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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #75 on: September 19, 2011, 05:04:23 PM »
Chico24 doing some good work in this thread.
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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #76 on: September 19, 2011, 09:55:28 PM »
Your theory is a bunch of garbage, first a guy with great genes could train for a year and look better than a guy with shitty genes who has being training for 5 years. So this guy enters a local show after  2 years of training win the show, then jumps on the ass to get to the next level, after a few years on the ass he is at national level looking to get his pro card now all his competitors are on gh and insulin. so he has to get on gh and insulin to level the playing field. Guy then wins his pro card so he has to up the dosage to complete with the pros.
 If anybody follows your advice they would train for to 20 to get their pro card and another 5 years to win a competition you out of touch with what it takes to be a bodybuilder today and you are still living in the 90s. Its best if you go to a retirement home sit in a chair and remember the good old days.

my theory is nto a therory it is fact,, and if you knew how to read...and yes you can read gh15 quite well but for some reason you cant understand what you read....if you knoew how to read you would understand! that foundation is AAS + TRAINING,, no natural no nothing,, and the aas + training shoud take place and go few years first ,, philsulina did not do it ,, philsulina climbed on hgh and insulina very fast and you can see it in the blow up i dont even know what to call him,, he is just a blow up micheling man ,, he will colapse like deck of cards...problem is that rigth now he compete against shit,, jason ..old jason which fucked up should have won but fucked up...and dex which really doesnt care much anymore,, rest of them are like philsulina ...NO FOUNDATION,, denise wolfe has foundation but....they just dont like him for some reason and he doesnt look pretty and not enough americano...rest of them are mess

philsulina just won a beauty contest he is pretty boy ,,blew up p[retty but rest assue blew up is the term ! i suggest you take a look at past mr o like heny like dorian like ron ...even little zane ,,check them out to understand what FOUNDATION means

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2011, 10:26:54 PM »
my theory is nto a therory it is fact,, and if you knew how to read...and yes you can read gh15 quite well but for some reason you cant understand what you read....if you knoew how to read you would understand! that foundation is AAS + TRAINING,, no natural no nothing,, and the aas + training shoud take place and go few years first ,, philsulina did not do it ,, philsulina climbed on hgh and insulina very fast and you can see it in the blow up i dont even know what to call him,, he is just a blow up micheling man ,, he will colapse like deck of cards...problem is that rigth now he compete against shit,, jason ..old jason which fucked up should have won but fucked up...and dex which really doesnt care much anymore,, rest of them are like philsulina ...NO FOUNDATION,, denise wolfe has foundation but....they just dont like him for some reason and he doesnt look pretty and not enough americano...rest of them are mess

philsulina just won a beauty contest he is pretty boy ,,blew up p[retty but rest assue blew up is the term ! i suggest you take a look at past mr o like heny like dorian like ron ...even little zane ,,check them out to understand what FOUNDATION means

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S0 BASICALLY THE AM0UNT 0F MUSCLE TISSUE 0NE GAINS TRAINING UNDER R0IDS WHICH WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT DENSER L00K T0 THE MUSCLE AS 0PP0SED T0 MUSCLE TISSUE BUILT 0N INSULIN AND GH WHICH WILL G0 AWAY IN A M0NTH.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2011, 11:37:46 PM »
S0 BASICALLY THE AM0UNT 0F MUSCLE TISSUE 0NE GAINS TRAINING UNDER R0IDS WHICH WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT DENSER L00K T0 THE MUSCLE AS 0PP0SED T0 MUSCLE TISSUE BUILT 0N INSULIN AND GH WHICH WILL G0 AWAY IN A M0NTH.

