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Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« on: September 08, 2011, 09:29:15 AM »
Social Security is Not a Ponzi Scheme, Mr. Perry (It's Worse)
Reason ^ | 09/08/2011 | Sikha Dalmia




Rachel Maddow and her MSNBC guests are scandalized that Rick Perry stuck to his guns that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme during the presidential debate tonight. “This kind of rhetoric will hurt him in the general elections,” they reassured each other. They didn’t flat out say that Perry was wrong, but actually he is. Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme. It is much worse.

Here are three reasons why:

One, a Ponzi scheme collects money from new investors and uses it to pay  previous investors—minus a fee. But Social Security collects money from new investors, uses some of it to pay previous investors, and spends the surplus on programs for politically favored groups—minus the cost of supporting a massive bureaucracy. Over the years, trillions of dollars have been spent on these groups and bureaucrats.

Two, participation in Ponzi schemes is voluntary. Not so with Social Security. The government automatically withholds payroll taxes and “invests” them for you.

Three: When a Ponzi scheme can’t con new investors in sufficient numbers to pay the previous investors, it collapses. But when Social Security runs low on investors—also called poor working stiffs—it raises taxes. Indeed, Cato Institute’s Michael Tanner points out,

Social Security taxes have been raised some 40 times since the program began. The initial Social Security tax was 2 percent (split between the employer and employee), capped at $3,000 of earnings. That made for a maximum tax of $60. Today, the tax is 12.4 percent, capped at $106,800, for a maximum tax of $13,234. Even adjusting for inflation, that represents more than an 800 percent increase.

And given that the worker-to-retiree ratio is expected to fall from 3-1 today to 2-1 in 2030 (down from 16-1 in 1950) these taxes will only go up unless the government decides to kick retirees in their dentures and slash benefits.

Rick Perry should stop soft-peddling the issue and tell it like it is.



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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 09:35:06 AM »
It's going to be fun watching him defend that statement

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 09:35:51 AM »
If Ponzi was alive today, which party would be belong to? 

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 09:36:14 AM »
It's going to be fun watching him defend that statement


Peter Schiff got the Trustee of SS to admit its a ponzi scheme too.   Perry should justpost that interview and you liberal ostriches can choke on it.  

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 09:38:12 AM »
If Ponzi was alive today, which party would be belong to? 

Considering Madoff was a big Democrat donor, he probably would be a dem.   

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 09:38:27 AM »
Social Security is Not a Ponzi Scheme, Mr. Perry (It's Worse)
Reason ^ | 09/08/2011 | Sikha Dalmia




Rachel Maddow and her MSNBC guests are scandalized that Rick Perry stuck to his guns that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme during the presidential debate tonight. “This kind of rhetoric will hurt him in the general elections,” they reassured each other. They didn’t flat out say that Perry was wrong, but actually he is. Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme. It is much worse.

Here are three reasons why:

One, a Ponzi scheme collects money from new investors and uses it to pay  previous investors—minus a fee. But Social Security collects money from new investors, uses some of it to pay previous investors, and spends the surplus on programs for politically favored groups—minus the cost of supporting a massive bureaucracy. Over the years, trillions of dollars have been spent on these groups and bureaucrats.

Two, participation in Ponzi schemes is voluntary. Not so with Social Security. The government automatically withholds payroll taxes and “invests” them for you.

Three: When a Ponzi scheme can’t con new investors in sufficient numbers to pay the previous investors, it collapses. But when Social Security runs low on investors—also called poor working stiffs—it raises taxes. Indeed, Cato Institute’s Michael Tanner points out,

Social Security taxes have been raised some 40 times since the program began. The initial Social Security tax was 2 percent (split between the employer and employee), capped at $3,000 of earnings. That made for a maximum tax of $60. Today, the tax is 12.4 percent, capped at $106,800, for a maximum tax of $13,234. Even adjusting for inflation, that represents more than an 800 percent increase.

And given that the worker-to-retiree ratio is expected to fall from 3-1 today to 2-1 in 2030 (down from 16-1 in 1950) these taxes will only go up unless the government decides to kick retirees in their dentures and slash benefits.

Rick Perry should stop soft-peddling the issue and tell it like it is.




