What does "foundation" mean?

[BILL ANVIL]

To me building a foundation means training for several years doing the basic compound exercises which build strength and muscle....barbell squats, deadlifts, bench press etc.  And training HARD and HEAVY, using very little machine excercises.  I don't think it's got anything to do with aas.  So many people try to skip building the foundation these days...they just have no idea how important it is.  

You got it man, thats why there are 200lb guys who look bigger and more impressive than 230lbs guys. quality really makes a difference

[slaveboy1980]

bullshit...you can build your foundation with machine training. you can use anything as long as you put tension on the muscle.

the point is that you lift for a few years and create a natural foundation before you become a drug pig

[booty]

I don't believe machines build foundation.  Look around at people who mainly do machines over free weights...they rarely have a good foundation.  Machines are for lazy people and alot of people especially really young people are lazy.  It's hard to get underneath a barbell and squat as opposed to leg extensions and leg curls.  Of course I do believe there is a place for machines, only to mix it up and isolate muscle groups more.  However the basis of a good weight training programme should have mostly free weights and compound exercises.  As a personal trainer, I give people programmes with mostly free weights and compound excercises.  Why piss fart around on machines only....that isn't going to get the results or any kind of foundation. 

[BILL ANVIL]

bullshit...you can build your foundation with machine training. you can use anything as long as you put tension on the muscle.

the point is that you lift for a few years and create a natural foundation before you become a drug pig

Nah dude, machines dont build the same kind of huge solid looking mass you get from years of free weights olympic and powerlifting movements. Different strenuous activities build different looking muscle, and bodybuilders today all look the same just because they are all lazy asses that do the same machines and piss poor cable movements and not to mention they're all on the same gear.

[chaos]

H0W EARLY DID PHIL START AND H0W MANY INSULIN IUS IS HE TAKING?

Assbruise........still clackin away with no "o" on the keyboard huh?

[kiwiol]

NO! ,, what kind of pupil are you??

Um, I'm not one of your pupils, never been nor wish to be, sorry mate.

[slaveboy1980]

I don't believe machines build foundation.  Look around at people who mainly do machines over free weights...they rarely have a good foundation.  Machines are for lazy people and alot of people especially really young people are lazy.  It's hard to get underneath a barbell and squat as opposed to leg extensions and leg curls.  Of course I do believe there is a place for machines, only to mix it up and isolate muscle groups more.  However the basis of a good weight training programme should have mostly free weights and compound exercises.  As a personal trainer, I give people programmes with mostly free weights and compound excercises.  Why piss fart around on machines only....that isn't going to get the results or any kind of foundation. 

I didn't say that anyone should limit themselves to machines. The point is that the muscle can sense tension, and you can achieve that without using free weights.

You don't have to squat, bench press or deadlift to create a foundation. That is just macho nonsense.

[goomba420]

H0W EARLY DID PHIL START AND H0W MANY INSULIN IUS IS HE TAKING?

The following are the exact dosages of an offseason blast of a current top pro. Hope this puts in perspective the BS pro cycles that get posted every now and then.

Weeks 1-12
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100mg injectable dbol ed (first 8 weeks)
100mg TNE ed
500mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
200mg test prop ed
200mg NPP ed
25iu humalog before meals and before training
20iu gh injected iv immediately post workout 3x per week, 10iu gh injected IM 2x per week (other 2 training days), 10iu split dose into 5am 5 mid day injected subq on off days

Weeks 13-24
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100mg TNE ed
750mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
300mg test prop ed
200mg tren ace ed
25iu humalog before meals, 35iu before training
30iu gh injected iv post workout on all training days, 15iu subq on off days split dose 5am/5 mid day/5 evening

Weeks 25-34
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200mg injectable anadrol ed
150mg TNE ed
1,000mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
400mg test prop ed
25iu humalog before meals, 40iu before training
35iu injected iv everyday in one shot

[MikMaq]

I didn't say that anyone should limit themselves to machines. The point is that the muscle can sense tension, and you can achieve that without using free weights.

You don't have to squat, bench press or deadlift to create a foundation. That is just macho nonsense.

