Time to put the UAW Union in their place

[garebear]

You guys are right. As always, it's a big conspiracy.

When do these conspiracies complete? I mean, you find them all the time. Why hasn't one come true yet? Thousands of communist/ fascist/ Muslim conspiracies for decades and decades, why haven't they happened already?

[cjn1717]

I am apart of a Union and I see it day in day out the utter worthlessness that Unions offer.  People shut down during the week to save work for the weekend(Overtime)  Double time on Sunday.  In my union depending on Job classification you will top out anywhere from 33.00/hour to 38.00/hr.  Not too shabby given that engineers where I work start anywhere from 20 to 25 an hour.  But an uneducated man with a GED (Not all)  is making 38.00/ hr.  Now I do not have a problem with someone making money but the funny thing is 38/hr is still not enough. They still complain, they want more, they constantly go to war with the company who pays their bills because they "deserve" more.  Raises are outstanding.  A guaranteed 2.00 to 2.50/hr raise a year.  Do the math and see how may people are topped out at 38  within 5 to 10 years.  Talk about crippling a company.  Unions will be the utmost factor in the destruction of American Companies.  

[Muscleboy]

Im a Union Laborer outside Philly and make 24.85 an hour with health insurance/benefits and pension.  I bust my ass at work.  I will chip concrete, shovel rubble, even do "scab" work of putting of forms or mason work of finishing concrete.  Whatever they want. Do I not deserve to make a decent living?  Just because I couldnt afford college?  If my work wasnt union, I would be making 10.00 an hour to do the same work.  I wouldnt be able to live on my own or afford groceries.  Go into Walmart and ask the employees how their lives are.  Are they driving around in BMW's or 1987 Oldsmobiles?  They work different hours and different shifts, have shitty insurance or dont have it at all. 

Without Unions my company lay off everyone and bring Mexicans in for peanuts.  Most people that complain about Unions are people who went thru 4 years of school or more and make 35,000 a year on salary and have to work every weekend for "free".  Dont be mad because people like me can milk OVERTIME (something unions were responsible for in the first place) and I made 51,000 last year with a high school education.

By the way bitches, within the next two years I am moving up to Cement Mason and I will Be making 32 and change per hour

WITH UNIONS WE BARGAIN.......WITHOUT UNIONS WE BEG!!!

[WillGrant]

they are to be shared with the people who put forth the capital (debt and equity holders) to build the factories and buy the raw materials so that these unskilled laborers can have a job.

But without the workers they would get zip - it's a team effort and it should be shared evenly..

[AC Slater]

Im a Union Laborer outside Philly and make 24.85 an hour with health insurance/benefits and pension.  I bust my ass at work.  I will chip concrete, shovel rubble, even do "scab" work of putting of forms or mason work of finishing concrete.  Whatever they want. Do I not deserve to make a decent living?  Just because I couldnt afford college?  If my work wasnt union, I would be making 10.00 an hour to do the same work.  I wouldnt be able to live on my own or afford groceries.  Go into Walmart and ask the employees how their lives are.  Are they driving around in BMW's or 1987 Oldsmobiles?  They work different hours and different shifts, have shitty insurance or dont have it at all. 

Without Unions my company lay off everyone and bring Mexicans in for peanuts.  Most people that complain about Unions are people who went thru 4 years of school or more and make 35,000 a year on salary and have to work every weekend for "free".  Dont be mad because people like me can milk OVERTIME (something unions were responsible for in the first place) and I made 51,000 last year with a high school education.

By the way bitches, within the next two years I am moving up to Cement Mason and I will Be making 32 and change per hour

WITH UNIONS WE BARGAIN.......WITHOUT UNIONS WE BEG!!!

Precisely the problem.  You perform unskilled manual labor and think just because it is hard you should be entitled to a nice wage.  Anyone on this forum could do the same work you do with minimal training.  I used to work at sears in high school and made 6.40 per hour, and I wished there was a union to get me a decent wage.  After I went to college and became educated, I understood the reason I only made 6.40 per hour at Sears; it was unskilled labor and I could be replaced within a day.  If the Sears employees had a union, the prices the store charged would be higher and their business would suffer as a result.  Unions cripple companies.

[deadz]

You're clueless.. Get out on your own, get a job, pay taxes then you can spout off. Otherwise, shut your pie hole.

hahah thats what I keep telling the kid.

[Muscleboy]

Precisely the problem.  You perform unskilled manual labor and think just because it is hard you should be entitled to a nice wage.  Anyone on this forum could do the same work you do with minimal training.  I used to work at sears in high school and made 6.40 per hour, and I wished there was a union to get me a decent wage.  After I went to college and became educated, I understood the reason I only made 6.40 per hour at Sears; it was unskilled labor and I could be replaced within a day.  If the Sears employees had a union, the prices the store charged would be higher and their business would suffer as a result.  Unions cripple companies.

