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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2011, 07:19:22 PM »
there's more videos like that too.  I just grabbed a few.  There are Paul supporters who probably get a little to passionate over it but that's about the same for much of the tea party too.  Anyway, comparing Paul supporters to the cult of Obama is way overkill as these vids show.  Paul supporters don't come anywhere close to the style of worship that goes on with Obama.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2011, 07:35:30 PM »
LOL what's Obama's plan?  The plan handed to bush was to go in, bomb them back to the stone age and get back out and he turned that down.  What do you want the plan to be?  At least Ron Paul wants to have serious talks with them.  Nobody else seems to be willing to go that far with the exception of what Obama said he would do running for office but hasn't done.  Of course there is hillary the hawk who probably wants to go with the plan handed to Bush.
TA, are you going to answer these questions or not?  I'm guessing not lol....

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2011, 07:36:58 PM »
there's more videos like that too.  I just grabbed a few.  There are Paul supporters who probably get a little to passionate over it but that's about the same for much of the tea party too.  Anyway, comparing Paul supporters to the cult of Obama is way overkill as these vids show.  Paul supporters don't come anywhere close to the style of worship that goes on with Obama.

I take it back. They're definitely not bad. Regardless, some Paul fans do get pretty fanatical anytime the guy is criticized.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2011, 07:38:43 PM »
I take it back. They're definitely not bad. Regardless, some Paul fans do get pretty fanatical anytime the guy is criticized.
I can agree with that much.  No doubt they do get passionate about it.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2011, 07:47:04 PM »
TA, are you going to answer these questions or not?  I'm guessing not lol....
I asked you where can I get a copy of the Bush War Plans for Iran? 

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2011, 07:52:47 PM »
I asked you where can I get a copy of the Bush War Plans for Iran? 
and you ignored the questions I asked in that post.  Don't you think you can at least answer the questions in the post before making requests? Considering how you came at this, I'm sure you had an opinion already and surely you can tell us what Obama's plan is...

I'm not your bitch man.  A little quid pro quo isn't a lot to ask.  I'm not here to just answer your questions while you ignore mine...

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2011, 07:56:11 PM »
and you ignored the questions I asked in that post.  Don't you think you can at least answer the questions in the post before making requests? Considering how you came at this, I'm sure you had an opinion already and surely you can tell us what Obama's plan is...

I'm not your bitch man.  A little quid pro quo isn't a lot to ask.  I'm not here to just answer your questions while you ignore mine...
I asked first what was Poop`s plan for keeping Iran from obtaining Nuclear Weapons.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2011, 08:02:43 PM »
Nothing can stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons.


That's going to happen.  So it's kind of a stupid thing to argue about.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2011, 08:03:28 PM »
I asked first what was Poop`s plan for keeping Iran from obtaining Nuclear Weapons.
Can you read, I answered that.  In the post we're talking about I clearly said what Ron Paul would do.

From the post: "Ron Paul wants to have serious talks with them.  Nobody else seems to be willing to go that far with the exception of what Obama said he would do running for office but hasn't done."

Now, are you going to answer my questions?  How fucking hard is it?

1.  What is Obama's plan on Iran nukes?
2.  What do you want the plan to be on Iran nukes?

"The Almight says, 'Don't change the subject, just answer the fuckin' question."

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2011, 08:21:29 PM »
Kinda funny, Obama said the same thing when he was RUNNING for president, not so much now...


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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2011, 08:22:40 PM »
TA unbelievable that you can't answer two simple questions:

1.  What is Obama's plan on Iran nukes?
2.  What do you want the plan to be on Iran nukes?

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2011, 08:27:54 PM »
Can you read, I answered that.  In the post we're talking about I clearly said what Ron Paul would do.

From the post: "Ron Paul wants to have serious talks with them.  Nobody else seems to be willing to go that far with the exception of what Obama said he would do running for office but hasn't done."

Now, are you going to answer my questions?  How fucking hard is it?

1.  What is Obama's plan on Iran nukes?
2.  What do you want the plan to be Iran nukes?

"The Almight says, 'Don't change the subject, just answer the fuckin' question."

Here is the answer in Reverse.
2. I agree with the Approach Obama has taken towards keeping Iran from acquiring Nuclear Weapons.
1. Here is the Approach:

America and Iran

http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2010/08/america_and_iran

Barack Obama's plan for Iran

Aug 4th 2010, 22:26 by Lexington

I WAS invited with a small group of journalists to a briefing today by Barack Obama on his Iran policy. The president unveiled no new policy but explained how his strategy  towards the Islamic Republic had proceeded since he took office. In his telling, the administration has advanced in methodical steps towards its goal of ensuring that Iran does not acquire nuclear weapons. It has, he asserts, been a piece of "well-executed diplomacy" using "all elements of national power".