Agreed I fucked up my shoulder and for me machines are a necessity if I wanna keep going to the gym. The stigma against them is total macho bullshit. Granted only using machines or only doing a limited set of motions is bad for muscle growth. But just because your using weight it don't mean your not limiting yourself.

[Palpatine Q]

Machines vs free weights is such a dumbass concept.

your muscles know one thing...contract under a load...they can't "tell" if the weight is round on a bar, or square on a cable....The shit people believe amazes me.

PS.....Dorian favored machines 

[Dr Dutch]

Machines vs free weights is such a dumbass concept.

your muscles know one thing...contract under a load...they can't "tell" if the weight is round on a bar, or square on a cable....The shit people believe amazes me.

PS.....Dorian favored machines 

When he was big already...

[Tito24]

[BILL ANVIL]

Machines vs free weights is such a dumbass concept.

your muscles know one thing...contract under a load...they can't "tell" if the weight is round on a bar, or square on a cable....The shit people believe amazes me.

PS.....Dorian favored machines 

Dorian favored machines later in his career AFTER he built his base with freeweights.

[booty]

Dorian favored machines later in his career AFTER he built his base with freeweights.

Exactly!

[slaveboy1980]

Machines vs free weights is such a dumbass concept.

your muscles know one thing...contract under a load...they can't "tell" if the weight is round on a bar, or square on a cable....The shit people believe amazes me.

PS.....Dorian favored machines  

Yup. For example squats can be an excellent exercises for some people...for others it sucks (for various reasons) and a leg press will be a much better choice. Etc etc.

The muscles will grow if you subject them to progressive tension overload and that can be achieved using a machine just as it can be achieved with free weights.

[Palpatine Q]

When he was big already...

He got big from taking steroids, not because the weights he lifted were round instead of square

[booty]

He got big from taking steroids, not because the weights he lifted were round instead of square

You do realise that machines do some of the work for you? 

[Palpatine Q]

You do realise that machines do some of the work for you? 

LOL.....really. hows that?

So If I train my arms to failure with a barbell,they worked harder than if i train my arms to failure with a machine ??

HAHAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAA.

[purenaturalstrength]

yes,,and philsulina is virgin muscle that is MAXED!,, this is big problem for bodybuilding,, it became ONLY DRUG AND DRUG RESPONSE as of yesterday,,in other words,, before you even go in a gymnasium ...make sure you got your source and he is good source and legit and have good products....because with out that source you will be N O T H I N G

gh15 approved

i was thinking about the issue today and like what i said before ^^^^^^ seems true, but i was trying to figure out the physiological process


then i remembered something like steroids=>mostly myofibrillar hypertrophy and GH=>mostly something else (sarcoplasmic?) supposedly GH doesn't increase strength like steroids so that would make sense

and insulina => intramuscular fat


GH + insulina on a physique that's not roided and strength trained to the max => that philsulina BLOOFY look?


how far off am i with this theory ? lol

[slaveboy1980]

You do realise that machines do some of the work for you? 

What are you talking about? Did you read any of the above posts?

[Tito24]

machine over load on her face.

[booty]

LOL.....really. hows that?

So If I train my arms to failure with a barbell,they worked harder than if i train my arms to failure with a machine ??

HAHAHAAHAAHAAAAAAAAAA.

Yes a machine keeps the movement in a controlled manner, where as curling with a barbell requires alot more effort.  You use your stabilizing muscles as well during free weights.  Barbell curls are a compound exercise also.  

[purenaturalstrength]

the machines versus free weights is totally irrelevant


it's all about the myofibrilar density of the physique which is only achieved through intense strenth training for years on anabolic steroids

philsulina's muscle is mostly sarcoplasm and intramuscular fat and overall bloofyness


lol



not sure just wild assumptions  

[slaveboy1980]

If i leg press 500lbs x 12 reps  and work up to 800 for 12 (with good technique)...don't you think that the muscle will grow? (assuming you eat enough etc).

[booty]

What are you talking about? Did you read any of the above posts?

Of course I did.