Why was the military getting so much credit on the 9/11 anniversary?

[dr.chimps]

The military marketing machine managed to now make 9/11 a way to promote themselves.  They are the biggest attention whores of them all.

You should have seen some of these "elite" fat, young, moron soldiers they had on TV that the newscaster were honoring.  It is drivel.  Horrible exploitation of others deaths to make themselves seem too important.

The fact is the military is killing the US financial system and is the biggest jobs program the gov't has now.  reducing the military means losing jobs and no politician wants to touch that.  They created this creepy monopoly.

The Army spends hundreds of millions a year in advertising alone.  Not on weapons, not on protecting our "freedom" but on fucking commericials during the superbowl, paying $25 MILLION a year to sponsor a NASCAR, and other shit.  They are milking this country dry.

Then you have these uneducated high school dropouts getting honored like they are special.  Fuck that shit.

The military slice of the budget pie, must be maintained, and increased whenever possible. Heck, Eisenhower warned of the ever-growing 'Military Industrial' complex when exiting office. No one has really seemed up to the task of doing anything about it. Just so much gravy to be had.

[no one]

if 9/11 went down the way the way american government wants you to think it went down there'd be nothing to question- its the truth- the truth is never shady. but because what they are selling the public is complete bullshit, then of course people are going to question it.

[dr.chimps]

if 9/11 went down the way the way american government wants you to think it went down there'd be nothing to question- its the truth- the truth is never shady. but because what they are selling the public is complete bullshit, then of course people are going to question it.

Patriotism trumps truth. 

[240 is Back]

Wait,  youre saying the plane that went down over shanksville was in fact, shot down out of the air?

Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said it.

ALso the debris field was spread over EIGHT MILES.  That is what happens when planes explode at high altitudes.

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Sec of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said it.

ALso the debris field was spread over EIGHT MILES.  That is what happens when planes explode at high altitudes.

Interesting.

That was not the official story in the 9/11 commission, was it?

[240 is Back]

Interesting.

That was not the official story in the 9/11 commission, was it?

Goodness no.

But again, it's like TIllman, Jessica Lynch, and others- Our leaders decide it's better for the national cause to have these stories of hope and patriotism.

DId it help the war effort and get a few extra ten thousand people to enlist?  you bet.  Did it ramp up the 911 Red Cross donations?  Surely that "lets's roll" story did.  But the evidence, Rumsfeld, and the early helicopter footage of scene (followed by blanketing off everything so nobody could see anything) tell the story.

And sadly, if we ran america, we would probably lie the same way - for the greater good.

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Goodness no.

But again, it's like TIllman, Jessica Lynch, and others- Our leaders decide it's better for the national cause to have these stories of hope and patriotism.

DId it help the war effort and get a few extra ten thousand people to enlist?  you bet.  Did it ramp up the 911 Red Cross donations?  Surely that "lets's roll" story did.  But the evidence, Rumsfeld, and the early helicopter footage of scene (followed by blanketing off everything so nobody could see anything) tell the story.

And sadly, if we ran america, we would probably lie the same way - for the greater good.

Can you link me to rumsfeld's quote?

[240 is Back]

Can you link me to rumsfeld's quote?

In a candid moment in front of U.S. troops, Donald Rumsfeld strays from the official story of heroic passengers flying fight 93 into the ground by saying it was "shot down."
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[Grape Ape]

He doesn't say the military shot it down.  He's talking in the context of terrorists bringing it down.

[240 is Back]

He doesn't say the military shot it down.  He's talking in the context of terrorists bringing it down.

He used the word "shot down".

We are all welcome to interpret it any way we please.  When you add in the debris field over 8 miles, well, I tend to take his words to mean shot down.

I could be wrong, of course.

[Grape Ape]

He used the word "shot down".

We are all welcome to interpret it any way we please.  When you add in the debris field over 8 miles, well, I tend to take his words to mean shot down.

I could be wrong, of course.

There is no doubt he is referring to terrorists destroying the plane, as it is mentioned in the middle of the list of terrorist acts.

[2ND COMING]

He used the word "shot down".

We are all welcome to interpret it any way we please.  When you add in the debris field over 8 miles, well, I tend to take his words to mean shot down.

I could be wrong, of course.

Sigh.  

Thanks i guess.

[BILL ANVIL]

He doesn't say the military shot it down.  He's talking in the context of terrorists bringing it down.

How do you know that? The facts and evidence, and lack of footage or media coverage at the crash site absolutely suggest that mofo was shot out of mid air.