Mr Obama says the various components of his policy should not be seen in isolation. First he tried to engage Iran early and directly, not because he was naive about the regime but in order to make clear to the world that America was not the aggressor and was willing to work with Iran if it behaved reasonably. A second part of the strategy was to emphasise nuclear non-proliferation as a global good, by living up to America's own responsibilities under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and organising a successful NPT review conference. Element three was resetting American relations with Russia. This was a good thing in itself but was also designed with Iran policy in mind. Only by talking Russia round first was America able to persuade China to sign up for tougher new sanctions on Iran. In the end, such was Russia's commitment that the Kremlin agreed to hold back certain arms sales to Iran at a considerable cost to itself. All this culminated in the new UN Security Council sanctions on Iran, which have in turn served as a platform for other initiatives, such as sanctions imposed separately by the EU, Canada and the United States itself.

As to whether the additional  pressure piled on Iran would in fact change its mind about pursuing nuclear weapons, Mr Obama said he did not want to overstate his expectations. Changing Iran's calculations would be difficult. The Iranians were surprised by how tough America had been and this had given rise to internal  "rumblings". But there was a nationalist and ideological component to their quest for nuclear weapons that might ultimately override any cost-benefit analysis. That meant the United States had to keep looking at "all available options" (force?) that might be able to prevent Iran from acquiring a bomb. He was not ready to lay down any public red lines "at this point". Interestingly, he did say that it was important to set out for the Iranians a clear set of steps that America would accept as proof that the regime was not pursuing a bomb: they needed "a pathway". With hard work, America and Iran could thaw a 30-year period of antagonism—provided Iran began to act responsibly.

Mr Obama said that the United States had received no direct contacts from Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or its supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, though high-level officials in Iran had investigated the possibility of re-engaging with the P5-plus-one (the permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany). America would be willing to talk bilaterally to Iran "in the context" of a P5 process that was moving forward. There should meanwhile be a "separate track" on which America could co-operate with Iran on other issues, such as Afghanistan and drugs, for example.

Senior administration officials speaking after the president's briefing were bullish about their ability to tighten the squeeze on Iran economically and diplomatically. Sanctions were making it ever harder for Iran to find foreign investors in its vital oil and gas sector. The EU had adopted tougher sanctions than anyone was expecting. It was already hard for Iran to do business in dollars, and now its ability to do business in euros was being impaired as well. For the first time Tehran's bazaaris, the commercial middle-class, had expressed their unhappiness, adding their protests to those of students and intellectuals. America had firmed up defence relations with the Arab Gulf states and taken unprecedented steps to reassure Israel about its security. Meanwhile Iranian efforts to enrich more uranium seemed to be encountering difficulties. The 3,800 first-generation centrifuges in Natanz were operating at about 60% of their capacity and were experiencing a high rate of breakages (though there are 4,000 in reserve). A planned second generation of centrifuges had not yet been installed. If Iran were to expel international inspectors and dash for a bomb, said a senior administration official, it would take it a year or more to collect enough fissile material for a single device.

What to make of all this? In the end a briefing is just a briefing, and the president of the United States is hardly going to tell a bunch of journalists that his policy to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons has been anything less than dynamic and methodical. What does seem beyond dispute is that the Obama administration has succeeded in driving an unexpected wedge between Iran and Russia, a country the Iranians had long assumed would continue to offer them a degree of diplomatic protection. That is a serious achievement, as are the new international sanctions to which the Russians and therefore the Chinese have recently agreed. Whether all these elements of pressure will persuade Iran to abandon its alleged ambition to become a military nuclear power (an allegation it strenuously denies) remains to be seen. It may be telling that Mr Obama himself is playing down expectations and beginning to talk more about the other unspecified "options on the table". Then again, that could just be a bit of bluff intended to pile on even more pressure.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2011, 08:30:25 PM »
Obama>Poop Paul when it comes to Foreign Policy.

Poop wants us to lick the boots of Iran and let them acquire whatever they want.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2011, 09:08:55 PM »
TA, sounds like a real long winded plan to continue the same OLD plan of sanctions which is a far cry from what Obama said he would do running for office.  I'm not quite sure but have sanctions ever really worked on persuading any regime?  I see a long history of sanctions reducing a population and hurting the people but little to no evidence sanctions have ever worked in a positive way toward policy change in the targeted countries.  If anything sanctions seem to reduce the population to a state of rage against those imposing the sanctions and reinforce support for the targeted regime.  Iraq, Cuba others, we've gone down this path and never seen the outcome sanctions were intended for.


