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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2011, 07:10:22 PM »
are you really that stupid?  You think he was suggesting that the patient goes to a church for care ::)
He brought up the Churches taking care of the people several times.

What am I to assume then?  Churches involved in Healthcare.  This is the dumbest fucking thing Poop Paul has ever advocated.

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Re: Sick dumbfucks: Tea Party Crowd Cheers Letting Uninsured Die
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2011, 07:11:17 PM »
The uninsured don't die now under our current system even before Obamacare, so what's the point you are trying to make?

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2011, 07:14:16 PM »
I can see it now, Americans lining up before the Sunday Service begging for Healthcare.  Good Plan Poop Paul.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2011, 07:14:41 PM »
of course not.

i think the repub camps made that one of their limited available dates in order to minimize their exposure.  This is an extremist debate, with tea party Qs about auditing fwds, etc.  They DO NOT want this on a more national stage.  Minimize it by agreeing to debate on one of the biggest football nights of the year.

Rob, what was your take on Rick Perry and the HPV issue and how is that going to affect him going forward? He looked really tense and almost angry at time...exaggerated facial expressions and things of that nature.

A few of the other candidates were really going after him on the HPV and illegal immigration issue though...He must of felt like Sonny Corleone at the toll booth!!


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Re: Sick dumbfucks: Tea Party Crowd Cheers Letting Uninsured Die
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2011, 07:16:02 PM »
eh, it's not like they dont cheer executions either.

chickenhawks priding themselves on just how heartless they are, while clutching a bible.

Repubs are usually christians

It's one thing to be in favor of capital punishment but something quite different to cheer about executions

shit, if it wasn't for capital punishment we wouldn't have Easter

maybe that's the connection

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2011, 07:16:27 PM »
He brought up the Churches taking care of the people several times.

What am I to assume then?  Churches involved in Healthcare.  This is the dumbest fucking thing Poop Paul has ever advocated.

Except that's not what he was advocating. In your zealous attempt to twist this into something it was not you fail to admit the very premise of his statement: take personal responsibility for yourself and stop expecting government to nut cup you your entire life.

Same liberal socialist bullshit that has been driving our country into the shitter for the past 50 years.  Your ideals aren't working, get over it.

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Re: Sick dumbfucks: Tea Party Crowd Cheers Letting Uninsured Die
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2011, 07:18:11 PM »
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage
Uninsured, working-age Americans have 40 percent higher death risk than privately insured counterparts

By David Cecere
Cambridge Health Alliance
Thursday, September 17, 2009

Nearly 45,000 annual deaths are
associated with lack of health insurance, according to a new study published
online today by the American Journal
of Public Health. That figure is about two and a half times higher than an
estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) in 2002.
The study, conducted at Harvard Medical School and Cambridge Health Alliance,
found that uninsured, working-age Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of
death than their privately insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess
death rate found in 1993.
“The uninsured have a higher risk of death when compared to the privately
insured, even after taking into account socioeconomics, health behaviors, and
baseline health,” said lead author Andrew Wilper, M.D., who currently teaches
at the University of Washington School of Medicine. “We doctors have many new
ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes, and heart disease — but
only if patients can get into our offices and afford their medications.”
The study, which analyzed data from national surveys carried out by the Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), assessed death rates after taking
into account education, income, and many other factors, including smoking,
drinking, and obesity. It estimated that lack of health insurance causes 44,789
excess deaths annually.
Previous estimates from the IOM and others had put that figure near 18,000. The
methods used in the current study were similar to those employed by the IOM in
2002, which in turn were based on a pioneering 1993 study of health insurance
and mortality.
Deaths associated with lack of health insurance now exceed those caused by many
common killers such as kidney disease. An increase in the number of uninsured
and an eroding medical safety net for the disadvantaged likely explain the
substantial increase in the number of deaths, as the uninsured are more likely
to go without needed care. Another factor contributing to the widening gap in
the risk of death between those who have insurance and those who do not is the
improved quality of care for those who can get it.
The researchers analyzed U.S. adults under age 65 who participated in the
annual National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys (NHANES) between 1986
and 1994. Respondents first answered detailed questions about their
socioeconomic status and health and were then examined by physicians. The CDC
tracked study participants to see who died by 2000.
The study found a 40 percent increased risk of death among the uninsured. As
expected, death rates were also higher for males (37 percent increase), current
or former smokers (102 percent and 42 percent increases), people who said that
their health was fair or poor (126 percent increase), and those who examining
physicians said were in fair or poor health (222 percent increase).
Steffie Woolhandler, study
co-author, professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and a primary care
physician at Cambridge Health Alliance, noted: “Historically, every other
developed nation has achieved universal health care through some form of
nonprofit national health insurance. Our failure to do so means that all
Americans pay higher health care costs, and 45,000 pay with their lives.”
“The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American
dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance,” remarked David
Himmelstein, study co-author, associate professor of medicine at Harvard
Medical School, and a primary care physician at Cambridge Health Alliance.
“Even this grim figure is an underestimate — now one dies every 12 minutes.”
Other authors include Karen E.
Lasser, Danny McCormick, David H. Bor, and David U. Himmelstein. The study was
supported by a National Service Research Award.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2011, 07:20:39 PM »
wow, you are that stupid.  Points made that medicare and the like raises the cost of healthcare, during Paul's time, before this, the community and church or whatever could raise the funds to pay for care if it was needed in unfortunate cases.  Now it's so high at best a community can only usually raise a portion of extensive healthcare needs for case like that.  He wasn't suggesting the church provide the actual care dummy.  He was advocating responibility and pointing out that the system as is now unjustly raises the costs.
Why does he keep mentioning Churches in Healthcare related Questions.  Obviously he wants them to play some sort of role.  What role is it?  