You wouldnt last one day doing what I do.  Your back would be hurting and as soon as your shirt as soaked in sweat you would cry to the foreman that you need to do something easier.  Your just mad that I make more money than you and I dont have any student loans to pay off for the next 30 years. 

[tbombz]

it really is sad how easily manipulated people are, big business has been funding the spread of economic propaganda for hundreds of years in this country, and pretty much all the people who would benefit from more socialist policies are convinced unregulated capitalism is the best way to go.

[tonymctones]

You wouldnt last one day doing what I do.  Your back would be hurting and as soon as your shirt as soaked in sweat you would cry to the foreman that you need to do something easier.  Your just mad that I make more money than you and I dont have any student loans to pay off for the next 30 years. 

LOL bro I worked for a construction company, started in landscape for them...IN FUCKING HOUSTON!!!! 100+ degree temps and humidity to boot...

you dont deserved to get paid what you get paid, and this is coming from someone who was in your shoes. Most everybody can do that work if they want to it takes no special skills other than being able to work hard.

You said you couldnt afford to go to college...BULL SHIT!!!.

You could have gotten college loans like I did, you could have paid out of pocket like Im doing now.

You made the choice not to go to college, now if youre moving up good on you bro and you should get paid more for having skills that are desirable.

[Fury]

it really is sad how easily manipulated people are, big business has been funding the spread of economic propaganda for hundreds of years in this country, and pretty much all the people who would benefit from more socialist policies are convinced unregulated capitalism is the best way to go.

You should tell that to all the workers down south at the Toyota and other foreign car plants as they've consistently told the UAW and other unions to go fuck themselves. Funny how they know a good thing when they see it yet a junior college moron like yourself thinks he knows better.

If unions are as amazing as you say why do those people continually vote them down?

[tonymctones]

it really is sad how easily manipulated people are, big business has been funding the spread of economic propaganda for hundreds of years in this country, and pretty much all the people who would benefit from more socialist policies are convinced unregulated capitalism is the best way to go.

LOL the difference is some ppl still respect a honest days work and not taking something you didnt earn.

I dont think anyone is yearning for no regulation, just more sensible regulation that prevents and isnt a knee jerk reaction that causes even more problems then they solve.

[tonymctones]

But without the workers they would get zip - it's a team effort and it should be shared evenly..

the difference is that there are a vast number of qualified applicants for jobs that dont require alot of specialized skills. They would simply go out and hire other workers for half the cost to do the same job. This isnt a rant against workers, this is a rant again unions and overpaid, over compensated workers.

No it doesnt deserve to be shared equally, you have ppl who have put in millions into these companies taken risks that could ruin them. Then you have ppl who use the equipment that those ppl paid for to produce goods.

The investors are risking capital, what are the workers risking?

[tbombz]

You should tell that to all the workers down south at the Toyota and other foreign car plants as they've consistently told the UAW and other unions to go fuck themselves. Funny how they know a good thing when they see it yet a junior college moron like yourself thinks he knows better.

If unions are as amazing as you say why do those people continually vote them down?

was i promoting UAW or even unionization in general?

LOL the difference is some ppl still respect a honest days work and not taking something you didnt earn.

I dont think anyone is yearning for no regulation, just more sensible regulation that prevents and isnt a knee jerk reaction that causes even more problems then they solve.

respecting an honest days work. absolutely. now your beginning to understand. any human being who does honest work full time should make enough money to support themselves and their children.  you cant support a family on minimum wage.

taking something you didnt earn? how did this shift into a discussion about welfare? 

this is something conservatives just dont seem to get. you deserve what yu earn and you earn things trough labor, through work, through effort.  the "owners of capital", the ultra rich, the big businesses.. all the fat cats at the top of the ladder... they dont do jack shit. they dont deserve all that wealth. they deserve their fair share, nothing more. if your an extremely well educated individual who happens to bring a bunch of value to a company through managerial duties then sure, you are worth a bit more than the "unskilled" laborer who does physical work all day long.  without laborers, without "unskilled" labor even, there is no economy, there is no money to be made, no money to be spent.  everything depends on the people, on the workforce, on the consumers.  supply side economics is like wiping before you shit.