Come to think of it, this is yet another point progressives agree with Ron Paul on:

Sanctions Against Iran
by Ron Paul

As the drumbeat for military action against Iran grows louder, some members of Congress are calling to expand the longstanding U.S. trade ban that bars American companies from investing in that nation. In fact, many war hawks in Washington are pushing for a comprehensive international embargo against Iran. The international response has been lukewarm, however, because the world needs Iranian oil. But we cannot underestimate the irrational, almost manic desire of some neoconservatives to attack Iran one way or another, even if it means crippling a major source of oil and destabilizing the worldwide economy.

Make no mistake about it: Economic sanctions are acts of aggression. Sanctions increase poverty and misery among the very poorest inhabitants of targeted nations, and they breed tremendous resentment against those imposing them. But they rarely hurt the political and economic elites responsible for angering American leaders in the first place.

In fact, few government policies are as destructive to our economy as the embargo.

While embargoes sound like strong, punitive action, in reality they represent a failed policy that four decades of experience prove doesn't work. Conversely, economic engagement is perhaps the single most effective tool in tearing down dictatorships and spreading the message of liberty.

It is important to note that economic engagement is not the same thing as foreign aid. Foreign aid, which should be abolished immediately, involves the US government spending American tax dollars to prop up other nations.

Embargoes only hurt the innocent of a targeted country. While it may be difficult for the leader of an embargoed nation to get a box of American-grown rice, he will get it one way or another. For the poor peasant in the remote section of his country, however, the food will be unavailable.

It is difficult to understand how denying access to food, medicine, and other products benefits anyone. Embargo advocates claim that denying people access to our products somehow creates opposition to the despised leader. The reality, though, is that hostilities are more firmly directed at America.

Father Robert Sirico, a Paulist priest, wrote in the Wall Street Journal that trade relations "strengthen people's loyalties to each other and weaken government power." To imagine that we somehow can spread the message of liberty to an oppressed nation by denying them access to our people and the bounty of our prosperity is contorted at best.

For more than thirty years we have embargoed Cuba in an attempt to drive Fidel Castro from power. Yet he remains in power. By contrast look at the Soviet Union, a nation we allowed our producers to engage economically. Of course the Soviet Union has collapsed.

Embargoes greatly harm our citizens. As the American agricultural industry continues to develop new technology to reduce costs and increase yields, it becomes more important for farmers and ranchers to find markets outside the United States to sell their goods so they can make ends meet. By preventing our farmers and ranchers from competing in the world market, we deny them very profitable opportunities.

Government meddling is always destructive to the free market; people inevitably will make wiser decisions about how to spend their money, with whom, and when, than politicians in Washington. Embargoes simply do not accomplish the ends advocates claim to desire, and are extremely harmful to the well-being of Americans.


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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2011, 09:13:34 PM »
I would also like to see the evidence for Obama trying to engage Iran early and directly as the article claims...  Most likely they did what bush did and made demands before talks.  That's fucking stupid as Ron Paul points out, we were fully willing to at least talk to Russia, a much bigger threat without making a list of demands before at least talking.

Obama's plan, SAME AS BUSH... JOY....

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2011, 09:36:22 PM »
holy crap, I'll come back later... It took you a while to dig up that article, it'll probably take you a while to google up a response...

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #66 on: September 15, 2011, 02:33:51 AM »
holy crap, I'll come back later... It took you a while to dig up that article, it'll probably take you a while to google up a response...
I take it you don`t like Primary Sources which is obvious as you have the polluted mind of the Conspiracy Theorist.  CT`ers have a problem with evidence and fact and like to make up their own version based on their own batshit conclusions.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #67 on: September 15, 2011, 02:50:32 AM »
I take it you don`t like Primary Sources which is obvious as you have the polluted mind of the Conspiracy Theorist.  CT`ers have a problem with evidence and fact and like to make up their own version based on their own batshit conclusions.
If that's the way you view me, have a load of fun trying to explain why I posted this tonight, well before you just posted this crap:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=395043.0

But I must ask, what does any of this have to do with conspiracy theory?  There is no CT here.  Nobody has brought up CT but you?  It seems to me like you're more interested in using a CT accusation so that you don't have to answer real concrete questions.

In what way can anything I've said in this thread be CT related?

The real question here is:  Why is "CT shit" your response to this post:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394906.msg5578126#msg5578126

TA, you're about as chicken shit as they come and you've just exposed that quality for the 1000th time.

You want to REALLY talk about this, fine... I'm ready... You want to play this bullshit, fuck off, I'll just ban your troll ass and not think twice about it.[/b]  This isn't the gossip forum buddy..

