I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul

[Hugo Chavez]

I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
by Anthony Anderson.

I truly believe that I speak for so many young progressives that would be proponents for peace, clean food and water, and a government that actually helps and cares for its citizens.

After 8 years of GWB and the lies about WMDs, 9-11, Monsanto, Iraq...etc...anyone coming from the other party looked like a better choice. I was somehow still under the illusion that the Democratic Party would work for the people and not corporate/banking/defense industry interests.

I cried when Obama won. I really thought it was a new dawn for the US and the world as a whole. I was so ashamed of the Bush administration... all the violence and greed just made me ashamed to be from the US. Somehow though I still thought that there was a difference between the two parties.

I have to thank Mr. Obama for waking me up to this truth. When he showed support for Monsanto and big agribusiness, the continued (and escalated) warmongering, and even the continued selling-out of the American taxpayer to the Federal Reserve, the lightbulb went off in my head -- they are all simply employees.

On the other hand, Dr. Ron Paul seems to be the only candidate that is talking about the big pink elephant in the room. The money wasted on war, the fact that our nation has been sold to international banks, and that the federal government is becoming a monster overtaking state autonomy.

I never would have thought that the day would come where I would actually consider voting for someone else than a democrat. I want the world to be clean and healthy paradise planet for the next generations and for those that are living here now. I want the freedom to be able to buy clean food and drink unfluoridated water. I feel that its not asking too much, but the current administration continues to take away these rights.

cont... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anthony-anderson/i-voted-for-obama-now-im-_b_944097.html

[The True Adonis]

Another loon who has bought into one too many Conspiracy theories. 

[Hugo Chavez]

TA, shut your stank hole, nobody cares about your strange psycho talk.

Another good comment from another pro Ron Paul article:

It seems that many of the Left are fatally attracted to tribalist attacks against the likes of Ron Paul. Why are we Lefties and Progressives so afraid to grow up and leave our parents’ (Dems) basement? Once we stand on our own two feet, it is impossible to miss the fact that Ron Paul’s rise represents a movement that stands for some of the most important things that we stand for. Does it creep me out when people like Ron Paul and Alex Jones start foaming at the mouth against “illegal immigrants” (how can human beings be “illegal”?), etc.? Ah, yes. Oh yes it does. It creeps me out a lot more when Barack Obama hands more and more of our economy (that means OUR LIVES AND THOSE OF OUR CHILDREN, PEOPLE) to the Banksters. It creeps me out a lot more when Obama sends our military to bomb foreign countries in order to support ethnic cleansers, or supports vicious crackdowns on peaceful popular uprisings in places like Bahrain and Honduras. It creeps me out a lot more when Obama continues to expand the Imperial Presidency and the police state, while sending SWAT teams after peace activists, while affirming and expanding Bush’s vicious policies. And what really creeps me out a lot more is when many progressives seem to choose to define all this as representing the “mainstream”.

In my vieww, anyone who doesn’t see that we are in desperate times, just chooses not to see. And I guess that old political tribalism helps with that.

[The True Adonis]

TA, shut your stank hole, nobody cares about your strange psycho talk.

Another good comment from another pro Ron Paul article:

Alex Jones.

[Hugo Chavez]

Alex Jones.

NO, Jones didn't write that

[Hugo Chavez]

LOL, even Mathew Rothschild picking Ron Paul as the winner of the debate with only positive things to say about what Paul said.

Click play podcast, it's about a minute long:
http://www.progressive.org/audio_ron_paul_republican_debate.html

[Hugo Chavez]

Why Dems Should Register Republican & Vote Ron Paul

There are many Democrats who agree with congressman & Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul when it comes to his positions on military interventions, the drug war, and the rights of the individual over corporations. The fact that progressive icon and consumer advocate Ralph Nader has discussed teaming up with Paul demonstrates how Ron Paul’s views often are compatible with those of liberal progressives. However, most Democrats argue that Paul’s libertarian stance regarding entitlement programs, taxes, and the role of the Federal Government prevent them from ever throwing their full support behind Paul, even if they agree with him on other issues.

By making this argument, Democrats seem to think that Ron Paul could simply do away with Federal programs and departments with the swipe of pen. While Executive power has increased in recent years, American presidents are not dictators. A President Paul would have two (likely hostile) halls of Congress to deal with in setting an agenda. Secondly, Ron Paul is a pragmatic libertarian, not a radical one hell bent on throwing the United States into a state of anarchy and kicking people off Medicare and Social Security. When dealing with domestic issues and entitlement programs, Paul has always talked about slow transitions from Federal control to the State and local level, and actually saving entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare from impending bankruptcy over the short term by drastically cutting military spending.