[Muscleboy]

People should support people of their job choice and income.  No jealousy.  I respect nurses who have 2year degrees that make over 100,000.  I respect 4 year college graduates who work as bartenders because they cant find anything better.  Whatever you got to do to put food on the table.  I went to college at University of Delaware for one semester for Mechanical Engineering and when I saw that I owed 4000 for that one semester, I said Fuck this.  Id rather work with my hands.  Working in an office setting has too much backstabbing, talking smack, and other bullshit.  Think about it.  A college degree is becoming like a high school deploma.  Worthless.  Shit, their is more college grads right now than college grad jobs.  It will only get worse in the next ten years.  You will have to have a Masters degree to even get a job interview.  No one wants to do manual labor work.  Thats why jobs for building buildings, bridges, highways, etc.  Will never become disfunct.  I work around guys out of jail, guys with 6 kids and a GED, Meth heads.  All of us got new cars, 400,000 houses (not me yet but i got a mortgage on my place), and live confortable.  Thats the way America SHOULD be!!!

[AC Slater]

You wouldnt last one day doing what I do.  Your back would be hurting and as soon as your shirt as soaked in sweat you would cry to the foreman that you need to do something easier.  Your just mad that I make more money than you and I dont have any student loans to pay off for the next 30 years. 

You don't make more money than me pal.  MBA in Finance, BS in Mathematics, and an outstanding SAS programmer.  I sit in an air conditioned office and take my 6 figures.

[Bindare_Dundat]

do share holders particpate in the labor necessary to produce and make a profit?

You really are one stupid fuck.

[Bindare_Dundat]

Im a Union Laborer outside Philly and make 24.85 an hour with health insurance/benefits and pension.  I bust my ass at work.  I will chip concrete, shovel rubble, even do "scab" work of putting of forms or mason work of finishing concrete.  Whatever they want. Do I not deserve to make a decent living?  Just because I couldnt afford college?  If my work wasnt union, I would be making 10.00 an hour to do the same work.  I wouldnt be able to live on my own or afford groceries.  Go into Walmart and ask the employees how their lives are.  Are they driving around in BMW's or 1987 Oldsmobiles?  They work different hours and different shifts, have shitty insurance or dont have it at all.  

Without Unions my company lay off everyone and bring Mexicans in for peanuts.  Most people that complain about Unions are people who went thru 4 years of school or more and make 35,000 a year on salary and have to work every weekend for "free".  Dont be mad because people like me can milk OVERTIME (something unions were responsible for in the first place) and I made 51,000 last year with a high school education.

By the way bitches, within the next two years I am moving up to Cement Mason and I will Be making 32 and change per hour

WITH UNIONS WE BARGAIN.......WITHOUT UNIONS WE BEG!!!

I know guys that do work concrete forming and aren't in a union, they make way more then ten bucks like you suggested, in fact they make more then you.

[Bindare_Dundat]

You wouldnt last one day doing what I do.  Your back would be hurting and as soon as your shirt as soaked in sweat you would cry to the foreman that you need to do something easier.  Your just mad that I make more money than you and I dont have any student loans to pay off for the next 30 years. 

You just have thirty years of breaking your back and living like a twisted old man when you retire. Congrats.

[tonymctones]

was i promoting UAW or even unionization in general?


respecting an honest days work. absolutely. now your beginning to understand. any human being who does honest work full time should make enough money to support themselves and their children.  you cant support a family on minimum wage.

taking something you didnt earn? how did this shift into a discussion about welfare? 

this is something conservatives just dont seem to get. you deserve what yu earn and you earn things trough labor, through work, through effort.  the "owners of capital", the ultra rich, the big businesses.. all the fat cats at the top of the ladder... they dont do jack shit. they dont deserve all that wealth. they deserve their fair share, nothing more. if your an extremely well educated individual who happens to bring a bunch of value to a company through managerial duties then sure, you are worth a bit more than the "unskilled" laborer who does physical work all day long.  without laborers, without "unskilled" labor even, there is no economy, there is no money to be made, no money to be spent.  everything depends on the people, on the workforce, on the consumers.  supply side economics is like wiping before you shit.

LOL it was in response to your socialism comment you idiot....

LOL so CEO's, CFO's, VP's etc only deserve to make a "little bit" more than some guy walking in off the street to work in an assembly line?

LMFAO by the same token you jack ass without the company the workers would have no job.

AGAIN the investors are risking capital, WHAT ARE THE WORKERS RISKING?

[tonymctones]

Ask yourself this question dizzle

If an assembly line worker only makes a little bit less than the CEO, VP, CFO, Upper management then why would anybody want to get the education that YES IS REQUIRED to do those jobs and assume THE RISKS associate with those jobs?

you know CEO's, CFO'S, VP's etc can go to jail for decisions they make?

you know its their names on documents for the company?

shit if that was the case i would go do mindless work right along side the assembly workers.

Fact is you do need special education to do certain jobs and those ppl have to get paid more b/c if they dont THEY WILL LEAVE!!!

if they leave it takes a while to find another qualified candidate. If a factory leaves, it takes A LOT less time to find another qualified candidate.

