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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2011, 08:20:52 AM »
n Paul knows something about uninsured men dying without health insurance. Kent Snyder, who was Paul's 2008 presidential campaign manager, died on June 26 of that year without any medical coverage. His hospital bills had accumulated to $400,000 at the time of his passing.

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So, an aide who was pivotal to the political fortunes and fundraising for Paul wasn't even given health insurance - in his hour of need - by the libertarian Congressman.

By now, almost all BuzzFlash at Truthout readers know or saw how the bloodlust of the Tea Party roared with approval when Paul said that people without health insurance are taking their own risks, and that is the way it should be.

A Pensito Review article from 2008 noted, "Snyder's death and his lack of health insurance has triggered a behind-the-scenes debate among Paul supporters and libertarian activists over whether or not the Paul campaign should have provided health insurance to its staff."


Are they saying he died because he didn't have health insurance?  Wasn't he receiving care if he had hospital bills of ~400,000?
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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2011, 08:27:25 AM »
Haha....great, you really know nothing about 'universal healthcare', just means universal waiting list...
What insurance policy do you currently have and what is the level of coverage?

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2011, 10:33:00 AM »

Churches can step forward and put some of that tax free money to work there


This happens now, and often.  And I assume you know this but very often the uninsured is not a church member nor a believer.

Butterbean's correcto!

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2011, 11:43:18 AM »

This happens now, and often.  And I assume you know this but very often the uninsured is not a church member nor a believer.


Butterbean's correcto!
Its a sad day when people have to beg at Churches and pester their Neighbors for money in order to pay for Healtcare. So this is happening all the time you say? Thanks for making the argument that the current system is a disaster and that we need Universal Healthcare.  ;)

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2011, 11:58:59 AM »
Its a sad day when people have to beg at Churches and pester their Neighbors for money in order to pay for Healtcare. So this is happening all the time you say? Thanks for making the argument that the current system is a disaster and that we need Universal Healthcare.  ;)

No, not the point at all.  But okay, who pays for universal health care?

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2011, 12:10:52 PM »
Its a sad day when people have to beg at Churches and pester their Neighbors for money in order to pay for Healtcare. So this is happening all the time you say? Thanks for making the argument that the current system is a disaster and that we need Universal Healthcare.  ;)
Yes, churches often help those that need help w/medical bills among other things.
It hasn't been my experience that any Joe Blow begging and pestering the church for money is met w/financial assistance to pay all their medical bills though.

Something does need to be done about our healthcare system but existing "Universal Healthcare" systems don't seem to be optimal.  What is your suggestion on this TA?

Another thing that needs close attention in my opinion is more vigilance to prevent infections that occur from surgeries and in the hospitals.  Thousands die and millions of dollars are spent on stuff like this that is preventable!  Obviously mistakes can happen but people dying and losing limbs from infection because someone is lazy really chaps me!  Rant over :)
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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2011, 12:11:40 PM »
No, not the point at all.  But okay, who pays for universal health care?
It IS THE VERY POINT!  If people are begging in churches and begging neighbors for help in paying for Healthcare all the time as you say, you better believe there is a glaring problem.  I know firsthand as I used to work for United Healthcare, one of the giants in the Industry.

Who pays? The Tax Payer.  The same way we pay for the military.  The way the system is now, you are already paying the highest per capita for less Healthcare than every other Industrialized nation in the world.  

Single Payer would generate an overall savings of 400 Billions dollars from what we have now.  It is by far the most fiscally conservative system available.  

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2011, 12:16:41 PM »
Yes, churches often help those that need help w/medical bills among other things.
It hasn't been my experience that any Joe Blow begging and pestering the church for money is met w/financial assistance to pay all their medical bills though.

Something does need to be done about our healthcare system but existing "Universal Healthcare" systems don't seem to be optimal.  What is your suggestion on this TA?

Another thing that needs close attention in my opinion is more vigilance to prevent infections that occur from surgeries and in the hospitals.  Thousands die and millions of dollars are spent on stuff like this that is preventable!  Obviously mistakes can happen but people dying and losing limbs from infection because someone is lazy really chaps me!  Rant over :)


Death due to Doctors and/or Medical Malpractice, Iatrogenesis, is the THIRD leading cause of DEATH in the United States, yet you have dumbfuckeries like Ron Poop Paul wanting lax regulation and Major Tort Reform when its obvious the patient needs to be legally protected to the hilt.

Here is a breakdown:In the United States, figures suggest estimated deaths per year of: [

    12,000 due to unnecessary surgery
    7,000 due to medication errors in hospitals
    20,000 due to other errors in hospitals
    80,000 due to nosocomial infections in hospitals
    106,000 due to non-error, negative effects of drugs

Based on these figures, iatrogenesis may cause 225,000 deaths per year in the United States (excluding recognizable error).[17]

hese estimates are lower than those in an earlier IOM report, which would suggest from 230,000 to 284,000 iatrogenic deaths
These estimates are lower than those in an earlier IOM report, which would suggest from 230,000 to 284,000 iatrogenic deaths.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2011, 12:20:37 PM »
TA can you please provide a link you feel is a good one to read on Single Payer? Thanks.
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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2011, 12:20:57 PM »
333366,

You are making progress my friend.  A Single Payer system like this is exactly the Most Fiscally Conservative plan than any other and it prevents unnecessary deaths.  It is also the most moral thing to do.

