Would a 97 Nasser win the 2011 Olympia?

[NarcissisticDeity]

So you think Heath would beat Nasser with ease yet Dorian would beat Heath with ease, even though Nasser and Dorain were pretty close in contest placings during Dorian's last three years?   

Only in your imagination was Dorian and Nasser ever close , there was Dorian and then everyone else. Hero-worship makes you think they were close

I think Nasser would be competitive with Heath ( and most anyone ) from the front , would probably win the standing relaxed from the front , maybe , maybe the front double biceps, he would clearly win the ab-thigh and front latspread , but he would get picked apart in every other pose by Heath

[Bam-bam]

INSANE picture, 90s Nasser had one of the biggest backs in bbing ever, easily

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes he won, but then some schmoes robbed the trophy from him and gave to the one armed man

one arm? 

[Bam-bam]

one arm?  

look I love dorian maybe he is my fav bber even but I dare you to post a Dorian FDB from 97 Mr. O 

[bigbobs]

It's not just about the structure, which doesn't really work against Phil much anyway. There's still the problem of the side and back poses where Phil beats Nasser handily. Overall, it's no contest.

The only pose Phil would decisively win would perhaps be the rear double biceps pose...his lat spread (rear and front) would be too narrow.  Nasser would have him on most/all front and side poses.

[bigbobs]

INSANE picture, 90s Nasser had one of the biggest backs in bbing ever, easily

Exactly, just wasn't as detailed, his back gets over-scrutinized much more than other competitors' flaws.

[Bam-bam]

The only pose Phil would decisively win would perhaps be the rear double biceps pose...his lat spread (rear and front) would be too narrow.  Nasser would have him on most/all front and side poses.

There are other poses where it will be totally Phils, like the side chest. Overall its very hard to tell both are great bbers.

[NarcissisticDeity]

look I love dorian maybe he is my fav bber even but I dare you to post a Dorian FDB from 97 Mr. O 

 

okay , okay he loses this pose , won most of the others

[kiwiol]

The only pose Phil would decisively win would perhaps be the rear double biceps pose...his lat spread (rear and front) would be too narrow.  Nasser would have him on most/all front and side poses.

Nah, Phil would win all the side and back poses. Nasser's back looked wide in the front shots, but from the back it looked like he had a middle weight's back. His RLS wasn't very wide even at 280 lb while Phil's RLS looks bigger than Flex's, which was good enough to beat Nasser.

Like ND said, Nasser would have the front relaxed, FDB, FLS and Abs & thighs. All of the other poses and overall would go to PH.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Exactly, just wasn't as detailed, his back gets over-scrutinized much more than other competitors' flaws.

He's off-season that says nothing about competition , his lats are high , his back maybe wider but that's it , no 3D thickness , no depth , no where near as much size as he needs to match the rest of his physique , no separation , and no details , his back SUCKED badly and it cost him everything

[Big Worm]

yes he won, but then some schmoes robbed the trophy from him and gave to the one armed man

He didn't win shiet..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nah, Phil would win all the side and back poses. Nasser's back looked wide in the front shots, but from the back it looked like he had a middle weight's back. His RLS wasn't very wide even at 280 lb while Phil's RLS looks bigger than Flex's, which was good enough to beat Nasser.

Like ND said, Nasser would have the front relaxed, FDB, FLS and Abs & thighs. All of the other poses and overall would go to PH.

No way is Nasser touching this , mind you Ray is 205lbs and his back smokes Nasser

[Bam-bam]

Exactly, just wasn't as detailed, his back gets over-scrutinized much more than other competitors' flaws.

yes, its like some people dont like nasser and start some campaigns to put the man down. During the 90s Nassers back was top notch. Less detailed than Dorians with less shape than his but still one of the best. Also in some shots, specially FDB Nassers lats look even bigger than Dorians.

And then you have Jay Cutler with ZERO lower back winning olympias and all, religion of peace  

[kiwiol]

No way is Nasser touching this , mind you Ray is 205lbs and his back smokes Nasser

Yep. And I don't think Nasser would dominate the front poses either - it would be fairly close in the FDB & FLS.

[Bam-bam]

okay , okay he loses this pose , won most of the others

actually thats a nice FDB from Dorian, the angle hides the gap in his left arm. Either way Dorian was a stud

[Khofo]

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[Khofo]

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[Khofo]

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[Khofo]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, its like some people dont like nasser and start some campaigns to put the man down. During the 90s Nassers back was top notch. Less detailed than Dorians with less shape than his but still one of the best. Also in some shots, specially FDB Nassers lats look even bigger than Dorians.

And then you have Jay Cutler with ZERO lower back winning olympias and all, religion of peace  

Nasser's back sucked , it sucked on almost every level it has nothing to do with not liking him , he gets credit where credit is due but he gets none for his back

the only thing his back was wide , but it wasn't wider enough for a 285 pound bodybuilder


Start at the top , upper back development traps , his traps were pretty big not on par with Yates or as big and as thick ( when viewed from the back ) as they needed to be for a 285lb guy , they didn't show much depth and separation from the other muscles


Mid-back , teres and infraspinatus , again no depth or great separation between these muscles and no clear-cut separation from the lower-traps ( in the back double biceps shot ) not as thick as they need to be either

Lats , Nasser's lats are flawed because they are high and they almost disappear in the back double biceps shot , they're not in any way shape or form thick enough for a guy his size and weight , they don't match the size of his other parts ( proportion & balance ) and show NO striations or details what so ever , along with no clear distinct sepration from the teres and infraspinatus

Lower back? what lower back? he has no spinal erectors no striated x-mass tree , he pulls his arms back to highlight his lower back detail that doesn't exist

His back as a whole sucks for all of those reasons , he knew it and everyone else did , it cost him the Olympia , his back disappeared from the rear and made him look a lot smaller , his back was not proportionate to the rest of his physique , he was like two different bodybuilders from the front & back


the top pic clearly illustrates everything I just typed

[NarcissisticDeity]

His back was a MAJOR liability and is lacking almost completely , he turns around and he gets obliterated and not just by Dorian , by Flex , Ronnie , Shawn , 


it's staggering how bad his back sucked

[Khofo]

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[Bam-bam]

Holy shit ND stop beating my man Nasser. Yes he had his flaws. Dorian had too, like in his later years no arms, horrible delt delevopment (I remember once a guy posting here some comparison pics from the 95 or 96 Olympia side by side Kevrone SMOKING Dorian in the shoulders deparment) and a huge gut and he always looked kinda of flat on the Olympia stage.

[Khofo]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

Holy shit ND stop beating my man Nasser. Yes he had his flaws. Dorian had too, like in his later years no arms, horrible delt delevopment (I remember once a guy posting here some comparison pics from the 95 or 96 Olympia side by side Kevrone SMOKING Dorian in the shoulders deparment) and a huge gut and he always looked kinda of flat on the Olympia stage.

Not saying Dorian didn't have flaws but his flaws weren't as much as a liability as Nasser's. The back is a huge and complex muscle group and his was not just lacking ( Kevin fits into the category ) but it was a major flaw and if he had a good back he would have been Mr Olympia in 97