Democrats though will argue that we are in crisis mode with the economy and need an FDR style president to inject money and create programs to fuel job growth, not someone like Ron Paul who wants to reduce the size of the Federal Government. Even if one were to agree with this argument, it should be obvious to all Democrats that Barack Obama is no FDR, but a panderer of Wall Street who has repeatedly refused to use the office of the Presidency as a bully pulpit to push a progressive agenda through Congress and make the banking industry pay for its high crimes. Beyond Obama’s very obvious shortcomings, one must ask Democrats if beefing up Federal programs should be the deciding factor in their choice for the next President of the United States. Is that really the ethical and moral priority of our times?

It might be good if all Democrats (and Republicans for that matter) were to pause for a moment and imagine that the Federal government was regularly dropping cluster bombs on their communities to combat suspected terrorists. And that due to these bombings, scores of innocent people, including family members, friends, and neighbors, were being maimed and killed.

Now, also imagine that this same Federal government has banned alcohol. Get caught drinking a beer and get tossed into jail for years. One guesses that if this were happening in the United States, the priority of nearly all voters would be to vote for a new President who would stop killing innocent Americans and tossing folks into jail for drinking a Budweiser.

cont... http://livinghour.org/blog/ronpaulviews/why-democrats-should-register-republican-vote-ron-paul/

[Freeborn126]

Another loon who has bought into one too many Conspiracy theories. 

No, Ron Paul supporters are people capable of independent critical thinking, unlike the brainwashed masses that still follow the left/right paradigm. 

[Soul Crusher]

He was talking about the so called "progressive" whatever the fuck thst I'd.

Also - who do these people think ron paul is going to appoint to the judiciary? 

[The True Adonis]

No, Ron Paul supporters are people capable of independent critical thinking, unlike the brainwashed masses that still follow the left/right paradigm. 

They are easily misled, blind to evidence and are immune to discerning Facts.  Bunch of delusional conspiracy theorists for the most part.

[LurkerNoMore]

I like Paul.  I would love to see him being treated like the serious contender he is.

[Hugo Chavez]

He was talking about the so called "progressive" whatever the fuck thst I'd.

Also - who do these people think ron paul is going to appoint to the judiciary? 

who the fuck do they think will be appointed to the judiciary when Obama fucking loses.  They see the writing on the wall, they know full well to what extent Obama has pissed off his own base and how many of those people will not be donating to Obama and probably not voting.  At least it'll be someone who has some respect for the constitution appointed. 

1.  The other candidates = none of what progressives want.
2.  Paul = a good portion of what progressives want from a candidate that's not bullshitting when he says it.

[The True Adonis]

who the fuck do they think will be appointed to the judiciary when Obama fucking loses.  They see the writing on the wall, they know full well to what extent Obama has pissed off his own base and how many of those people will not be donating to Obama and probably not voting.  At least it'll be someone who has some respect for the constitution appointed. 

1.  The other candidates = none of what progressives want.
2.  Paul = a good portion of what progressives want from a candidate that's not bullshitting when he says it.

Buddy Roemer and John Huntsmann are way better than Ron Paul for the Progressive voter.

[Soul Crusher]

All i am saying is that many people who jump on the RP bandwagon are doing so for the wrong reasons and will be in for massive dissapointment and delusion when they seem him taking an ax to 95% of everything they claim to believe in.    

These "progressives' would do far better to reform the demo party if possible and mount a credible primary challenge to Obama than to jump ship to RP.

These "progressives" are acting like little children running away from the mess they made instead of cleaning up their own mess.  

Instead of seeking greener pastures on the RP bandwagon which is going nowhere, they should do the hard work like the Tea party did in the GOP and get better candidates to run in the Demo party.  

RP has become more cult figure as of late than anything else and once he passes on, then what for these "progressives"?        

[The True Adonis]

All i am saying is that many people who jump on the RP bandwagon are doing so for the wrong reasons and will be in for massive dissapointment and delusion when they seem him taking an ax to 95% of everything they claim to believe in.    

These "progressives' would do far better to reform the demo party if possible and mount a credible primary challenge to Obama than to jump ship to RP.

These "progressives" are acting like little children running away from the mess they made instead of cleaning up their own mess.  