When can we make progress on hastening your very necessary ( and hopefully painful) death?

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2011, 12:24:13 PM »
When can we make progress on hastening your very necessary ( and hopefully painful) death?
Why do you want me to die painfully?

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2011, 12:28:19 PM »

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2011, 12:29:20 PM »
Why do you want me to die painfully?

Because your so well informed and likable.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2011, 12:29:52 PM »
TA can you please provide a link you feel is a good one to read on Single Payer? Thanks.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single-payer-resources

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2011, 12:30:57 PM »
Because your so well informed and likable.
Two traits that seem to elude Republicans.  It makes sense.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2011, 05:12:05 PM »
When can we make progress on hastening your very necessary ( and hopefully painful) death?

Damn. lol

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2011, 05:18:05 PM »
What insurance policy do you currently have and what is the level of coverage?

I have universal healthcare, i.e. NHS, level of coverage is waiting in queues...
I hate the State.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2011, 05:25:49 PM »
I have universal healthcare, i.e. NHS, level of coverage is waiting in queues...
Have you EVER had Private Insurance?

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2011, 02:28:25 AM »
I hate the State.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2011, 02:31:58 AM »
Sure.
What was the level of coverage and who was your provider?

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2011, 06:18:43 AM »
Insurance is retarded, the monopoly they have is retarded and criminal...we know this.

Anyways, does anyone know how much of the audience was "applauding" during that question? The media at large (CNN,MSNBC etc) make it seem as if every single person in the crowd was doing cartwheels, screaming, holding up signs and applauding when this was said.

I've read on some blogs and such that it was just a small portion of the audience and it was blown totally out of proportion, which wouldn't be at all shocking.

P.S. Fuck David "The Chameleon" Gergan. He has no shame, no pride and no heart.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2011, 06:21:53 AM »
What was the level of coverage and who was your provider?

Blue Cross Blue Shield.

Health Insurance makes everything more expensive. If there were a real market it would not be as expensive.
I hate the State.

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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2011, 06:13:38 AM »
Two traits that seem to elude Republicans.  It makes sense.
i like your posts.  please keep them up.
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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2011, 09:20:22 AM »
Freaks on the fringe if you ask me. 
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Re: Audience at tea party debate cheers leaving uninsured to die
« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2011, 11:40:16 AM »
More Lies.

NYT's Krugman Hears Non-Existent Eruption of Crowd Cheering Death
By Clay Waters | September 16, 2011 | 13:55


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New York Times columnist Paul Krugman just can't stop offending of late. Krugman confounded even liberals with his ill-timed blog post on the morning of September 11 decrying President George W. Bush and New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as “fake heroes” in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attacks. In his Friday column “Free To Die,” he suggested Republicans would prefer people die for lack of health insurance, using as evidence the dubious claim that the audience watching CNN’s Republican debate “erupted with cheers” at the prospect of a (hypothetical) man dying for being unable to afford intensive care. Has Krugman actually watched the clip?

Back in 1980, just as America was making its political turn to the right, Milton Friedman lent his voice to the change with the famous TV series “Free to Choose.” In episode after episode, the genial economist identified laissez-faire economics with personal choice and empowerment, an upbeat vision that would be echoed and amplified by Ronald Reagan.

But that was then. Today, “free to choose” has become “free to die.”

I’m referring, as you might guess, to what happened during Monday’s G.O.P. presidential debate. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked Representative Ron Paul what we should do if a 30-year-old man who chose not to purchase health insurance suddenly found himself in need of six months of intensive care. Mr. Paul replied, “That’s what freedom is all about -- taking your own risks.” Mr. Blitzer pressed him again, asking whether “society should just let him die.”

And the crowd erupted with cheers and shouts of “Yeah!”

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But did it really? Erik Wemple, who blogs for the Washington Post, fact-checked the horrified liberal response of commentators like Krugman.

This is how Wemple, not a Tea Party fan, described what happened after debate host Wolf Blitzer raised his inflammatory question (you can watch the clip at the Post).
 

A few jeers? Yes. Heckles? No question. “Audience” cheers? No way.

The voices that can be heard in the video -- perhaps two or three of them -- don’t constitute an “audience” reaction. There were 1,100 people in the crowd. The episode is the clumsy work of a few loons or meatheads in the audience.
 

Krugman even grabbed that liberal cliche, “the children.”
 

So would people on the right be willing to let those who are uninsured through no fault of their own die from lack of care? The answer, based on recent history, is a resounding “Yeah!”

Think, in particular, of the children.

The day after the debate, the Census Bureau released its latest estimates on income, poverty and health insurance. The overall picture was terrible: the weak economy continues to wreak havoc on American lives. One relatively bright spot, however, was health care for children: the percentage of children without health coverage was lower in 2010 than before the recession, largely thanks to the 2009 expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, or S-chip.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2011/09/16/nyts-krugman-hears-non-existent-eruption-crowd-cheering-death#ixzz1Y8sDnPQi


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So it really wasn't an "audience reaction"? Shocker the left would portray it as such even in the face of evidence. I wouldn't be surprised if those couple of clowns that cheered were left wing plants and new the questions ahead of time.