Author Topic: 2011 Olympia - Jay Cutler was off, crown has been passed (Read 13188 times)

Alpine · « **on:** September 17, 2011, 03:50:24 PM »

I'm not anti-Jay by any means. I'm about as impartial as they come in terms of who should win, Phil, Kai, whatever. There is no doubt Jay has been a great ambassador for the sport. Much more so than someone like Kai would be. But I think its clear that Jay was most definitely OFF. His body looks tired and is not responding like it used to. The abnormal peak in his double bi leads me to believe that the discoloration "might" have to do with some last minute local injection of synthol gone wrong. Perhaps he nicked a vein and it bled out a bit. The pattern does not look like what a true prior tear/strain causing bruising would resemble. Further, its much too high up on the bicep itself, it usually ends up lower at the joint. You would see residual blood discoloration in the lower forearm as gravity pulled it away (down) from the source (particularly that long ago). This is conspicuously absent in Jay. His left bicep and delt were probably slightly smaller due to some nerve damage issues and he was trying to compensate.

Pics from Prejudging

Discoloration/Bruising

Notice the difference in Bicep Peak

Here, the left shoulder clearly disproportional.

It's a poor showing. If he places too high it will make a mockery of the Olympia and the judging process. Say what you want about Jay, but he does not deserve to go out like this - surrounded in controversy with one of his worst showings. If he places low he will make a comeback but may never regain the thrown. This is still better than being given a political gift and finishing his career surrounded with controversy. He's in bad enough shape that I dont even think they can give this one to him. Phil Heath does look amazing. He has that FRESH look to the muscle that the older pro's lose (even Coleman began too) and amazingly round muscle bellies - a true genetic advantage over almost everyone.

Update: Hany Rombod on Jay's "tear" @ 2:46 http://www.flexonline.com/news/olympia/interview-dennis-james-and-hany-rambod I have to admit, Hany Rambod did a REALLY good job of Damage Control on this. He sounds extremely convincing. Nonetheless, his "guru" speak cant cure the front double bi where Jay's left bi peak is clearly unnatural looking. He may have used synthol to help compensate and balance it out if he truly did partially tear it. Ramrod says 2 weeks ago, Jay says 3. Generally, a damage control plan involves the SAME STORY.

The reason Jay was kissing Phil's ass so long ago was because he recognized the amazingly superior genetic gift he has and knew it was just a matter of time before he took over. Anyone with an eye knew his time was coming. Genetics + Androgens = champions. The training and diet are mere minutia these days. For the most part, they are all doing the same thing.

G_Thang · « **Reply #1 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:54:49 PM »

left shoulder and bicep are done, and he has piss poor generics. there's no comeback for him. but as i said, if he improves tonight, they'll sneak him one for the road.

EwaBeachBoy · « **Reply #2 on:** September 17, 2011, 03:58:12 PM »

I never used to believe people on getbig when they were saying that the reasons why there werent any striation in Jay's biceps was because of oil injections...

Now I believe you guys!

His right shows injection marks as well..its just not bruised.

SF1900 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:02:41 PM »

what a fucking mess.

SF1900 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:03:50 PM »

Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. $:-\$

240 is Back · « **Reply #5 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:06:44 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on September 17, 2011, 04:03:50 PM

Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. $:-\$

It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.

THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.

Biceps strain. End of story.

mesmorph78 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:08:06 PM »

piss poor physique look at that waiste...
if i was a top 10 olympian and the placed that above me... id retire....

Benny B · « **Reply #7 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:09:03 PM »

Dorian Yates stated that he will personally start an English soccer-hooligan style riot if Phil Heath does not win tonight.

viking1 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:11:15 PM »

Quote from: Benny B on September 17, 2011, 04:09:03 PM

Dorian Yates stated that he will personally start an English soccer-hooligan style riot if Phil Heath does not win tonight.

ha ha

"throwing chairs around... English soccer hooligan style" that cracked me up

Alpine · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:11:19 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 17, 2011, 04:06:44 PM

It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.

THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.

Biceps strain. End of story.

Sarcasm noted. You're right, we're just soft, blubbery schmoes sitting at home speculating in the warm glow of our computer monitors. Even if that discoloration is from a 3 week old bicep strain bleed out (physiologically unlikely based on the dissipation & drain pattern), the double bi shot on its own still shows what "seems" to be some clear synthol use. It's no secret all pros use it from time to time to compensate for imbalance or injury. Clearly, his left delt/bi may have been lagging due to some nerve damage.

We have Hernon saying early on it was a shoulder issue. Jay then said it was a biceps STRAIN, 3 weeks ago. Hany said it was a biceps TEAR, 2 weeks ago. Hany's damage control was the best but they need to get their shit straight.

Classic Bicep injury bruising patterns

To keep it in perspective, tons of pros have fucked up and been seen in competition with bad synthol injections.
Here is the potential 202 King himself, Kevin English

Flex

Nasser - Wizard of truth and rear delt injections

LUL - for good measure

Yes, this is our "sport."

jude2 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:12:02 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on September 17, 2011, 04:03:50 PM

Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. $:-\$

Yeah and excatly 2 weeks after it happens.

EwaBeachBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:13:42 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 17, 2011, 04:06:44 PM

It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.

THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.

Biceps strain. End of story.