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #68 on: September 15, 2011, 02:59:57 AM »
If that's the way you view me, have a load of fun trying to explain why I posted this tonight, well before you just posted this crap:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=395043.0

But I must ask, what does any of this have to do with conspiracy theory?  There is no CT here.  Nobody has brought up CT but you?  It seems to me like you're more interested in using a CT accusation so that you don't have to answer real concrete questions.

In what way can anything I've said in this thread be CT related?

The real question here is:  Why is CT shit your response to this post:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394906.msg5578126#msg5578126

TA, you're about as chicken shit as they come and you've just exposed that quality for the 1000th time.

You want to really talk about this, fine... I'm ready... You want to play this bullshit, fuck off, I'll just ban your troll ass and not think twice about it.

I like how you can call me a million names in the book and I put forth that you succumb to conspiracy theories (Monsanto, Organic Food, Banning of Home Gardens, HPV Vaccine as being dangerous) which is true via your post history, yet you are now threatening to ban me.  I don`t want to talk anything with you to be honest as its clear that if I give you an answer you don`t like or disagree with, you meltdown and threaten to ban.

You have your nose so far up Ron Poops Anus, you probably can taste what he had for breakfast yesterday.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #69 on: September 15, 2011, 03:10:31 AM »
I like how you can call me a million names in the book and I put forth that you succumb to conspiracy theories (Monsanto, Organic Food, Banning of Home Gardens, HPV Vaccine as being dangerous) which is true via your post history, yet you are now threatening to ban me.  I don`t want to talk anything with you to be honest as its clear that if I give you an answer you don`t like or disagree with, you meltdown and threaten to ban.

You have your nose so far up Ron Poops Anus, you probably can taste what he had for breakfast yesterday.
None of that has anything to do with what is being discussed.  There is nothing CT related in this thread whatsoever aside from what you are bringing up to avoid the topic.  You're doing this to avoid actually talking about issues raised and yes, if you're trolling on this level, I will ban you just as I've threatened others who have done the same in the past.

And for your information, I have never ever suggested there was a conspiracy with Monsanto, Organic food, certainly not with banning of home gardens, I actually am one of the people that said that was bullshit from the accusation made on the net... goes to show you never really read my posts.... and HPV is fucking potentially dangerous you fucking moron.  In the next few years there WILL be kids who get this vaccine and die from it jackass, just as there has been over the last several years.  easy to ignore if it's not your kid I guess....

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #70 on: September 15, 2011, 03:26:32 AM »
TA, this is real simple.

This is my response to your post:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=394906.msg5578126#msg5578126

You either have a responce to this or you do not.  going on a rampage about conspiracy theories is not a response, you're trolling like you are use to doing on other forums.  Not going to happen here buddy.  

You want to talk about this, like I said, I'm ready...  You want to play games, I got a fix for that too...

Oh and yes, you can call me any name in the book, I don't care, that's cool on this forum, just fucking answer the goddamned question.

What's probably setting you off is that you actually realised that Paul's policy on this is in line with liberal and progressive policies on this and you're just stuck trying to change the topic to conspiracy shit that was never mentioned here.

Sounds like Self Ownage to me...

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #71 on: September 15, 2011, 04:15:05 PM »
I like Ron Paul and agree with probably 90% of what he believes, but geez - some of the fawning over him is the same thing that disturbed me over the cult like status Obama got heaped on him in 2008, only for the predictable downfall.  He is one man, and when you put all your faith in one guy, its destined to fail.  His "campaign for liberty" was and is really good and its based on ideas, not him personally.      

Ron Paul would be no different for these people who then would claim they were misled, dissapointed, etc.  The "progressives" need to reform the demo party based on ideas and principles, not bouncing around from individual candidates after suffering dissapointments.  

Why can't credible left wingers take back their party for Gods' sake?  Seriously - why are they so afraid of primarying Obama after what we have seen the last 3 years?  

  

Good points.

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2011, 04:17:06 PM »
Good, go take a break and come back and explain to me exactly how Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination by the numbers and states and primary calender. 

I dont want pie in the sky crap, I want realistic scenario, especially in closed primaries not open to anyone but repubs. 

Good points again.  I've asked this question too.  (I'll bump the 2008 primary thread I created about this.)  If you take a realistic look at the numbers that matter, I don't see a realistic chance for him to win. 

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #73 on: September 17, 2011, 06:30:25 AM »

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Re: I Voted for Obama, Now I'm Voting for Ron Paul
« Reply #74 on: September 17, 2011, 06:43:27 AM »

I like Ron and this Actor better

why would you even post that shit?