YES,, philsulina within 60 days with no hgh and insulina shrink to 190lb! read this again ! if try to keep same bodyfat and condition he will shrink down to 190lb ,, he will be unrecognizable ,, you will see him in walmart americana and laugh ,, with shirt on yhou will not thikn he even touch weight,,

THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN SO MANY TIMES,, AND LIKE A CULT OF HOMOS YOU GOT ALWAYS THE VINCES OF ALL KINDS GOING AROUND WITH ALL THE EXMAPLES I SHOW DURING THE YEARS AND MAKE IT SOMETHING ELSE...SOMETHING I NEVER EVEN SUGGESTED!,,I PUT HERE EXAMPLES OF WHAT HAPPEN TO BODY WITH NO INSULINA AND HGH,, I SHOWED HERE PICTURES OF FELLAS WITH! FOUNDATION AND WHAT HAPPEND TO THEM

WITH OUT HGH AND INSULINA THE PROFESIONAL LOSE SIZE SUPER SUPER FAST,, SIZE HE NEVER HAD BECAUSE THE 3 DIMENTIONAL BLOW FROM INSULINA AND GH...IS NOT LEGIT MUSCLE,, IT IS BLOWN UP TISSUE,, IT IS ADDED ,, LIKE WHEN YOU ADD A PART TO A CAR EXTRA...THAT MAKE THE CAR FASTER....

YOU ARE ACTUALY CAPABLE OF FOLLOWING THE FALL OF A BODYBUILDER STARTING WEEK 1 WITH NO HGH AND INSULINA ,,,WEEK 1!  IT IS NOT AS EASY TO SEE BUT IN THE PICTURES YOU WILL SEE LESS SEPERATION THEN ADDED WATER AND FAT...THEN SHRINKAGE IN LEAN MUSCLE NOT IN PARTICULAR DIAMAETERT OF MUSCLE BUT OVER ALL,, YOU BECOME LESS LEAN ...AND SMALLER WHILE INCREASING EITHER THE WATER WEIGHT OR FAT WEIGHT OR BOTH! DEPENDING ON THE BODYBUILDER AND HOW MUCH AAS HE IS STILL ON,,

i swear fellas here have no concept to what bodybuild is,, they dont know a from z,, im amazed with the balonie i see ,, actualy saying i have heard fella saying philsulina is a good A GOOD mr o !,, this is a joke! if you wanted the average black fella with good muscle bellies and amazing respond to hormones as mr o ...then you got it ,, but to say he work hard? WHAT ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE? work  hard? have you ever seen the fella train ? work hard??

profesional bodybuilders have no time to work hard,, not now days,, its digestion of DRUGS,, of drugs! and respond to them ,, if you were lucky enough to build foundation you wil be the beter bodybuild,, the problam is this generation has no foundation ,, so ofcourse who will you give o to? to the best of the worst,, to the one who can be the best pretty boy with inflated insulina and hgh mega dose muscle,,

half of the fellas who talk here have no idea about bodybuilding,, it is sad,, many of them have no idea abotu how major part drugs play in al levels of bodybuilding and how important it is to have foundation inorder to create something that is worth admiration,,

it comes to a very simple analogy,,again music

remember britney whore spears? remember what i told you about her? 1996...when she came up 1997 thats whee your generation started free fall,, remember? remember the monica and clinton? remember the world then? this is where free fall started,, this is where philsulina grew in ....this is the times....he is product of insinx,, of jenny mcarthy,, of carmen electric,, he is a product of those ....it comes with the teritory,, he can play piano from morning to night,, it is part of where he is from ,, the generation!,, and the way he got to be me o is exactly the way britney whore spears got to be a pop star....

generation N O T H I N G N E S S

and i assure you that one day the truth wil come of what is inside philsulina arms....which will be exactly what inside jason cutler arms and all the other ifbb and top npc ,, you will realize it again when its out and you can see it ...like with jason ,,


peptides RUINED AND DESTROYED BODYBUILDING,, it went from perfection called lee hainey ...to this nonesense of inflated nothing called philsulina heath,,
if you like it then you have it ,,but rest assure i garentee you ..you will nevber see any advanced phil heath with veins poping crazy ron colman style ,, or with peaks and freaky shape muscle seperation that look like rock but with meteor edges,, it will neve be colman like freakiness,, it will never be dorian like density and driness,, it will never be hainey like foundation and it will never be like frank zane perfection ,, it also wont be like arnold like powerful,, and it wont be even jason like broadness and thickness