Instead of seeking greener pastures on the RP bandwagon which is going nowhere, they should do the hard work like the Tea party did in the GOP and get better candidates to run in the Demo party.  

RP has become more cult figure as of late than anything else and once he passes on, then what for these "progressives"?        

EXACTLY!!!!!  Post of the year.

[The True Adonis]

Mike Gravel just said he would Challenge Obama and force a Primary if he can raise the needed One Million Dollars.

[Hugo Chavez]

Buddy Roemer and John Huntsmann are way better than Ron Paul for the Progressive voter.

Stop pulling shit out of your ass.  Take your Junk Food and Pecticides are good for you style logic to another board. 

Take your nazi home pics with you delusionboy.

[Soul Crusher]

EXACTLY!!!!!  Post of the year.

I like Ron Paul and agree with probably 90% of what he believes, but geez - some of the fawning over him is the same thing that disturbed me over the cult like status Obama got heaped on him in 2008, only for the predictable downfall.  He is one man, and when you put all your faith in one guy, its destined to fail.  His "campaign for liberty" was and is really good and its based on ideas, not him personally.      

Ron Paul would be no different for these people who then would claim they were misled, dissapointed, etc.  The "progressives" need to reform the demo party based on ideas and principles, not bouncing around from individual candidates after suffering dissapointments.  

Why can't credible left wingers take back their party for Gods' sake?  Seriously - why are they so afraid of primarying Obama after what we have seen the last 3 years?  

  

[Hugo Chavez]

EXACTLY!!!!!  Post of the year.

oh how sweet, maybe you and 3333 can go make gold together with a nazi fantasy.

[Bindare_Dundat]

All i am saying is that many people who jump on the RP bandwagon are doing so for the wrong reasons and will be in for massive dissapointment and delusion when they seem him taking an ax to 95% of everything they claim to believe in.    

These "progressives' would do far better to reform the demo party if possible and mount a credible primary challenge to Obama than to jump ship to RP.

These "progressives" are acting like little children running away from the mess they made instead of cleaning up their own mess.  

Instead of seeking greener pastures on the RP bandwagon which is going nowhere, they should do the hard work like the Tea party did in the GOP and get better candidates to run in the Demo party.  

RP has become more cult figure as of late than anything else and once he passes on, then what for these "progressives"?        

You sound like you are channeling 240 here, especially after all the talk about supporting RP. Especially after you said you would pick anyone over Obama, now you dont sound so happy. You should be estactic that there is a candidate that Dems would choose over Obama but here you are criticizing them, I think you are all talk when it really comes to RP now that he is even gaining traction with Dems, no different then what you accuse 240 of. The TEa PArty has been taken over by trash candiadtes that have NO business being there and you talk about cleaning up their own mess with better candidates? please.... one of the few times I totally disagree with you.

[Hugo Chavez]

I like Ron Paul and agree with probably 90% of what he believes, but geez - some of the fawning over him is the same thing that disturbed me over the cult like status Obama got heaped on him in 2008, only for the predictable downfall.  He is one man, and when you put all your faith in one guy, its destined to fail.  His "campaign for liberty" was and is really good and its based on ideas, not him personally.      

Ron Paul would be no different for these people who then would claim they were misled, dissapointed, etc.  The "progressives" need to reform the demo party based on ideas and principles, not bouncing around from individual candidates after suffering dissapointments.  

Why can't credible left wingers take back their party for Gods' sake?  Seriously - why are they so afraid of primarying Obama after what we have seen the last 3 years?  

  

fucking bullshit...  I've posted a shitload of material from progressives and the one thing they are fully aware of are the areas that they don't match Paul on.  And here you are talking out your stupid fucking ass making shit up saying that they would be shocked when Paul turns out to be pro life and other shit   Oh, way to once again ignore points made above and instead just post your crap which dittos what you've already said like a fucking broken record as usual.

[Deicide]

Why Dems Should Register Republican & Vote Ron Paul

There are many Democrats who agree with congressman & Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul when it comes to his positions on military interventions, the drug war, and the rights of the individual over corporations. The fact that progressive icon and consumer advocate Ralph Nader has discussed teaming up with Paul demonstrates how Ron Paul’s views often are compatible with those of liberal progressives. However, most Democrats argue that Paul’s libertarian stance regarding entitlement programs, taxes, and the role of the Federal Government prevent them from ever throwing their full support behind Paul, even if they agree with him on other issues.