Flicking through the channels last night, I stopped at the SPEED network for a few minutes just to watch some stupid redneck show called Pass Time just because Im a car junkie. And honestly I couldnt watch 5 more minutes of it purely because of the ridiculous non stop Army advertisements (signs and symbols) constantly on camera in between the action. They must of showed the US Army symbol half a dozen times in only a few minutes. Simple farm boys who watch this and have only a family run business or farm to look forward to in the future see the army as a way out of the boring and depressing small town life. They have this US Army blurb imprinted in their brains from the subliminal BS they see on their favorite NASCAR or UFC fighter's shorts and they go for the bait.

The SPEED Network targets the audience of young men 18- 25 who live in rural areas and most of them haven't been out into the real world yet or outside the US and are fairly naive and super chauvinistic, they are perfect potential drones to mold. SPIKE TV is another massive super corporation with the same youth targeting propaganda policies. Very sad world we live in.

[che]

The  firemen and cops were the real heroes.

No they weren't, they were doing their job , that's what they get paid for , same thing with the military .

[240 is Back]

How do you know that? The facts and evidence, and lack of footage or media coverage at the crash site absolutely suggest that mofo was shot out of mid air.

it's pretty unlikely that the secretary of defense would mix up his words and use words like "SHOT DOWN" accidentally.

The 911 report said the place nosedived and crashed on impact, and the reason none of the debris was at the crash site?  It all sank into an underground mine shaft.  

Because the debris fields were separate, rather than continuous, it is likely that they were produced by two separate incidents. type of debris is consistent with a pair of strikes by 20-mm cannon fire from an Air Force interceptor. fact that there are debris fields so far from the impact point indicates that the incidents occurred while the plane was still in flight. That differs significantly from the government-sponsored story that the airliner was damaged entirely by the crash impact.

[240 is Back]

While we can all argue "was 911 an inside job" for the next 50 years, we may never know.

However, it's pretty well documented the plane was probably shot up before landed.  Witnesses to a final explosion and lots of falling debris.  

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kovach/051012  <=Written by a decorated navy vet

Read that.  Lots of documentation and other items.  F-15s strafed the plane with gunfire in 2 incidents, then finally took it down as it approached cities.
If you spend 60 seconds skimming that, and still believe the plane nosedived without being shot up, I'll be shocked.

[quadzilla456]

yeah, it's about protecting our standard of living, very much so.  You gotta throw the morals out.  We got our independence from UK, and we were pwning african tripoli for their rubber supplies by 1805, I believe.  COLONIALISM.  It's how the world has and always will work.  HOwever, since the internet is around to reveal what we're doing, we have to paint it with "WMD" and "communism" and every other "ism" around.

But what standards? Detroit looks like a bomb went off. Our roads are crumbling. The Space program is virtually dismantled. So much for protecting the standards. The only thing protected was the interests of the elite. Thanks a lot fuckers!

[Dr Dutch]

But if it's certain the plane is on its way to hit the White House, killing the passengers plus people on the ground, it makes sense to shoot it in the air...

[240 is Back]

But if it's certain the plane is on its way to hit the White House, killing the passengers plus people on the ground, it makes sense to shoot it in the air...

agreed, which is why most skeptics just kinda roll with this part of the story.  had to do it.  didn't have to lie tho.

[mass243]

But if it's certain the plane is on its way to hit the White House, killing the passengers plus people on the ground, it makes sense to shoot it in the air...

Yes.

I investigated this little more and seems like Superpowers can shoot passenger planes down if they want.

Here is example from goooood ol' USSR:





Haha, shot down point blank in 1983 because it got too close     Didn't give a shit.

62 Americans also died in it. among many many others  

[Grape Ape]

How do you know that? The facts and evidence, and lack of footage or media coverage at the crash site absolutely suggest that mofo was shot out of mid air.

I didn't say whether or not the plane was shot down. I said if you listen to Rumsfeld's comments, he was listing acts of terrorism, the plane in question being one of them.  He said "imagine a world where if the people responsible for...." and listed all the acts.

So, he made a mistake, but it's not cut and dry which mistake he made.  He either got the method (shot down) right, and the source (terrorists) wrong, or the method (shot down) wrong, and the source (Terrorists) right.

240 said it was unlikely that he could mix up his words, but it's obvious that he did.  It just depends on which words you believe he mixed up.

[crownshep]

Don`t know if you can watch this 240 on the BBC i player,but this was shown last week in the UK,and the explanation for why there was just a hole in the ground was that the hole was that deep,the sides caved in and buried the plane.If that was the case,then why not just dig it out.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b014gpjx/9_11_Conspiracy_Road_Trip/

[Bad Boy Dazza]

But doesn't president Obama want to welcome all the illegal Mexicans?

American military is a joke. Wasting time and money in shitty 3rd world countries that have nothing to do with them while Mexican and other immigrants invade the Borders daily. Look after your own country first, then worry about kurdiakistan

[calfzilla]

Well if the military shot the plane down then wouldn't that mean that 9/11 was not an inside job?

[HUGEPECS]

because they're still in the line of fire for some of you ungrateful americans