtard and write off history, quite a preferred tactic on these boards.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 08:35:50 AM »
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2011, 08:44:32 AM »
You're literally not even worth arguing with.

You just don't know your history.
EXCUSE ME.....HAVE WE MET??? YOU MY FRIEND NEED TO GET WITH IT......IF YOU ARE DEFENDING NOBAMA??? BARACK COULDN'T CARRY REAGAN'S JOCK STRAP!!!

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2011, 09:34:31 AM »
your danm right i would !!!!!!!!regan for the win !!!

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 09:37:06 AM »
your danm right i would !!!!!!!!regan for the win !!!

I know right Regan is a hero. The man who took on the Russians. He was a tough son of a bitch. Zero is a pussy worst President we have ever had.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2011, 09:44:44 AM »
Cool site. Does it work in China?
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2011, 09:45:32 AM »
Cool site. Does it work in China?

what kinda question is that?  ;D

and thx! I always spam one post about my site in these offtopic political threads lol.

edit* "11 days, 11 hours and 13 minutes." damn, I just missed 111111

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2011, 09:46:19 AM »
Reagan wouldn't put up with this bull shit for 5 minutes.....we need an ass kicker like him in office....not some wimp.......Nobama is on his way out.

Who cares what you say, you're too short to vote.

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2011, 09:51:13 AM »
what kinda question is that?  ;D

and thx! I always spam one post about my site in these offtopic political threads lol.

edit* "11 days, 11 hours and 13 minutes." damn, I just missed 111111
Honest question. I'm moving to China next week and I'm curious if it works there.

They usually block anything that links to youtube, so I was wondering.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2011, 09:52:03 AM »
Honest question. I'm moving to China next week and I'm curious if it works there.

They usually block anything that links to youtube, so I was wondering.

Oh, sorry. I have no idea..

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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2011, 09:53:41 AM »
Well, unfortunately I probably won't be able to tell you if it is blocked.

Getbig was blocked last time I was there (one year ago). Unless I can get a proxy server set up.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2011, 09:56:16 AM »
Well, unfortunately I probably won't be able to tell you if it is blocked.

Getbig was blocked last time I was there (one year ago). Unless I can get a proxy server set up.




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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2011, 09:59:16 AM »
Last Real President we had.    No Teleprompter needed.    Best of my lifetime.  














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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2011, 09:59:34 AM »
 
Who cares what you say, you're too short to vote.
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Re: Would today's Republicans elect Ronald Reagan?
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2011, 10:00:32 AM »
If any of you pieces of communist shit wonder why Reagan is so beloved and well respected - this speech tells it all.