tren a or hgh

[trapz101]

i wanna cut down my bf to 8% before bulk up like gh15 said get lean before get big

should i use tren a for the purpose over hgh?

for tren a i will use 75mg eod, if hgh will be 4-6iu ed..for 8 weeks or so

so which one should i go?

now i'm at 14-15% 175lbs 5'8"

[nosleep]

IF GH ONLY FOR 8 WEEKS, GO FOR TREN.

[trapz101]

would it be good if i run eq with tren?

[Arnold jr]

You're taking two very different items and comparing them and asking which one is better. It's almost like asking "I need to drive from point A to point B, should I drive a car or choose the color purple?"

Obviously my example is much more extreme but I used an extreme example to illustrate a point.

[Schmoe Buster]

would it be good if i run eq with tren?

Yes

[trapz101]

You're taking two very different items and comparing them and asking which one is better. It's almost like asking "I need to drive from point A to point B, should I drive a car or choose the color purple?"

Obviously my example is much more extreme but I used an extreme example to illustrate a point.

my point is which one is better/worth more for fat loss

[Arnold jr]

Maybe I'm being a prick....it's not on purpose, I simply get frustrated with some of the questions so my apologies.

In the short run Tren-a is going to do more for you in-terms of fat loss and conditioning.

[trapz101]

that's all i need to know to get out of all the confusion,thanks guys !

[LittleJ]

that's all i need to know to get out of all the confusion,thanks guys !

Is this your first cycle? Why no test?

[trapz101]

i wanna get lean first,and test will bloat me,like my bro who did test when his bf is pretty high and he got bloated as fuck,and he's only taking 250mgs/week
i can still get to 11-12% naturally like i did few years back but it's just too exhausting and my life was literally lifting weights and cardio and diet 6-7 meals per day ,nowadays i got other priorities and my discipline is not that good these days 

[trapz101]

oh and maybe i will add test if i feel like i needed to..so no worries

[nasht5]

you HAVE to run some kind of test witht the tren because the tren will shutdown your natural test production. I see what your trying to accomplish so do this; 100mg of test prob eod. No bloat, no water retention & no estrogen conversion.

do you know about "tren cough" ?
do you know after a few wks on tren you will be paranoid?
do you know about the bad dreams you will have while on tren?
is the tren A you have 75mg per cc?

[BiGHer]

Run the tren.  It will lean you out and get you hard AND THEN when you blow up, put the GH in with the long esthers so you blow up full and lean!

[trapz101]

you HAVE to run some kind of test witht the tren because the tren will shutdown your natural test production. I see what your trying to accomplish so do this; 100mg of test prob eod. No bloat, no water retention & no estrogen conversion.

do you know about "tren cough" ?
do you know after a few wks on tren you will be paranoid?
do you know about the bad dreams you will have while on tren?
is the tren A you have 75mg per cc?

i'm aware about that and i will keep track of the progress with that dosage and probably will increase to 100mg if needed..
for test i will have test prop in hand..

[nosleep]

Run the tren.  It will lean you out and get you hard AND THEN when you blow up, put the GH in with the long esthers so you blow up full and lean!

100% BIBLE TALK RIGHT HERE.

[BiGHer]

100% BIBLE TALK RIGHT HERE.

Yes, yes it is.  Actually if everyone took the time to read the bible, a lot of these questions wouldn't be asked.

[nosleep]

Yes, yes it is.  Actually if everyone took the time to read the bible, a lot of these questions wouldn't be asked.

SEEMS TO BE SPOT ON SO FAR.

[old_lifter]

anyone have a link to the bible?

p.s gh15's bible not the other one full of lies

[Arnold jr]

you HAVE to run some kind of test witht the tren because the tren will shutdown your natural test production. I see what your trying to accomplish so do this; 100mg of test prob eod. No bloat, no water retention & no estrogen conversion.

do you know about "tren cough" ?
do you know after a few wks on tren you will be paranoid?
do you know about the bad dreams you will have while on tren?
is the tren A you have 75mg per cc?

Test-Prop aromatizes just like all other testosterones.

The side-effects you listed regarding Tren are very individualistic, very much. "Tren Cough" can happen with any injectable steroid, even simple testosterone but it can often simply be a little worse with Tren. Bad dream, paranoid, insomnia, rapid heart rate, anxiety, all that stuff is a person to person thing....some will experience some of it and some won't.

[BiGHer]

anyone have a link to the bible?

p.s gh15's bible not the other one full of lies

Go to gh15 and click "Read recent posts"... That's the bible... All 9000+ written replies to threads and threads started by him.  Some of it is useless and entertaining... some of it is invaluable info.  It's all the bible!

[old_lifter]

ok, i thought there was 1 main post. i have read most of his threads, but missed the whole pineapple juice thing, what's the deal

[BiGHer]

Pineapple juice=liver cleanse... better than liv. 52.

[nosleep]

Pineapple juice=liver cleanse... better than liv. 52.

YOUR GIRLFRIEND WILL LOVE U TO IF U DRINK UR PINEAPPLE JUICE.

[BiGHer]

YOUR GIRLFRIEND WILL LOVE U TO IF U DRINK UR PINEAPPLE JUICE.

This = FACT.  Pineapple juice makes everything taste good too.  Have your girl drink some and go down on her an hour later and see for yourself.

[claymore]

i wanna cut down my bf to 8% before bulk up like gh15 said get lean before get big

should i use tren a for the purpose over hgh?

for tren a i will use 75mg eod, if hgh will be 4-6iu ed..for 8 weeks or so

so which one should i go?

now i'm at 14-15% 175lbs 5'8"

"i wanna cut down my bf to 8% before bulk up like gh15 said get lean before get big

should i use tren a for the purpose over hgh?"...Neither, make sure your diet is on POINT !! and throw some cardio in the mix. I would use some EGCG, Pure ephedrine and some Caffeine, once you get to the desired bodyfat % then add whatever you'd like into the mix, keep a minimum of 30-45 min. of cardio daily. If wanting to stay very lean, i would go with these compounds:

NPP
EQ
Tren Acetate
Masteron