Yeah we need to believe these pro bodybuilders when they say they got all their mass from Muscle Tech and Super Pump Max!

240 is Back · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:17:15 PM »

in the old days, the magazines would have worked with a BBer's "team" to compose a story about exactly what happened to that arm. MAYBE some evidence would emerge to counter it, but the official story would be the official story.

Imagine if Vince Taylor's "eyeball" incident had happened today?

You know, he was at the show with eye patch, claiming luggage strap hit him in the eye getting off plane. Only later did a pic emerge showing him getting off the plane laughing and certainly without an eye injury. Whether Vince really hurt his eye elsewhere later, or just wore the patch cause he missed his peak and got 6th at the O instead of 1st (helsinki 92, right?)...

Well, whatever really happened, we know his story was bullshit. If it happened today, I don't think he'd tell such a fib. Jay's casual lie has spurned polls all over his home base of MD saying "why is he lying about his shot, does he think we're stupid".

Nirvana · « **Reply #13 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:34:40 PM »

he's still young yet to peak. lot's of improvement to make

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #14 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:36:34 PM »

He looks terrible...Ohhhh wait, "It's Men in Thongs week"

kiwiol · « **Reply #15 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:39:34 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 17, 2011, 04:17:15 PM

in the old days, the magazines would have worked with a BBer's "team" to compose a story about exactly what happened to that arm. MAYBE some evidence would emerge to counter it, but the official story would be the official story.

Imagine if Vince Taylor's "eyeball" incident had happened today?

You know, he was at the show with eye patch, claiming luggage strap hit him in the eye getting off plane. Only later did a pic emerge showing him getting off the plane laughing and certainly without an eye injury. Whether Vince really hurt his eye elsewhere later, or just wore the patch cause he missed his peak and got 6th at the O instead of 1st (helsinki 92, right?)...

Well, whatever really happened, we know his story was bullshit. If it happened today, I don't think he'd tell such a fib. Jay's casual lie has spurned polls all over his home base of MD saying "why is he lying about his shot, does he think we're stupid".

In the old days, the mags were 2-3 months behind contests with their reports, so the truth would come out by the time they had the contest coverage, like with Dorian during the 94 and 97 Olympia, for example.

I'm guessing Jay won't tell us what really happened until after the Olympia, since he probably doesn't want it to affect his placing or the way judges see him now.

kiwiol · « **Reply #16 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:41:12 PM »

Quote from: Doug_Steele on September 17, 2011, 04:36:34 PM

He looks terrible...Ohhhh wait, "It's Men in Thongs week"

Haha what's with your personal text?

MikMaq · « **Reply #17 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:41:41 PM »

Quote from: SF1900 on September 17, 2011, 04:03:50 PM

Funny thing is he said he strained his biceps that is why its bruising. I didnt know a strain made your bicep distorted and odd shaped. $:-\$

Seriously I rolled my ankle last year and it turned my foot purple, with that kind of stuff it ain't the injury that causes the problems it's the insane amount of swelling that goes along with it. Trust me jays iceing that thing ~~like there's no tomorrow~~ like he wasn't already told he won.

SF1900 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:45:16 PM »

Something is fishy here. Sherlock SF1900 is on the move and is going to figure this out. I am going to go undercover as the ultimate schmoe to get insider information about this supposed bicep "tear"

SF1900 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:46:06 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on September 17, 2011, 04:06:44 PM

It's been verified by IFBB Pro Phil Hernon.

THey're pro BBers, and we are not. No sense speculating - these guys know their shit.

Biceps strain. End of story.

Well, if its been verified by an IFBB pro, case closed

apply85 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:49:13 PM »

how can it be a strain, the peak is higher

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #21 on:** September 17, 2011, 04:49:34 PM »

Quote from: kiwiol on September 17, 2011, 04:41:12 PM

Haha what's with your personal text?

What i am saying is, if i knew you or Mr. Nobody killed someone, i would not turn you in.

Alpine · « **Reply #22 on:** September 17, 2011, 05:22:59 PM »

Quote from: MikMaq on September 17, 2011, 04:41:41 PM

Seriously I rolled my ankle last year and it turned my foot purple, with that kind of stuff it ain't the injury that causes the problems it's the insane amount of swelling that goes along with it. Trust me jays iceing that thing ~~like there's no tomorrow~~ like he wasn't already told he won.

Generally, I would have agreed with you that even as amazing as Phil and some of the others look, Jay would have recieved a gift. However, I think hes just too off this time. He has other issues besides the bruising in the bi. The bi issue alone is REALLY a distraction and is going to cause a lot of talking and controversy. I think it will be hard for judging to overlook.

trapz101 · « **Reply #23 on:** September 17, 2011, 05:55:10 PM »

Quote from: viking1 on September 17, 2011, 04:11:15 PM

ha ha

"throwing chairs around... English soccer hooligan style" that cracked me up

video link??

Alpine · « **Reply #24 on:** September 17, 2011, 05:59:53 PM »

Quote from: trapz101 on September 17, 2011, 05:55:10 PM

video link??

Dorian @ http://www.musculardevelopment.com/contests/11-mr-olympia/3604-jay-cutler-interview-after-prejudging-and-wrap-up-with-ray-yates-wheeler-wolf-and-victor.html