whats with the 'dont use till you get lean' advices.... makes no sense to me at all, why loose muscle putting your self in negative state to get lean, only to have to gain it all back when u go back on, wasting weeks building up what u already had
youd lean up much easier even taking a long ester test, long as your diet is good.... get bloated?, if so use natual diuretics such as dandilion root, or use armidex
and once you are lean... prop and tren are pretty much all you need, or even to start with in the 1st place