it will always be 50cents like blow up ,, because he is exactly what 50 cents like physiqe is...only BLOWN UP WITH INSULINA AND GH TO A MEGA DOSING LEVEL,, this is a black physiqe with no foundation ,, athletic...from playing sports that BLEW THE FUCK UP ON INSULIN AAND HGH ,, IT IS CHEMICAL EXPERIEMENT THAT WENT WELL...FOR HOW LONG? NOT TOO LONG,, WHY? BECAUSE THE CHEMICAL EXPERIEMENT WASNT DONE ON A FREAK OF NATURE LIKE RON COLMAN WHICH CAN LAST...IT WAS DONE ON FELLA FROM GENERATION NOTHINGNESS THAT WANTED TO BR MR O...THAT WANTED TO BE GOOD IN SOME SPORT... AND DECIDED BODYBUILD WILL BE IT,, HE RESPONDED VERY WELL TO HGH AND INSULINA AND YOU GOT THE FINAL PRODUCT,,

HE LOOKK EXACTLY LIKE A GOOD SUPPLEMENT DANTA AND SON PRODUCT,,,NICE SHINEY LABEL VERY MARVELOUS,, CELL TECK LABEL...THIS IS THE OUTSIDE,, BUT THE INSIDE....NOT SO MUCH,,

time will tell ,, best golf player in the world...tiger woods...yuo see how good he is with out gh..and with little pressure,, you see how good this zero is,, best golf player in the world....lol GENETATION NOTHINGNESS!,,

best players of generation nothingness

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2011, 12:12:40 AM »
lol 50 cent

i remember seeing 50 cent in those videos and wondering why his abs looked so weird.  why he looked like he was coated in rubber or something.  despite his massive size, it unnerved me even then, as a little kid who couldn't even imagine he might be on steroids.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2011, 05:44:17 AM »
I guess Dennis needed to vent after being forced to call Phil best mr o ever

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #81 on: September 20, 2011, 07:03:10 AM »
Groink is bang on in this thread. Sentient muscles lololol

Also there is no such thing as a foundation differential between roids and gh/slin. Someone Gh15 references a lot Kevin Levrone proved this. He mainly built his physique on AS in the early years and lifted very heavy, as soon as he went off he looked like he didnt train. There was no ripped to shreds steel like 180lb physique hiding underneath the drugs.

Foundation is having good genetics and building a solid natural base, no fucking argument.

GH is semi retarded on this issue. If any current pro stops megadosing they will all shrink just as quickly as Phil.
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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #82 on: September 20, 2011, 07:11:34 AM »
Groink is bang on in this thread. Sentient muscles lololol

Also there is no such thing as a foundation differential between roids and gh/slin. Someone Gh15 references a lot Kevin Levrone proved this. He mainly built his physique on AS in the early years and lifted very heavy, as soon as he went off he looked like he didnt train. There was no ripped to shreds steel like 180lb physique hiding underneath the drugs.

Foundation is having good genetics and building a solid natural base, no fucking argument.

GH is semi retarded on this issue. If any current pro stops megadosing they will all shrink just as quickly as Phil.

Then why did alot of the oldschool guys who loved training and had powerlifting bases hold some of their mass and barrel chests long after they retired? Not everyone shrinks down to fuck all when they retire.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #83 on: September 20, 2011, 07:14:33 AM »
Then why did alot of the oldschool guys who loved training and had powerlifting bases hold some of their mass and barrel chests long after they retired? Not everyone shrinks down to fuck all when they retire.