Thats why ppl with special skills get paid more, ppl on the factory line cant do the job of a CFO broham no matter how much you want it to be true.

[Muscleboy]

I know guys that do work concrete forming and aren't in a union, they make way more then ten bucks like you suggested, in fact they make more then you.

My dad is a non union welder in Wilmington Delaware.  Hes been working at the same company since 1987 and makes 2 dollars less than I do when I started my union job.  Freaking sucks.  Without unions, they dont have to give pay raises.  Is Concrete work tough.  It can be.  In the summers Im dirty with concrete dust and sweat all over.  The winters are freezing cold, and truthfully, I would rather be laid off in the winter and collect my 600 a week in New Jersey Unemployment.  Going to get myself laid off before Christmas because Im going to Brasil for 3 weeks.  Guys at my job who dont take care of themselves are chain smokers, fat, pill heads, etc.  But at my gym I see alot of guys coming in with suits and ties, khakis, and they are 40 lbs overweight because they sit behind a desk all day.  Its about what you enjoy.  I dont hate going to work, I actually for the most part like it.  Do I see myself lasting into my fifties doing this work.  Not as a laborer, but maybe as a cement mason because they do more of the finesse work.  Guys try to get their 25 years and retire with a pension.  I should be able to retire at 49. 

[tbombz]

LOL it was in response to your socialism comment you idiot....

LOL so CEO's, CFO's, VP's etc only deserve to make a "little bit" more than some guy walking in off the street to work in an assembly line?

LMFAO by the same token you jack ass without the company the workers would have no job.

AGAIN the investors are risking capital, WHAT ARE THE WORKERS RISKING?

WHERE DID THEY GET ALL THAT CAPITAL TO BEGIN WITH? MOST OF THE PLANETS WEALTH IS INHERETED, NOT EARNED.

WHAT ARE THE WORKERS RISKING? WHAT ARE THE WORKERS SACRIFICING IS THE CORRECT QUESTION. BETTER YET... WHAT ARE THE INVESTORS RISKING? SURE MAYBE MILLIONS,  BUT AS A % OF THEIR TOTAL WORTH ?  OK SO ITS POSSIBLE ITS THEIR ENTIRE NET WORTH.. AND EVEN THEN.. WHAT ARE THEY RISKING.. THEY ARE RISKING LOSING THEIR LIFE OF LUXURY AND HAVING TO RESORT TO THE LIFE OF THE AVERAGE MAN, THE LABORER WHO MADE THEM AL THAT MONEY TO BEGIN WITH... YA, BIG RISK 

Ask yourself this question dizzle

If an assembly line worker only makes a little bit less than the CEO, VP, CFO, Upper management then why would anybody want to get the education that YES IS REQUIRED to do those jobs and assume THE RISKS associate with those jobs?

you know CEO's, CFO'S, VP's etc can go to jail for decisions they make?

you know its their names on documents for the company?

shit if that was the case i would go do mindless work right along side the assembly workers.

Fact is you do need special education to do certain jobs and those ppl have to get paid more b/c if they dont THEY WILL LEAVE!!!

if they leave it takes a while to find another qualified candidate. If a factory leaves, it takes A LOT less time to find another qualified candidate.

Thats why ppl with special skills get paid more, ppl on the factory line cant do the job of a CFO broham no matter how much you want it to be true.

PEOPLE WITH SKILLS DESERVE MORE THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT, ABSOLUTELY.. BUT THE MARGIN BETWEEN THEIR PAY SHOULD NEVER BE MORE THAN SAY 100-200%..  WE HAVE CEOS MAKING 10,000% MORE THAN THE LABORERS AND EVEN MORE IN SOME SITUATIONS... COMPLETELY UNFAIR

WHATS THE VALUE IN GETTING AN EDUCATION IF YOUR ONLY GOING TO GET PAID A LITTKLE BIT MORE THAN THE LABORERS? UMM... YOU GET TO SIT IN AN OFFICE ALL DAY FEELING IMPORTANT MAKING DECISIONS INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT YOUR TOLD OUT IN A FACTORY DOING MANUAL LABOR... YA, THATS A HUGE BENEFIT YOU DUMB FUCK


YOU CONSERVATIVE FUCKHEADS ARE TRULY SIMPLE

[tbombz]

before anyone else replies... this is a fact you must know..    all value is created through labor

[Roger Bacon]

before anyone else replies... this is a fact you must know..    all value is created through labor

Cool, let management disappear for a few weeks and see how much value is created.

[tbombz]

Cool, let management disappear for a few weeks and see how much value is created.

management is part of the labor process, a small part that directs the rest of the labor, the real work is not done by management