What does "foundation" mean?

[purenaturalstrength]

If i leg press 500lbs x 12 reps  and work up to 800 for 12 (with good technique)...don't you think that the muscle will grow? (assuming you eat enough etc).

resistance is resistance, using machines will not affect the quality of the muscle. it will affect the efficiency of the central nervous system which is irrelevant to bodybuilders and only an issue in (strength) sports

[slaveboy1980]

Yes a machine keeps the movement in a controlled manner, where as curling with a barbell requires alot more effort.  You use your stabilizing muscles as well during free weights.  Barbell curls are a compound exercise also.  

utter nonsense

[purenaturalstrength]

lol @ barbell curls are a compound exercise, well i noticed this is true far too often 

[slaveboy1980]

resistance is resistance, using machines will not affect the quality of the muscle. it will affect the efficiency of the central nervous system which is irrelevant to bodybuilders and only an issue in (strength) sports

you don't have to explain it to me. I know. And the whole stabilizing muscle thing is crap. It may have some validity for sport specific training and also remember that no one says you have to limit yourself to all machine training.

[Palpatine Q]

Yes a machine keeps the movement in a controlled manner, where as curling with a barbell requires alot more effort.  You use your stabilizing muscles as well during free weights.  Barbell curls are a compound exercise also.  

another term the "geniuses" throw around...Stabilizing muscles.  if i'm training my triceps...I really don't give a fuck if my front delts are recruited....because...I'm training triceps  

[suckmymuscle]

the machines versus free weights is totally irrelevant


it's all about the myofibrilar density of the physique which is only achieved through intense strenth training for years on anabolic steroids

philsulina's muscle is mostly sarcoplasm and intramuscular fat and overall bloofyness


lol



not sure just wild assumptions  

  There are so many wrong statements in this post that I don't even know where to start correcting them...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[slaveboy1980]

Of course I did. 

Then you don't understand what fundamentally causes muscle growth. If you did, you would understand that it doesn't matter if you use machines or free weights. The important thing is to use exercises that suit you and that allow you to target the muscles you wanna train + progressive tension overload. (and enough protein and overall calories of course). Stabilizing muscles have nothing to do with it.

[Tito24]

[purenaturalstrength]

you don't have to explain it to me. I know. And the whole stabilizing muscle thing is crap. It may have some validity for sport specific training and also remember that no one says you have to limit yourself to all machine training.

people think "stabilizing" "stabilizers" etc are magic words but don't realize it's just some isometric contractions to hold a certain position


when doing barbell curls with very strict form you would tense up a lot of muscles to STABILIZE the position of the shoulder and elbow joint but that won't add some magic effect to your bicep stimulation


lololol


anyway if you want to be strong at free weights do free weights

[purenaturalstrength]

 There are so many wrong statements in this post that I don't even know where to start correcting them...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

well i did say it were wild assumptions i dont really know any of this broscience

[Palpatine Q]

Then you don't understand what fundamentally causes muscle growth. If you did, you would understand that it doesn't matter if you  use machines or free weights. The important thing is to use exercises that suit you and that allow you to target the muscles you wanna train + progressive tension overload. (and enough protein and overall calories of course). Stabilizing muscles have nothing to do with it.

it's obvious she believes the muscle comics, I bet she thinks that the nonsense blurb on the cover is true...and that you really can "Explode your your arms to new levels of freakiness!!!!!" with this new "revolutionary" arm routine  

[slaveboy1980]

Another thing i found funny with this macho attitude is that why would anyone use an exercise that doesn't work for someone. Let's say you have very long legs and bad proportions for squats...and all they do is make your ass bigger and lower back hurt...why would you squat if your only goal is to get bigger quads? Find a better tool..focus on leg presses and finish off with leg extensions.

Or you have a 40 year old lady with zero training experience....you don't start her of with squats you put her in the leg press because its much easier to teach and will actually allow her to train her quads from day 1. You may add squats later..or you may not. Anyone who has actually trained people would understand this.

[purenaturalstrength]

Another thing i found funny with this macho attitude is that why would anyone use an exercise that doesn't work for someone. Let's say you have very long legs and bad proportions for squats...and all they do is make your ass bigger and lower back hurt...why would you squat if your only goal is to get bigger quads? Find a better tool..focus on leg presses and finish off with leg extensions.

Or you have a 40 year old lady with zero training experience....you don't start her of with squats you put her in the leg press because its much easier to teach and will actually allow her to train her quads from day 1. You may add squats later..or you may not. Anyone who has actually trained people would understand this.

it's all part of the cult of bodybuilding

[Dr Dutch]

He got big from taking steroids, not because the weights he lifted were round instead of square

Ok, you're right..

[wild willie]

So, the muscle you can gain as a natural?  Which as we all know, is not much?

So why is this always mentioned?  What's the big deal?

bro.....you can gain plenty of muscle without the sauce.....but you have to have a better mind frame than that.