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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #84 on: September 20, 2011, 07:32:22 AM »
my theory is nto a therory it is fact,, and if you knew how to read...and yes you can read gh15 quite well but for some reason you cant understand what you read....if you knoew how to read you would understand! that foundation is AAS + TRAINING,, no natural no nothing,, and the aas + training shoud take place and go few years first ,, philsulina did not do it ,, philsulina climbed on hgh and insulina very fast and you can see it in the blow up i dont even know what to call him,, he is just a blow up micheling man ,, he will colapse like deck of cards...problem is that rigth now he compete against shit,, jason ..old jason which fucked up should have won but fucked up...and dex which really doesnt care much anymore,, rest of them are like philsulina ...NO FOUNDATION,, denise wolfe has foundation but....they just dont like him for some reason and he doesnt look pretty and not enough americano...rest of them are mess

philsulina just won a beauty contest he is pretty boy ,,blew up p[retty but rest assue blew up is the term ! i suggest you take a look at past mr o like heny like dorian like ron ...even little zane ,,check them out to understand what FOUNDATION means

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You are the one that is missing the point, do you want a bodybuilding to only take ass, while his competitors are taking gh and insulin and beating him in competition and getting sponsors and he is getting no where. pro bodybuilding is a job and a big investment, so you have to blow up as fast as possible make some money win some competition and get off those drugs so you do not lose your health.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2011, 07:23:41 PM »

Genetics and or still using.

Bullshit, I know older dudes that used to be avid weightlifters that still have big arms and barrel chests combined with old man strength and they all have the same thing in common, they used freeweights all there lives. And all these juiceheads I see who only use machines and immediately shrink right down to fuck all as soon as they toss the needle, there's so many I cant even count its ridiculous.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #86 on: September 20, 2011, 08:17:55 PM »
Bullshit, I know older dudes that used to be avid weightlifters that still have big arms and barrel chests combined with old man strength and they all have the same thing in common, they used freeweights all there lives. And all these juiceheads I see who only use machines and immediately shrink right down to fuck all as soon as they toss the needle, there's so many I cant even count its ridiculous.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #87 on: September 20, 2011, 08:22:12 PM »
another mad man who thinks free weights are magical

Dude, they build a far more superior physique than machines ever could.  

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #88 on: September 20, 2011, 08:23:29 PM »
Dude, they build a far more superior physique than machines ever could.  
no they don't all they are superior for is building a blocky midsection

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #89 on: September 20, 2011, 08:23:55 PM »
Dude, they build a far more superior physique than machines ever could.  
Fully agree. 

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #90 on: September 20, 2011, 08:26:56 PM »
You are the one that is missing the point, do you want a bodybuilding to only take ass, while his competitors are taking gh and insulin and beating him in competition and getting sponsors and he is getting no where. pro bodybuilding is a job and a big investment, so you have to blow up as fast as possible make some money win some competition and get off those drugs so you do not lose your health.

hey,, i didnt say you dont ned to do insulina and gh ,, i keep rpeating myself like a damn parrot ,, yes YOU HAVE TO DO THEM NOW DAY ,, this is why im disgusted with the all process, the insulina ruin bodybuilding,, ofcourse you have to do mega dose gh and insulina otherwize you wont get no where...duh??

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #91 on: September 20, 2011, 08:27:23 PM »
no they don't all they are superior for is building a blocky midsection

How can you attest to that? You can't. Thats bullshit.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #92 on: September 20, 2011, 08:40:10 PM »
Fully agree. 

Shut the fuck up you stupid whore

It's dogmatic nonsense

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #93 on: September 20, 2011, 08:42:23 PM »
How can you attest to that? You can't. Thats bullshit.

any more than you can attest that they build superior physiques

It's an old, tired belief.....those of us who are free thinkers and don't ascribe to things because it's the "thing to do" see things differently

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #94 on: September 20, 2011, 09:22:39 PM »
any more than you can attest that they build superior physiques

It's an old, tired belief.....those of us who are free thinkers and don't ascribe to things because it's the "thing to do" see things differently

I can attest to it from living proof, and not just me. You train the way you want, but think of what you could have been if only you had just included basic power training movements into your routine all these years  ;)

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #95 on: September 20, 2011, 09:24:43 PM »
Shut the fuck up you stupid whore

It's dogmatic nonsense

weight is weight
No fuckface.  Go back to your machine only training, you lazy ass. 

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #96 on: September 21, 2011, 02:06:50 AM »
No fuckface.  Go back to your machine only training, you lazy ass.  