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2011, 07:20:55 PM »
He brought up the Churches taking care of the people several times.

What am I to assume then?  Churches involved in Healthcare.  This is the dumbest fucking thing Poop Paul has ever advocated.
wow, you are that stupid.  Points made that medicare and the like raises the cost of healthcare, during Paul's time, before this, the community and church or whatever could raise the funds to pay for care if it was needed in unfortunate cases.  Now it's so high at best a community can only usually raise a portion of extensive healthcare needs for case like that.  He wasn't suggesting the church provide the actual care dummy.  He was advocating responibility and pointing out that the system as is now unjustly raises the costs.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2011, 07:21:35 PM »
Ron Poop is going nowhere anyways.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2011, 07:22:02 PM »
Why does he keep mentioning Churches in Healthcare related Questions.  Obviously he wants them to play some sort of role.  What role is it?  
I just told you why... If you actually think Paul wants people to go to churches for actual healthcare, you're the dumbest person alive.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2011, 07:23:48 PM »
Ron Poop is going nowhere anyways.
no wonder with all the people like you misrepresenting his stances.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2011, 07:25:40 PM »
Rob, what was your take on Rick Perry and the HPV issue and how is that going to affect him going forward? He looked really tense and almost angry at time...exaggerated facial expressions and things of that nature.


A few thoughts-

It triggers his anger.  He's been visually pissed off at both debates - Would the leader prefer cool & collected, or angry?

2) His current money man/PAC leader made a shitload of money as the merek rep (he set up the deal for the only company that could do the vaccinations in TX) after serving as Perry's chief of staff as Gov.  -   So he absolutely made $ on this required vaccinations thing.

3) For a guy who wants the govt to stay the hell out of their lives - forcing them to take untested shots at $350 a pop doesn't make much sense.  And to FOCE IT on people with an executive order?  


Sorry, it's an instant pay-for-play move for a bill that violates rights, and he rammed it down throats.  Eleven-year old texas girls had to get this dangerous shot - and the legislature in tx of BOTH parties OVERTURNED IT.   YES YES YES, that's right, repubs AND DEMS rejected this shitty move by Perry.

THey SHOULD hammer him on it.  If Obama was shoving vaccinations down our threat, repubs would be a LOT louder about it ;)

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2011, 07:25:58 PM »
I just told you why... If you actually think Paul wants people to go to churches for actual healthcare, you're the dumbest person alive.
You didn`t explain anything.  

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ROFLMAOOOOOO What did he just say?
« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2011, 07:29:25 PM »

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #40 on: September 12, 2011, 07:34:11 PM »
"Romney & Perry shot each other in the foot tonight" - CNN

Huntsman called them on it too.  Bachmann getting credit for the win tonight.  Romney and Perry are BOTH fucking lib shady crooks.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #41 on: September 12, 2011, 07:34:34 PM »
You didn`t explain anything.  
to hell I didn't, learn to read jackass.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #42 on: September 12, 2011, 07:36:47 PM »

A few thoughts-

It triggers his anger.  He's been visually pissed off at both debates - Would the leader prefer cool & collected, or angry?

2) His current money man/PAC leader made a shitload of money as the merek rep (he set up the deal for the only company that could do the vaccinations in TX) after serving as Perry's chief of staff as Gov.  -   So he absolutely made $ on this required vaccinations thing.

3) For a guy who wants the govt to stay the hell out of their lives - forcing them to take untested shots at $350 a pop doesn't make much sense.  And to FOCE IT on people with an executive order?  


Sorry, it's an instant pay-for-play move for a bill that violates rights, and he rammed it down throats.  Eleven-year old texas girls had to get this dangerous shot - and the legislature in tx of BOTH parties OVERTURNED IT.   YES YES YES, that's right, repubs AND DEMS rejected this shitty move by Perry.

THey SHOULD hammer him on it.  If Obama was shoving vaccinations down our threat, repubs would be a LOT louder about it ;)
HPV shot is NOT dangerous.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #43 on: September 12, 2011, 07:36:50 PM »
Perry is like a really good Dubya impersonator.  

He stops mid-sentence to smirk.  He's like a male Palin.  Really.

He made shit up a lot tonight, Politifact and CBO has already verified.  "The stim bill created zero jobs" followed by how many jobs he created in his own state with - wait for it - stimulus money ;)


Perry loves tax cuts - but 40% of the stim bill WAS TAX CUTS, YOU DUMB CNUTS.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #44 on: September 12, 2011, 07:38:23 PM »
HPV shot is NOT dangerous.

then Perry and his merek employee/chief of staff (and current PAC money manager) should have went to the state legislature.

Instead, Perry issued an EXEC ORDER for it.

We can all agree that it's a very invasive and liberal move to require people to get shots for the greater good.  These are NOT tea party tenets - that's something we'd expect to hear from obama, ya know?  Clearly an anti-tea party move on Perry's part.

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2011, 07:38:58 PM »
to hell I didn't, learn to read jackass.
He said that "The Churches took care of them. Our Neighbors, Our Friends would do it".

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2011, 07:39:06 PM »
the stim bill killed jobs 240.     Again - yet another issue you and Ron Paul differ on.  

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2011, 07:40:28 PM »
the stim bill killed jobs 240.     Again - yet another issue you and Ron Paul differ on. 

pretty took 14.4 million of it in 2009 and created a shitload of jobs with it.

Do you deny this, hombre?

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2011, 07:40:31 PM »
He said that "The Churches took care of them. Our Neighbors, Our Friends would do it".

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
you're such a fucking troll...

READ ASSHOLE

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394744.msg5573148#msg5573148

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Re: CNN Repub Debate is on
« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2011, 07:41:16 PM »
Bachman seems to forget about States FORCING people to buy a private product, Auto Insurance.
At about 7:35