[the trainer]

 I have trained many clients over the years, and I have seen clients who after only 6 months of training look way better than guys who have being training for 4 years. So if this client wants to be a pro. I am not going to have him train natural for 5 years then do ass for another 5 years then start blowing up on insulin and gh for 5 more years to be a pro that is 15 years are you insane.
 This would only make sense if he was a teenager, But if this was a 25 year old guy he does not have that amount of time. So after 2 years of natural training he goes on ass for a few years, then he starts to add in the gh and insulin, that is how it is when when time is not your friend.
 By the way all the time that you spent bashing Phil this year he has the last laugh so eat your heart out.

[purenaturalstrength]

this is why guys who train from child like branch warren look the best

[Schmoff]

hi, phisulin

 

[Tito24]

you must be really proud of yourself?

[purenaturalstrength]

I have trained many clients over the years, and I have seen clients who after only 6 months of training look way better than guys who have being training for 4 years. So if this client wants to be a pro. I am not going to have him train natural for 5 years then do ass for another 5 years then start blowing up on insulin and gh for 5 more years to be a pro that is 15 years are you insane.
 This would only make sense if he was a teenager, But if this was a 25 year old guy he does not have that amount of time. So after 2 years of natural training he goes on ass for a few years, then he starts to add in the gh and insulin, that is how it is when when time is not your friend.
 By the way all the time that you spent bashing Phil this year he has the last laugh so eat your heart out.

well i have trained a lot of gymnasts over the years and they say you need to start with the basics so rolls, tumbles, carwheels


but that would take 10 years to work up to the high level moves and when a girl walks in here and she's 25 time is not on our side, so i just let her snort some coke and hype her up to sprint at the springboard, back handspring onto the horse, 1.5 flip with 2.5 twists

i can make a zero into a hero in a few short years using this time sparing approach

[Tito24]

more foundation examples puppils

[Meso_z]

This is "foundation" in my book.

[BILL ANVIL]

He got big from taking steroids, not because the weights he lifted were round instead of square

Bullshit

[BILL ANVIL]

He could quite possibly gain the weight he did by mega dosing and only doing machines ect but his physique would not of looked the way it did by doing so. Would of been more similar to Phil Heaths 'build' than a top tier Olympian. A body built on freeweights compared to one built on machines is gonna look totally different, bodybuilders and powerlifters have been proving this for years and years.

[the trainer]

ok ,,

THIS IS IMPORTANT I WROTE IN BIBLE THIS FEW TIMES ,,

foundation is

the time you had in the gymnasium TRAINING with ANABOLIC STEROIDS IN YOUR BLOOD.... IT IS NOT THE ACTUAL TRAINNIG NATURAL ,, TRAINING NATURAL IS PART OF HAVING FOUNDATION ...BUT THE FOUNDATION THAT I TALK ABOUT IS TRAINING + ANABOLIC STEROIDS! ....

WHEN I SAY SOMEONE DOESNT HAVE FOUNDATION IT MEAN THEY JUMPED TOOOOOOOOOOOO FAST ON THE HGH AND INSULINA AND WENT INTO MEGADOSE LAND BEFOREEEE DEVELOPING ENOUGH MUSCLE DENSITY.... DENNNNNNNNNNNNNSITY ....AND ENOUGH MUSCULAR DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL....AGAIN! IT IS NOT THE DIAMETER OF MUSCLE IT IS THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE MUSCLE THAT PROJECT STRENGTH AND CREATE A BASE ON WHICH ...YES I JUST SAID ON WHICH...ON WHICH YOU CAN BUILD THE RON COLMANS AND THE DORIAN YATES...

PHILSULINA HAD HAPPY DAY YESTERDAY HE IS YOUR BODYBUILD CHAMP MR O BUT HE LACK THE FOUNDATION ,, IM NOT A MEAN PERSON I DONT HATE HIM ,, HE KNOWS I DONT HATE HIM ...I SAID HE WOULD WIN ,, LONG BEFORE HE WON I SAID HE WOULD WIN ,, BUT! HE JUST DOESNT HAVE THE FOUNDATION MY FRIENDS,, SORRY

gh15 approved

Your theory is a bunch of garbage, first a guy with great genes could train for a year and look better than a guy with shitty genes who has being training for 5 years. So this guy enters a local show after  2 years of training win the show, then jumps on the ass to get to the next level, after a few years on the ass he is at national level looking to get his pro card now all his competitors are on gh and insulin. so he has to get on gh and insulin to level the playing field. Guy then wins his pro card so he has to up the dosage to complete with the pros.
 If anybody follows your advice they would train for to 20 to get their pro card and another 5 years to win a competition you out of touch with what it takes to be a bodybuilder today and you are still living in the 90s. Its best if you go to a retirement home sit in a chair and remember the good old days.