By making this argument, Democrats seem to think that Ron Paul could simply do away with Federal programs and departments with the swipe of pen. While Executive power has increased in recent years, American presidents are not dictators. A President Paul would have two (likely hostile) halls of Congress to deal with in setting an agenda. Secondly, Ron Paul is a pragmatic libertarian, not a radical one hell bent on throwing the United States into a state of anarchy and kicking people off Medicare and Social Security. When dealing with domestic issues and entitlement programs, Paul has always talked about slow transitions from Federal control to the State and local level, and actually saving entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare from impending bankruptcy over the short term by drastically cutting military spending.


Democrats though will argue that we are in crisis mode with the economy and need an FDR style president to inject money and create programs to fuel job growth, not someone like Ron Paul who wants to reduce the size of the Federal Government. Even if one were to agree with this argument, it should be obvious to all Democrats that Barack Obama is no FDR, but a panderer of Wall Street who has repeatedly refused to use the office of the Presidency as a bully pulpit to push a progressive agenda through Congress and make the banking industry pay for its high crimes. Beyond Obama’s very obvious shortcomings, one must ask Democrats if beefing up Federal programs should be the deciding factor in their choice for the next President of the United States. Is that really the ethical and moral priority of our times?

It might be good if all Democrats (and Republicans for that matter) were to pause for a moment and imagine that the Federal government was regularly dropping cluster bombs on their communities to combat suspected terrorists. And that due to these bombings, scores of innocent people, including family members, friends, and neighbors, were being maimed and killed.

Now, also imagine that this same Federal government has banned alcohol. Get caught drinking a beer and get tossed into jail for years. One guesses that if this were happening in the United States, the priority of nearly all voters would be to vote for a new President who would stop killing innocent Americans and tossing folks into jail for drinking a Budweiser.

cont... http://livinghour.org/blog/ronpaulviews/why-democrats-should-register-republican-vote-ron-paul/

These are some great finds Hugo; Ron Paul is definitely appealing on multiple platforms.

[Bindare_Dundat]

fucking bullshit...  I've posted a shitload of material from progressives and the one thing they are fully aware of are the areas that they don't match Paul on.  And here you are talking out your stupid fucking ass making shit up saying that they would be shocked when Paul turns out to be pro life and other shit  Oh, way to once again ignore points made above and instead just post your crap which dittos what you've already said like a fucking broken record as usual.

First he said he would pick Dahmer over Obama but now that Paul is seen as a viable candidate by Dem supporters he is trying to sabatoge the whole thing by poo pooing it. Youd think he'd be doing jumoing jacks of joy but he's worried what they might think about a Paul presidency 4 years from now. What, does he think that they would be happy with any other Repub candidate?  

[Hugo Chavez]

LOL at 3333, in the other thread, he finally says that it's good that they would vote for Ron Paul and the next day he's right back to sounding like he has absolute contempt for the notion.  I didn't believe him when he said it was good, no way the guy cries about it that much and thinks it's good.

Now he's talking about Ron Paul like he has the same style cult followers?  WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT 3333?  What the hell is your motivation?

[Soul Crusher]

I do like that they support him, but I also realize the same way they turned on obama and attack him for "betraying them", they will do exactly the same to RP when they realize he is a death sentence to the main planks of their agenda.  RP is pro-life that are pro-abortion, RP is pro-gun, most are anti 2nd amend, RP wants to slash spending radically - they want to spend more.   RP wants to slash taxes on everyone, they want higher taxes, RP wants to end hate crimes laws, they want more of them, RP wants to end welfare, ss, medicare, they are for national health care, and on and on and on and on.

The wars?  Do these people think RP will be able to close all our bases and bring everyone home in a matter of months?  Not going to happen.  He will be far better than Obama for sure!  But not what they think.     

Progressives are like the jilted lover running in to the hands of the polar opposite of their cheating boyfriend with little thought.  As soon as they are burned by RP on 95% of the issues, they will rush back to the Demos.  

Instead of taking obama to task and seeking a credible primary challenge, no, they are bouncing around like a ping pong ball now.  sorry - its very transparent what these people are all about.  

"Progressives" who attacked GWB on the war for 8 years, have not said a word on Obama.  Where are the protests?  Where are the marches?  Where are the groups like Moveon, ANSWER, etc?  

Answer - nowhere!  They are too pussy to take on Obama and now supposedly supporting RP?  Fucking please.  They could say whatever they want, they are full of shit and its obvious what they are all about.