Booty I dont know you so Im not trying to start a comfronation with you, but If muscle is a result of time under tension, caloric surplus, and hormones  I really cant see how training with machines builds muscle any slower, the only thing free weights work is stabalizing muscles and improove coordination to a larger degree which migh be beneficial to a football player but bodybuilders are not going to be running any 40 yard dashes any time soon. ;)  Not to be an asskisser backpeddlar to Groink Im just using him as an example because he mentioned he uses machines mostly, but  his muscle density rivals spike's and Spike is the real deal.  True it could be Groinks result of years of heavy training to get that density on less drugs than Spike, but how much more denser would he or SPike  be if they trained with free weights exclusively?  Spike uses machines almost exclusively as well. No One, you saw his pic thick  lean dense muscle, pretty sure he hinted he used machines in a recent post but Ill have to ask him.

Now lets look at  tbombz who benches over 400 pounds I believe and curls 135 for sets of 10 (strict) while he is a very solid dude I am sure he would admit there are some older guys in this thread who have much more density and harder muscle than him,  who use machines exclusively.  Not to say these people  are not older than him and or have more drug use under their belt, but is  goes to show none of this shit really matters, like gh15 said its all chemical ;) I think if training matters at all, TIME is what matters, not how. The question is when it comes to a young aspiring bodybuilder trying to get massive, is this the same concept with drugs or is it completely opposite? Tbombz would say yes, but Im sure Phil Heath would say no :D Disgusted or van your thoughts?  Tbombz said I can get to pro size on one compound :) (by the way  I dont mean any disrespect to tbombz asking him for advice and posting it openly Im not trying to be a bitch, I just think some of his beliefs and views have the potential  to start some good arguments discussions)
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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #97 on: September 21, 2011, 02:12:51 AM »
Look at the backs onstage at this Olympia.. in general theres a lack of back thickness particularly in the traps.

Then look at how they are training back these days. Mostly machines.

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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #98 on: September 21, 2011, 02:42:54 AM »
When I first saw phil I thought he looked like a bloofy michelin man.  What I realized recently, however, is I've only ever really seen phil on stage or off season.  There are different types of bodybuilders, and I think phil is in the "when he goes off-season, he goes WAY off-season" camp, much like levrone was said to be.

The comparisons to levrone initially shocked me.  Kevin looks absolutely sick in countless pictures... but then I noticed something... on stage he didn't really appear that much different from heath.  I've been looking at a lot of videos of him lately and honestly I don't see the big difference: striations, detail, "dryness" or "graininess," skin, etc. They don't look much different.

Now, in training videos or edited magazine photos, kevin looks amazing.  But I haven't really seen any training / magazine shots of phil.  And when I do, he always seems to be off-season or, well, clearly not near contest condition.  On the other hand, kevin always looks like he's in contest condition on videos.  Maybe this is because, after all this time, only the good pictures and videos of kevin remain?  All the off-season bloofiness has disappeared?  Maybe in ten or fifteen years all that will remain of phil is the magazine shots and contest videos, and all the bloofy random off-season crap will have disappeared?

Now, I'm not saying anything about phil's narrowness, or ridiculous arms, or any of that, but when it comes to muscle quality, and the assertions that he has a different look because he "has no foundation" (ie used lots of gh/slin in addition to aas very early on -- glad we could clear up that term), I can't see it.  He doesn't look much different from kevin or shawn ray to me with regard to muscle quality, detail, skin, "density," etc.  In fact, he really doesn't look all that much different from anyone except for a couple (Dexter Jackson, Munzer, Dorian) who are particularly noted for their conditioning.

While I can appreciate the clarification of "foundation," I can't really see much difference in a muscle's appearance between someone who allegedly jumped on slin/gh early and someone who didn't.


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Re: What does "foundation" mean?
« Reply #99 on: September 21, 2011, 04:06:01 AM »
No fuckface.  Go back to your machine only training, you lazy ass. 

LOL ... fuckface ? lazy ass ?


How about YOU post up some valid studies and proof of what you claim ?

You should be able to do that with you being a "trainer" and all .... right ?

This isn't MD where you can just baste someone and get by with batting your eyelashes at the mods ... post your evidence of what you claim .. bet you can't