Social security needs to be voluntary. It always should have been.
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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 09:38:37 AM »
Peter Schiff got the Trustee of SS to admit its a ponzi scheme too.   Perry should justpost that interview and you liberal ostriches can choke on it.  

link?

wtf do you always have to be asked to provde a link

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 09:43:12 AM »
link?

wtf do you always have to be asked to provde a link


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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 09:49:45 AM »
Social security needs to be voluntary. It always should have been.

eh, you can't trust ppl in their 20s and 30s to plan for retirement.  it's why we needed it in the first place.  ppl don't plan ahead.  you have to make them.

same way a 5 year old kid might not WANT to go to kindergarten.  You make them -because otherwise you'll be taking care of them for the next 60 years.  it's just like that here.  Govt has to FORCE people to save, as they'll be coming to the govt for food and shelter and medicine at age 65 no matter what.

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 09:56:50 AM »
And you support ron paul why?

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 10:01:12 AM »


Schiff doesn't even spell this guys name correctly

what part of the 19 minute clip are you referring to so I can fast forward to that part

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 10:04:56 AM »
Lmao.  Listen the whole thing.

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2011, 10:05:47 AM »
And you support ron paul why?

i dont like bullies.

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2011, 10:06:34 AM »
Lmao.  Listen the whole thing.

no time

if you've actually listened to the clip then you know exactly where to go

tell me where it is or I'll assume it's false


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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 10:08:33 AM »
On my phone now.

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2011, 10:29:29 AM »
i dont like bullies.

I can't believe Perry did that. He clearly has no class.
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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2011, 01:25:24 PM »
Schiff doesn't even spell this guys name correctly

what part of the 19 minute clip are you referring to so I can fast forward to that part

Go to 10:00 on   "there are many similarities to how SS is financed to a ponzi scheme"  - quote

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2011, 01:35:45 PM »
Go to 10:00 on   "there are many similarities to how SS is financed to a ponzi scheme"  - quote

Similarities does not mean the same as. 



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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2011, 01:40:38 PM »
Similarities does not mean the same as. 





YEAH - BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO BUY INTO THIS MESS! 

The trustee also admits the so called trust fund is a fiction at the end.   

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2011, 01:44:29 PM »
YEAH - BECAUSE WE ARE FORCED TO BUY INTO THIS MESS! 

The trustee also admits the so called trust fund is a fiction at the end.   

Still does not mean the same as.  Sorry 333 the burden of proof has not been met.  Similarities are not the same as.  A white male may have similarities to a black male, does not make him the same as. 
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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2011, 01:47:10 PM »
Still does not mean the same as.  Sorry 333 the burden of proof has not been met.  Similarities are not the same as.  A white male may have similarities to a black male, does not make him the same as. 

Yawn - listen to the clip - he says the only difference between a ponzi scheme is intent. 

SS is the worst pyramid scam in the history of this country.   

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2011, 01:48:49 PM »
Rick perry is a ponzi scheme
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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2011, 01:50:58 PM »
Rick perry is a ponzi scheme

That may be true - but what he said is 100% accurate and the Trustee of SS confirms EVERYTHING I have ever claimed about SS. 

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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2011, 01:51:08 PM »
Yawn - listen to the clip - he says the only difference between a ponzi scheme is intent. 

SS is the worst pyramid scam in the history of this country.   

No he doesn't.  He says there are "strong similarities" and intent is one of the differences.  Schiff then jumps in and starts talking and trying corner him.  This approach does not work, and the conversation moves on.  

Perhaps if you listened instead of only heard what you wanted you could come up with a balanced, reasoned thought of your own.  

Is that too much to ask?  

Yes that is rhetorical because for you, it is too much to ask.
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Re: Rick Perry is right - SS is a ponzi scheme
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2011, 01:54:53 PM »
No he doesn't.  He says there are "strong similarities" and intent is one of the differences.  Schiff then jumps in and starts talking and trying corner him.  This approach does not work, and the conversation moves on.  

Perhaps if you listened instead of only heard what you wanted you could come up with a balanced, reasoned thought of your own.  

Is that too much to ask?  

Yes that is rhetorical because for you, it is too much to ask.


LMFAO!   


This is the trustee of the fucking program itself!   What do you think he is going to say!  Admit its a ponzi scam, which he basically did.   He also admitted the trust fund is a complete fiction.